Re: [WSG] Client - Site Edits
I find it very disappointing that very few clients really appreciate the amount of hard work that goes into designing and building a site (in my experience). This particular client wants to save a few bucks by maintaining the site herself. She doesn't seem to realize that her time is valuable as well and better used when devoted to her strengths. I think most of us know that we need to call a plumber or electrician as they are "experts" in their fields, and rightly so. Nuff said... Now that I have a realization that I need to incorporate some sort of a CMS solution, can anyone lead me to resources that may help to teach me the ropes? I am leaning towards PHP, as I am somewhat familiar with the language. Thanks. Regards, Kevin. On 7/10/07, Matthew Ohlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Ross wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to find a solution to a nagging problem. Most of my > client's sites are not very dynamic and I update them as the client > requires. Because the updates are very infrequent, I have not been > charging very much for this ongoing support. However, I have a new > client who wants to maintain her own site (one I designed for her). > She is pretty good on the computer, but doesn't really know her way > around HTML or CSS. I am agonizing over how to "pass the torch" over > to her. The site is not extremely complex, but is more than a little > task for someone who does not design web sites. > > I am wondering for advice on this situation and I am also wondering > how others handle ongoing updates after the initial design has been > implemented. > > I am also wondering if a CMS system would, in any way, be a solution > to a situation like this. > > Thanks. Be careful if you don't use a CMS system. I donated a web site for a local organization and it was a beauty...since I no longer had the time to devote to updating I turned it over to a so called 'web designer' in the community (at the recommendation of the executive director). Sadly, he has basically ruined my site because he has no idea what he is doing and has no concept of web standards--or style for that matter. It is a real shame that so many people charge for and design web sites that don't follow any sort of standards. Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Client - Site Edits
Thanks guys... I'm going to see what's happening on the CMS List. Regards... On 7/9/07, Jermayn Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In short yes it would probably be best... I had the same problem with a client and so I gave him the website in WordPress, so now I only do major style/ structure changes and he handles the content changes himself >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/2007 11:36:34 am >>> I am also wondering if a CMS system would, in any way, be a solution to a situation like this. The above message has been scanned and meets the Insurance Commission of Western Australia's Email security policy requirements for outbound transmission. This email (facsimile) and any attachments may be confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (facsimile) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email (facsimile) in error please contact the Insurance Commission. Web: www.icwa.wa.gov.au Phone: +61 08 9264 * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: Client - Site Edits
Hi all, My apologies. I was just re-reading my own posts to this site and had forgotten that I had already asked this question, at least in part. I would still appreciate knowing how others would handle this situation. Regards, On 7/9/07, Kevin Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I am trying to find a solution to a nagging problem. Most of my client's sites are not very dynamic and I update them as the client requires. Because the updates are very infrequent, I have not been charging very much for this ongoing support. However, I have a new client who wants to maintain her own site (one I designed for her). She is pretty good on the computer, but doesn't really know her way around HTML or CSS. I am agonizing over how to "pass the torch" over to her. The site is not extremely complex, but is more than a little task for someone who does not design web sites. I am wondering for advice on this situation and I am also wondering how others handle ongoing updates after the initial design has been implemented. I am also wondering if a CMS system would, in any way, be a solution to a situation like this. Thanks. Regards, *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Client - Site Edits
Hi all, I am trying to find a solution to a nagging problem. Most of my client's sites are not very dynamic and I update them as the client requires. Because the updates are very infrequent, I have not been charging very much for this ongoing support. However, I have a new client who wants to maintain her own site (one I designed for her). She is pretty good on the computer, but doesn't really know her way around HTML or CSS. I am agonizing over how to "pass the torch" over to her. The site is not extremely complex, but is more than a little task for someone who does not design web sites. I am wondering for advice on this situation and I am also wondering how others handle ongoing updates after the initial design has been implemented. I am also wondering if a CMS system would, in any way, be a solution to a situation like this. Thanks. Regards, *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
My apologies to the group... I was not aware of the CMS list. Is there a way to have the entire post, http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg28689.html ported over to the [WSG-CMS] list? Regards, Kevin. On 5/29/07, Nick Gleitzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if you you need to preface a post with, "This is probably OT, but..." then it is. So don't post... Thanks N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Content Management issue ?
