Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-22 Thread Lindsay Evans

On 5/22/07, Parker, Simi (DPS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting service
and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration other than
Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would really
appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly welcome
feedback from Macintosh and Linux users.


Hi Simi,

On the Mac side I don't have anything to add over Nick's observations
(using Safari 2 with Flip4Mac aswell)

On Firefox 2, Windows XP I dont get any media player controls for the
video. Can give you more details tomorrow if you want.

Otherwise (and I hope you're still working on these :p) - the
Conditions of Access page showing up every time I try to access a
stream is pretty annoying, and unnecessary from my knowledge.
Also opening the stream in a new window without warning is a bit annoying.

Oh, and displaying the stream information in a textarea seems like a
bad idea to me.

Otherwise it looks like a very useful service :)

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Re: [WSG] some simple box problems

2007-02-26 Thread Lindsay Evans

On 2/27/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
I havnt been doing my own css for a while-just handing over illustrator
files so Im a bit rusty.
Im not sure whats going on with this simple 2 column fixed with layout.
The problem is the wrapper div is not being expanded by the two nested
columns within it.


Hi Kevin,

Looks like you need to clear the floats:
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html

Not too sure what's happening with the margins, only had a quick look,
maybe try setting margin-top to 0 on the h2 elements.

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Re: [WSG] Testing multiple Flash Player versions...

2006-03-20 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Paul,I use Flash Plugin Switcher:http://www.kewbee.de/produkte/PluginSwitcher.htmlsite is in German, but the help is in English:
http://www.kewbee.de/FlashPluginSwitcher/Help/Macromedia/Adobe have a bunch of old versions of the player available for download which you can use with it:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_14266Hope this helps.On 3/21/06, Paul Collins 
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Hi all

Just wondering if anyone has a clever way of 
testing multiple Flash players on a single machine? Preferably without having to 
uninstall.

If not, does anyone know of a good place to 
download earlier versions?

Cheers,
Paul

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders

2005-11-18 Thread Lindsay Evans
On 11/18/05, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rick Faaberg You have many valid thoughts, and you express them well. :-)So what, most of the ramblings of Geoff and I posted were invalidand badly expressed? ;)
Yes, please validate your next ramble with one of the W3C's online tools please :pI must admit I've been an avid follower of this thread aswell, and if it weren't for you jumping in with my exact same thoughts Patrick, Id've joined in long ago :)
In all seriousness, I see this whole discussion as a Good Thing, and as long as it doesn't sink to the name calling level it should continue for as long as you guys (and anyone else who cares to jump in) have something pertinent  to add.
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Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-20 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Andy,

Site looks great, nice and clean.
And don't listen to any of these 'the font is too big' comments, it's
just about perfect for my aging eyes (great, now I feel old :)

Two things that jumped out at me:
* I kind of expected the entire green background of the navigation items to be clickable, not a biggy though.
* The 'clear' part of the 'clear:left' text in the body seems to jump
out a bit - not neccesarily a bad thing for branding, but it does get a
bit distracting on pages that have it occuring a few times. Maybe
dropping the colour down a notch (to about #333) in the main content
would help.

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Re: [WSG] Body text disappears in IE when window is maximised

2005-08-18 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Paul,

You're talking about the content in the middle column getting chopped
off about half way down?
Try changing div class=cleanernbsp;/div to br class=cleaner /

On 8/18/05, Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now ask the list's help in resolving a very odd and new bug to me. It only
 seems to occur in IE and happens when the window is maximised using the
 browser window's icon.
 
 I'd be very interested in knwoing if anyone else sees this or has a
 solution.

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Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes

2005-07-18 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Sarah,

The easiest way to achieve this is by sticking an ID attribute on your
body elements, eg.
body id=page1
body id=page2

Then targetting it in your CSS like so:
body#page1 {background-color:#fff;}
body#page2 {background-color:#ffc;}

On 7/19/05, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body
 background colors (for different pages) within the same css file.

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Re: [WSG] getting two colums to be of the same height

2005-02-27 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Marco,

Faux Columns http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ are
probably your best bet.