Thanks for your input. Regards, Kevin. On 5/28/07, Mark Hedley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Id recommend you look at: Drupal - http://www.drupal.org OpenCMS - http://www.opencms.org TradingEYE CMS - http://www.tradingeye.com There are a lot of other solutions out there but by far these three stick out. Mark Hedley Web Development Manager Mayborn Baby & Child Division http://www.tommeetippee.com Jackel International Limited is a company registered in England & Wales (registered number 1894022). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Sangenic International Limited is a company registered in England & Wales (registered number 1308939). Our registered office is at Dudley Lane, Cramlington, Northumberland, NE23 7RH. Tel (0191) 2501864, Fax (0191) 2501727. Jackel International and Sangenic International are part of the Mayborn Group This transmission and any attachments are confidential and are intended solely for the named addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this transmission and notify us immediately by telephone (0191) 2501864 or by reply. Please then delete this transmission from your system. You should also be aware that all incoming e-mails are monitored for system security purposes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 28 May 2007 16:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Content Management issue ? Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Content Management issue ?
Hi: I have a question which has surfaced due to an upcoming requirement. I have built a web site for a client who now wants to be able to manage the site on her own. She is computer literate, but not a web designer, by any means. I am new to the idea of Content Management systems and am really trying to wrap my brain around what they really do and how to set one up. I guess I am wondering how other designers handle this type of issue? How do you setup clients to manage their own site so they are not having to take a detailed course in Web Design. I hope my concern is understood, as I have been thinking about this issue for a while and have investigated certain software... Joomla, Wordpress... Can anyone lend a hand? Thanks very much... Regards, Kevin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE Reverse Indent ?
Again, gentlemen... Thanks VERY MUCH for your help.Regards,Kevin.On 3/9/06, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:At 08:23 PM 3/8/2006, Ben Buchanan wrote:>That's pretty much the rub of it all, for me! :) If only Microsoft had >created a proprietary comment system for CSS, at least it would have>been useful without so many downsides.That so typifies Microsoft's schizophrenia. They're such a largeorganization, they must have hundreds if not thousands of creative directions happening simultaneously: hordes of brilliant geeks,impossible to wrangle. It's such a shame that they weren't on theweb standards page early enough to foresee the importance ofseparating presentation from content from logic. Convert the latest Word or Excel document to HTML and you'll see the worst practices rampant.Earlier this century I scrambled from the leaky rowboat of ASP ontothe running board of the steam locomotive of ASP.Net, thenimmediately realized I was only penetrating farther into the murky tunnel of death. The .Net technology seemed to merge logic withmarkup and style even more densely than before, keyed particularly toIE's quirks, making it more difficult, not easier, to achieve decentweb standards with Microsoft's proprietary technology. Who knows, perhaps I was short-sighted and those who have plunged deeply into.Net have found ways to separate them cleanly, but I don't for amoment regret my decision to leap from the sinking Microsoft tankerto the skimming PHP skiff. PHP doesn't require clean separation but it sure as hell helps us achieve it.I wonder how our work would be different today if the designers ofCSS had foreseen the chaos that's resulted from our trying to getstyles to work cross-browser. Would they have built browser-version-conditional branching into CSS? I doubtit. Browser-sniffers are only as dependable as the browsers'willingness not to spoof, which is to say not much. And we'd stillbe hacking our way around browsers written early enough not to know how to respond to the conditional branching. Back to square one.It's unnerving to realize that the crazy-quilt world we live in mayactually be the best of all probable worlds.Paul** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] IE Reverse Indent ?
Thank you, Gentlemen, for your help. It is very much appreciated !On the topic of the IE6 specific rules... ... is there a way to put that whole section in my Style sheet file? Or in a seperate file so I can maintain the rules centrally? Regards,Kevin.
On 3/8/06, Jason Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:> > ul a, ul, li, #content_home {height: 1%;} /* Holly hack fix for IE> > bugs */>> That is a bit radical... giving all those element 'layout' can> possibly cause more problems than it fixes.
> In this case:> /* - hide form IE Mac - \*/> * html #content_contain {height:1%}> /* - end hiding - */> ought to do nicely.> (and served only to IE 6 and below. That 3px jog thing is reportedly
> fixed in IE 7 alpha0).Your right Philippe it is radical, I added to styles within IE conditionalcomments that already existed.Philippe has a point about IE7, currently your conditional comments target
all versions of IE and should only need IE6 and below:
[WSG] IE Reverse Indent ?