On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:29:24 +0100, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there any cross browser, standards compliant way to get those two
 grey columns to be the same height?
 It would make the whole thing look a lot better. What I'd like is the
 shorter column to have extra empty space
 to fill it up to be just as high as the longer one.

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Re: [WSG] accessible image form buttons

2004-12-16 Thread Lindsay Evans
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:52:15 -0800, Andreas Boehmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What would you recommend is the best way to create a form with a submit
 button made up of text+image? So what I have planned is the word
 Search followed by a little icon. The user can click either of them
 and the form will submit.

I usually just style a normal input type=submit with a background image.
Netscape 4 etc. won't get the image, but it will still work.

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Re: [WSG] Visual rendering in gecko with app/xhtml

2004-12-15 Thread Lindsay Evans
Your two example pages look identical to me.
Running Firefox 1.0 on Windows XP

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:18:49 +0100, JohnyB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It looks that the body style is applied only to the content area, not to
 the whole viewport, as it used to. It can be solved by styling html
 element instead of the body element, but I just want to ask in general -
 is this difference a standard behavior and a standard interpretation of
 the XML parser?

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Re: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT

2004-12-09 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Jonathan,

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:43:28 -0500, Jonathan T. Sage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If anyone has any information on how to fix #2, I'd also love to hear
 it.  Hope this proves to be a good read!

Try removing the CDATA delimeters  adding the XHTML namespace to the
BODYTEXT element:
BODYTEXT xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
h1...

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Re: [WSG] DOM and Standard

2004-12-07 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Berry,

Not really much out there on theory, but Gecko has a pretty compliant
DOM implementation.

The Gecko DOM Reference:
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/

The Mozilla Object Reference:
http://mozref.com/

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:33:27 -0500, berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks, but I already found this link.  What I was looking for was theory.

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Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

2004-11-15 Thread Lindsay Evans
No Flash, works with scripting turned off, text is selectable (yes, I
know you can select the individual sIFR bits, but that just ain't the
same :)), colours, size, etc. are easily manipulated via. CSS,
probably has a better chance of being understood by screenreaders that
are in use today.

I'm sure there are ways around it in sIFR, but from what I can see it
doesn't scale the text according to user font size preferences, or
obey user style sheets.

Plus it just doesn't feel as 'hacky' to me :)

Anyway, it's just an idea, if you want more control over typography,
then go with sIFR (or get Quark  start doing print design :p)

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:38:42 +0100, Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just to be somewhat annoying: what are the advantages of your method
 over sIFR2? Despite (or thanks to) its dependancy on Flash, it has a
 broader support (IE/mac, Opera, Gecko, Safari). If I would be a frantic
 typography guy, I'd use sIFR. ;-)

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Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

2004-11-15 Thread Lindsay Evans
On the topic of CSS versions, this would be *very* invalid under
CSS2.1 as it currently stands, as they've removed @font-face support -
apparently because of a lack of implementations [1]

It *is* fine in CSS3 though, through the web fonts module [2]

1. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Oct/0154.html
2. http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-css3-webfonts-20020802/#referencing


On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:59:09 +1100, Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As Dejan and Christian indicated, the validator automatically assumes
 use of CSS 2.0
 
 However, using the advanced interface allows you to choose which version
 you would like to validate against. In the case of Lindsay's site,
 validating against CSS 3.0 removes some of the errors - the
 pseudo-element such-and-such can't appear here in the context css2
 
 Unfortunately, the validator does not yet offer the option of validating
 against CSS 2.1. Anyone know when this is likely to happen?
 
 Although, I don't believe that would have any effect on use of -moz
 properties anyway


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[WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

2004-11-14 Thread Lindsay Evans
In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him,
I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest  greatest
image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really):
http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/

I'm sure I'm not the first to use it, but I can't find much mention of
it anywhere else, so I might as well get my name on it before Doug
Bowman or someone does :p

Feel free to point out all the flaws, spelling mistakes, ethically
questionable uses of CSS, etc.

Oh, and I launched my new design over the weekend:
http://lindsayevans.com/

Yes, I am well aware of all of the validation errors, each weighs
heavily upon my soul, but I wanted to get it live before I got bored
with it  started redesigning yet again.

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Re: [WSG] The Lindsay Method, version 2

2004-11-14 Thread Lindsay Evans
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:54:36 +, Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You forgot to close the second comment.

Ooops, thanks. Fixed now.
The perils of copy n' paste :p

 Fundamentally though, unless I'm
 missing something: if you have an image with alpha transparency, you get
 duplication (at least in Firefox) . The normal heading is rendered,
 regardless of the font embedding not working (as you also provided
 fallback fonts). Additionally, I seem to be getting the image on its own
 line, and the normal text on the following one. As I said, maybe I'm
 missing something...

Hmm, you're quite right.
It *does* work in Firefox, I must've just left something important
out, probably a height or something along those lines. That's what I
get for throwing things together in a rush :)

I'll fix when I get home.

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Re: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)

2004-10-27 Thread Lindsay Evans
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:32:56 +1000, Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Did I miss anything imprtant?

Yes. A 'z' in:
http://www.mezoblue.com/

:)

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Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links

2004-10-05 Thread Lindsay Evans
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:13:17 +1000, Geoff Deering
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 I think this is a weakness and failing in the CSS spec.  I feel designers
 should be able to assign any (relevant) ASCII character or Special Character
 set to list elements. 

snip/

 They should have added this in the CSS spec. 

They did.
See the :before pseudo element and the content property:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q11
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q12

Of course, certain browsers don't implement these features at all,
which makes them kinda useless in most cases, but they do exist.

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Re: [WSG] forms and SSL

2004-08-11 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Chris,

I just did a quick test using Ethereal http://ethereal.com/, and it
looks like the browser requests the server's certificate, then
encrypts the data that it is sending.

Using Firefox 0.9.3  Internet Explorer 6.

Of course, if you're intending to put this into practice somewhere,
I'd suggest a bit more testing :)

As for your next question, I don't think it's possible to send
cleartext over HTTPS at all. (mind you, I'm not the worlds greatest
authority on HTTPS, so I might be wrong :p)

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:25:13 +1000, Chris Blown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A discussion popped up here recently, and though its not really specific
 to web standards, I still think its worthy of a bit of discussion on the
 list.
 
 If you have a form that is served via standard http with its action set
 to a https server, then one assumes that the UA will send an encrypted
 post request. Or does it?

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RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

2004-06-02 Thread Lindsay Evans
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 Great idea, but i can't get it to work -
 
 Have tried
 
 window.document.childNodes[0].nodeValue = '!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
 -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN \n
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd;';
 
 and similar in ie6, but the document stays in quirks mode.
 
 Any ideas or working examples of a doctype change?

You're able to access the doctype through the document.doctype
attribute, but I'm pretty sure it's read-only :|

 
 Also other browsers are returning the html tag not the doctype as the
 first node in the document. 

As they should.
The doctype isn't a child node of document (IE in quirks mode probably
gets that wrong tho).

Had a quick scout around and found this (French):
http://darkmag.net/darkBlog/index.php/2004/01/06/4-GenerationDePagesWebL
otusNotesConformesAuxStandardsDuW3c

Seems to be something about adding the doctype to the HTTP headers
output by the server, might be of use to you.


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RE: [WSG] quotes on q tag

2004-05-31 Thread Lindsay Evans

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How are people handling putting quotes on q tags?
 I used a quote yesterday and while moz (I think) and Safari both had
 quotes built in, IE did not. Is there a definitive approach?
 I though I might do it manually (and thus reliably), but setting
 q {
   quotes: none;
  }
 didnt seem to affect the compliant browsers.

This works in Firefox 0.8, no idea about other browsers:

q:before, q:after {
content: ;
}

 Lea
 ~ and if anyone can tell me what to call the little blocks of
 text that
 are pulled out and the surrounding paragraph wraps around it,
 I will be
 forever in your debt! Makes googling difficult when you can't remember
 what the silly things are called

Pull quotes?
http://desktoppub.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-pullquote.htm

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RE: [WSG] Correct way to swap style sheets based on Browser?

2004-05-30 Thread Lindsay Evans

There is a good table showing which browsers support which CSS 'hacks'
here:
http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Ryan,
 
 I was not aware of the @import and that it's invisible to NN4
 
 Are there any other browsers its invisible to? Anyone?