Hi,I have a question about something IE6 is doing that Firefox1.5 is not. (I know... no surprise !)I have checked, but must have overlooked the solution to this one...On this page... http://www.hudsonantiquecarclub.com/index.htmlIE6 adds an reverse indent just under the header "Monthly Meetings" (Paragraph starting Rudy's...)Is this to do with the thumbnail to the left? Thanks for the help. I really enjoy reading the posts here... very informative !Regards,Kevin.
Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel
Thanks very much for the help.On 2/14/06, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "Kevin Ross"> Just wondering, Al... is the _javascript_ public domain ?The Equal Height column script is and you can read more about it here: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/pvii_columns/index.htmAlso feel free to use and abuse the little min-width expressions inthe Conditional Comments.--Al SparberPVII http://www.projectseven.com"Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumblingmountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge thatrepairs are scheduled for next Tuesday". **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] CSS Holy Gruel
Just wondering, Al... is the _javascript_ public domain ?Thx,KROn 2/14/06, Al Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: "Paul Dwyer" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Wierd...>> killed half my own post with a bracket :)>> The rest should read "validates once it is removed".much appreciated :-) **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Frames ?
Good evening gentleman. I want to thank all of you for your interesting replies to my question. I will gather all of the info and try to come up with an educated reply ! At any rate, there is a lot to think about. My client may not be "dead set" on using frames. I will use the info garnered in this thread to TRY to convince him otherwise. However, I still have a few questions...Isn't using a dynamic frameset, still using frames?What is the advantage, other than being able to place the frame where I want?I am thinking I will suggest that we just open the manufacturer's site in a new window and have that pop-up in a specific location that will allow the logo on the originating page to show on the top left of the screen. I know the user may not have their browser open to full screen and this involves pop-ups, which the user may turn off, but I feel more comfortable with that as opposed to frames. Comments? For what it is worth, I agree with the comments here.My design philosophy is really one in which I want to do the best job for my clients. To do this I feel I must adhere to Web Standards and style sheets. If I cannot dissuade the client from using frames, I really don't feel good about proceeding with this project (it's not a very lucrative one). Appreciate your help very much.Regards,KROn 12/17/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Terrence Wood wrote:> On 17 Dec 2005, at 6:46 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:> >> Terrence Wood wrote:>>> Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using>>> _javascript_ instead of a static page? I'm not sure I understand your question. >> Isn't what the OP is looking for? Being able to link to *and* frame>> other>> web sites? The OP asked if there is a web standards and CSS way to maintain his > clients branding for remote sites, and while recognising that frames> will achieve this wondered if there is an alternative.> The thread has moved on to suggest alternatives to frames in their> entirety given the usability issues of frames, and the ethical issues > around framing content which owned by a third party. The alternatives> revolve around some variation of linking to the site.> You solution is (from my cursory look) a script driven frames> implementation, as opposed to a static file based one, and I > questioned it because it didn't seem to add anything at this point andusually> your contributions are both excellent and timely.IMHO, the fact that this thread has moved on to suggest alternatives may teach the OP something, but does not necessary answer his question. If hisclient is dead on the idea, the OP will have no choice other thanimlplementing a frames solution, [my client] wants the new web page to open up only in the contents area and leave his header and menu intact.Now, I am not a proponent of frames, but this sounds like frames to me. Isthere a way to do this using Web Standards and CSS (my preference) ?I read the above, then skimmed the thread and didn't see one post mentionning the use of a dynamic frameset to avoid building a site withframes. I thought my suggestion was a "variation of linking to the site", an"alternative" that has not been discussed. I'm sorry if this contribution was neither excellent nor timely ;)Best regards,Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] Frames ?
Hi. I am new to the group and have a question.I have a client who wants to set up his business site in such a way that his logo and "business presence" is always maintained when the client visits a link to one of the manufacturers that my client represents. In other words, the site will have a header, a menu on the left and content under the header and to the right of the menu area. When a customer clicks on a link (to a manufacturer site which my client represents) within the content area, he wants the new web page to open up only in the contents area and leave his header and menu intact. Now, I am not a proponent of frames, but this sounds like frames to me. Is there a way to do this using Web Standards and CSS (my preference) ?If so, are there any examples of this out there ?Thanks so much for any help you can give. Regards,KR