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RE: [WSG] Trimming the fat from CSS

2004-04-15 Thread Lindsay Evans

Any web server worth it's salt will gzip compress static files, which makes
trimming all the whitespace a bit pointless. Ditto with any crazy-assed
class naming scheme you come up with to make things smaller.

I learnt most of what I know about HTML, CSS  JS from viewing the source of
pages that had something I thought was cool, so I think it's kinda nice to
make my stuff as readable as possible for anyone doing the same these days.
Also helps when I come back to make changes 6 months later  wonder WTF
things do :)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does everyone else on the list do this?

 For the sake of 11k that is cached on the first page load it seems a
 little drastic. I do programming work as well as markup and the
 indentation/formatting of the code is very important in producing
 readable code. If it was only me looking at the CSS then fine, but in
 a team situation producing CSS formatted like this could make human
 reading a lot harder and thus slow production time.

 I can understand if you use TopStyle to do this automatically but I
 just thought a note of caution/consideration to others reading this
 that may feel it's a thing all good CSS developers must do.

 Personally I'd prefer to leave my CSS formatted as is and shave the
 k's off images used, etc. Then if I need to hand the stylesheets over
 to someone they are more usable.

 Nick

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RE: [WSG] Constructive Criticism please - NOW IN DISCUSSION

2004-04-15 Thread Lindsay Evans

Folks,

Discussion of coding practices is all well  good, but I think it's getting
a bit off topic.

If you'd like to continue the discussion, I've setup a thread in the
discussion room for it:
http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/13.htm

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[WSG] Thursday drinks in Sydney

2004-04-08 Thread Lindsay Evans

Hi everyone,

Due to the lack of a Sydney meeting this evening, a few of us regulars are
planning to hold our own little get-together, discussion will include (among
other things):
 - Just what constitutes a 'standard' drink
 - The accessibility of the bar area
 - Usability of the bathroom facilities

Where: Ship Inn, Circular Quay
(http://www.whereisthepub.org/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=77)
When: 6:30pm, AEDST

If you haven't had the (mis)fortune of meeting anyone from the list before,
then I'll be the one wearing the MXDU 2003 t-shirt  jeans, and most likely
have a pint of Guinness in my hand :)

So if you happen to be in the Sydney CBD this evening, then come and join
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RE: [WSG] New Colour Schemer - draft - any suggestions?

2004-03-30 Thread Lindsay Evans
Michael Kear wrote:
 For my own benefit, I have been developing a colour schemer tool, and
 I've put it on my web site for others to use, comment about, help me
 improve.

Snippety-snip

 http://afpwebworks.com/colourschemer/  is the address. (note the
 Australian COLOUR not the American COLOR)

Looks pretty good to me, Mike.

One thing I'd suggest: make the form method 'get' instead of 'post', that
way people can bookmark, email, etc. the colour scheme easily.

Oh, found a bug, too: if I enter a 3 digit hex code (eg. #333), then I get a
CF error, might be handy for us lazy CSS folk to put shorthand for colours
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RE: [WSG] Dynamically populating stylesheets?

2004-03-09 Thread Lindsay Evans

Seona Bellamy wrote:
 Just to make sure I understand you, Beau, the php code you show is the
 content of that cssmaker.php that you put in the href?

 Not sure if I can duplicate that with CF - it's that header bit
 that is the biggest problem I guess. Does anyone know if there's a
 similar function
 in CF?

Sure, use the cfheader tag:

cfheader name=Content-type value=text/css/

Also, make sure you throw a cfsetting showdebugoutput=no/ so as not to
include all the debugging info.

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RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

2004-03-09 Thread Lindsay Evans

Peter Firminger wrote:
 We could also do other variants:

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snip/
 Is this worth pursuing?

Sounds good to me, although I'd be more in favour of something like:
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 While we're at it...

 Please make sure you free email account doesn't go over quota.
 Please don't ever request read receipts (I get most of them rather
 than you).

Also, please temporarily unsubscribe (or is there a 'nomail' option?) from
the list if you're going to have one of those annoying 'vacation' messages.

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RE: [WSG] IE7 fixes CSS glitches for IE

2004-03-08 Thread Lindsay Evans

Geoff Bowers wrote:
 http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/
 IE7 invokes a DHTML behavior to load and parse all style sheets into
 a form that Explorer can understand. You can then use most CSS2
 selectors without having to resort to CSS hacks.

Certainly interesting, pity it doesn't validate though:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdean.edwards.
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RE: [WSG] Nicely styled Hx tags

2004-03-02 Thread Lindsay Evans

Kay Smoljak wrote:
 does anyone know of  any other resources or great
 examples?

I may be slightly biased, but I think the centre h2  h3 headings
('Weblog' and 'This is a weblog post') on my as yet unfinished redesign look
pretty good:
http://lindsay.f2o.org/stage/layout.html

There might be something good in CSS Zen Garden (http://csszengarden.com/),
although most of them that I could see used images.

If you're only targetting IE, then you could use WEFT to embed your fonts:
(http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/embedding/weft3/default.htm), but
there isn't an equivalent for Gecko-based browsers :|

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RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Lindsay Evans

Universal Head wrote:
 Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise they should be specific to
 each page - I would set them up once and then repeat on every page. 
 
 BTW, is there a site somewhere that describes them all? I have a few
 I use that I only half understand - 'Robots', for example, and
 'MSSmartTagsPreventParsing'  

This page:
http://vancouver-webpages.com/META/
gives a rather lengthy list, including a lot of proprietary stuff.

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RE: [WSG] Validating pages with password protection?

2004-02-18 Thread Lindsay Evans

Justin French wrote:
 On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 07:28  AM, Martin Chapman wrote:

 Doh! That was a bit obvious (except for me!) Thanks Anders!

 A bit obvious, but also ridiculously time consuming on anything more
 than 2 pages :)

You can use wget(http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/wget.html) to automate the
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RE: [WSG] Image replace or ALT text?

2004-02-18 Thread Lindsay Evans

Cameron Adams wrote:
 It reminded me as to a point I'd thought about
 regarding background image replacement. Sure, using a
 ul with visually hidden text and background images for
 navigation is semantically correct, but wasn't it much
 better in the old days when you used an actual image
 with alt text and you knew what something was even
 before it loaded. Especially important for navigation items.

Interesting, I'd never thought of the drawbacks of the various image
replacement techniques in regards to showing text while images load.

Personally, I *hate* having images as navigation items, mostly because if
(when) the navigation changes, you'll need to create new graphics for it. I
usually have a generic background image, with the text part of the nav item
as actual text. Obviously this isn't really an option for headers etc. when
the client wants some particular font for branding purposes or whatever.

As a complete aside - what the hell ever happened to embedded fonts? AFAIK
it's still part of the CSS spec, and IE  NS4 implemented it pretty well,
but Moz seems to have dropped it completely. It seems (to me, anyway) to be
the perfect answer - create a downloadable version of whatever crazy font
you need, control the letter spacing etc. with CSS, add your
gradient/picture of a cat/whatever as a background image, and voila! no need
for any of this other text-hiding craziness.

Anyway, I think you are probably quite right: if you have a dire need for a
bunch of images-as-nav-items, then they would be more usable as images -
definitely less semantically correct, possibly even less accessible, but
more usable nonetheless.

 I'm aware of image replacement techniques that also
 allow you to see text when the image isn't there, but
 they seem very clumsy, so I'm asking whether the old
 skool method's usability outweighs its unfashionable
 unsemanticness.

What are some of these techniques? I don't think I've seen any that do that
around (not that I've looked very hard, mind you :)

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Re: [WSG] Tenth AIMIA Awards announced

2004-02-10 Thread Lindsay Evans
Lindsay Evans wrote:
WSG Awards? :)
Sheesh, didn't notice that TB was still downloading a bunch of emails 
before I replied :|

The Web Standards Awards looks pretty interesting, gives me more 
incentive to get my redesign finished :)

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[WSG] Spot the Error

2004-02-08 Thread Lindsay Evans


The irony is just too much:
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/02/06/spot_the_err/index.php

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RE: [WSG] reply to Safari question

2004-02-04 Thread Lindsay Evans

Nick Lo wrote:
 Here's how to enable it:

 http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030110063041629

 However, before you get too excited it can pretend to be a bunch of
 different browsers merely refers to it's ability to set the User
 Agent HTTP header to say it's another browser. Useful e.g. when online
 banking with a bank that doesn't recognise Safari as a viable browser
 even if it otherwise functions fine. Now you see Safari ...switch...
 now you see Windows MSIE 6.0, etc., type thing.

I'd just like to weigh in here  say that I think doing this is *incredibly*
counter-productive if you don't also complain to the site in question, if
the bank/whatever turns to their stats at the end of the year/month/etc.,
sees that no-one is using opera/safari/whathaveyou, then they are a lot less
likely to take their silly browser detection crap away.

If, however, they have a pile of emails from customers telling them that
they can't get into their site, then they're a lot more likely to make the
change.

That said, it's also handy to get into NYT articles without registering
(hint, GoogleBot doesn't need to register... :)

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RE: [WSG] Shorthand for Borders?

2004-02-01 Thread Lindsay Evans

Stephen wrote:
 Long time listener, first time poster.

Hi Stephen :)

 Is there an easier way (i.e. Shorthand) to declare this type of
 border (for example)?:

 border-top: 1px solid #555;
 border-right: 2px solid #666;
 border-bottom: 3px solid #777;
 border-left: 4px solid #888;

border-style: solid;
border-width: 1px 2px 3px 4px;
border-color: #555 #666 #777 #888;

Is probably as short as it gets.

It'd be cool (though even potentially even more confusing) if you could do
the following:

border: 1px 2px 3px 4px solid #555 #666 #777 #888;

(I'd hate to be the one writing parsing rules for that sucker :p)

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RE: [WSG] Shorthand for Borders?

2004-02-01 Thread Lindsay Evans

russ weakley wrote:
 I was wrong!

Yeah, but don't worry, I won't rub your nose in it :p

 PS. Not supported by IE5/mac, probably others??

The westciv chart gives it the all clear, except for partial support in NS4:
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/browser_support/bg_border_margin
_padding.html

Just for the hell of it, I whipped up a test page
(http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/css/border-color.html), which works fine
in MacIE5 for me.

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RE: [WSG] Standardize - simple explanation of web standards

2004-01-20 Thread Lindsay Evans

Taco Fleur wrote:
 Are you sure this is their live site though? I have the feeling I
 have seen them before a long time ago..

Looks like it's live - it's linked from http://axisfive.net/portfolio.php so
I'd imagine it is :)

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[WSG] XSLT Presentation slides

2004-01-15 Thread Lindsay Evans


Hi all,

If you couldn't make it to the Sydney meeting last night, or were just
interested in seeing the XML  CSS I used for my presentation, then it's
available on my site:

http://lindsay.f2o.org/presentations/xxx/default.xml

Should be viewable in most modern browsers (check out
http://lindsay.f2o.org/experiments/xml+css/ for a list of browsers that
don't support XML+CSS), but to be used as an actual presentation you need to
be using Opera 7.

Also, check out the DTD for my idea on beating email harvesters :)

If you're after more info on XML  XSLT, here are a few good sites:
http://zvon.org/
http://xml.com/
http://ibm.com/developerworks/xml/

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RE: [WSG] Big trouble!

2004-01-12 Thread Lindsay Evans

stuart wrote:
 Can someone with a PC and IE check this site/page for me,
 http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm

Crashes IE 6  5.5 on Windows XP here, no idea why though, sorry. (I just
saved the HTML locally  had a look - everything was okay, so I'd say it's
something in the CSS)

Re. the initial page fulll of text, it's most likely the infamous Flash Of
Unstyled Content bug:
http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp

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RE: [WSG] Small bug

2004-01-05 Thread Lindsay Evans

Universal Head wrote:
 A small bug I can't seem to track down:


 http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/


 There's padding around the nav links that only appears in Mozilla and
 I can't seem to work out why ...

Looks to me like you just need border=0 on the images (or .nav a img
{border: 0;} if you're that way inclined)


 Much obliged y'all. Hey, and work in progress exhibited on this list
 is confidential, right?

Well, considering that the list is archived at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/
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RE: [WSG] Russ strikes again

2003-12-02 Thread Lindsay Evans

Mark Stanton wrote:
 I swear /. is next.
 
 http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2003_12.html#a000259
 
 Can you spell T_tal W_rld D_mination? Well done Russ, keep up the
 mighty fine work. 

heh - Russ Weaklyorial

Still no Russ Method though :)

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RE: [WSG] safari and title attr

2003-11-19 Thread Lindsay Evans

James Ellis wrote:
 Anyone know if there is a reason why the title attr doesn't effect
 some sort of contextual description next to the mouse (e.g a tooltip)
 but plonks it in the status bar instead?

From the horses mouth:
Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a variety
of ways.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#adef-title

Also, Opera 7 displays the title content in the status bar (if you have it
visible)  in a tooltip, which (IMHO) is kinda annoying for links with title
attributes as you have no way of knowing the URL for the link.

I wrote a small rant a while back on how stupid displaying things like this
in the status bar is, it was mainly about displaying information relevant to
menu items though - http://lindsay.f2o.org/blog/read?ObjectID:44; (yes, the
semicolon is important)

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RE: [WSG] OT: multiple IE versions

2003-11-11 Thread Lindsay Evans

James Ellis wrote:
 Hi Ralph

 I think it's the other way round - Safari works off Konquerer.

 I doubt MS would want people to run older versions of their products.
 I think they have enough headaches  keeping Winternet Explorer
 secure..

snip/

 Great website! Wonder why MS has never written a KB article on
 multiple IE

Plus the fact that IE is supposedly so tightly integrated with the operating
system that it can't be a separate product :)

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-204529.html?legacy=cnet

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RE: [WSG] Site check: Listamatic entry (to-be)

2003-11-09 Thread Lindsay Evans

Anton Andreasson wrote:
 I put it together at:
 http://standardice.com/experimental/separatecurrent.html
 ...but I haven't tested in anything more than IE5/Mac or Mozilla
 1.2.1 yet. Could someone please email me an IE/Win report of some
 kind? Browsercam boggs down my modem line and I'm running out of
 unused mail aliases... ;( 

IE 6.0.2, 5.01, 5.5, XP Pro:
 - The 'THREE' part of item three wraps onto the next line on hover

Otherwise all good.

(Damn I love standalone IE :D)

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[WSG] webstandards.to

2003-10-30 Thread Lindsay Evans

http://webstandards.to/

Seems to be a group in Toronto, CA.
A few big names in there, too.

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RE: [WSG] css question and site test on Mac

2003-10-27 Thread Lindsay Evans
 One quick point - unrelated to the alignment issue - is the font family
 declaration:
  { font-family: arial black; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif; }

 Theoretically it is best to put quotes around a font family that includes
 white space. So this would be better:

  {font-family: arial black; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif; }

And, of course, you should remove the semicolon from after arial black,
otherwise the alternate font-families won't get applied at all.


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RE: Descendant Selectors was RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura

2003-10-22 Thread Lindsay Evans

Yeah, I'd tried that before with no luck.

However, I was just fiddling with the code, and for some strange reason it
works.
I think the previous attempt was something like this:
#w a:hover .member

whereas the current one is like so:
#wsg:hover .member {...}
#w a:hover {...}

Bizarre.

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 -Original Message-
 From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2003 9:14 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Descendant Selectors was RE: [WSG] Icon and Aura


 Hi LIndsay

 What about trying  a descendant selector

 E.g I've used
 .blocka .code
 {
  color : #ff;
 }

 .blockb .code
 {
  color : #ff;
 }

 So you could try something like
 #wsg A:hover
 {
  ...
 }

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RE: [WSG] Targeting IE5

2003-10-09 Thread Lindsay Evans

If you're talking about content negotiation in the way I think you are (by
the values passed to the server in the 'Accept' HTTP header) and not by
getting the value of the 'User-Agent' HTTP header, then I'm all for it.

One of my recent thoughts was to check if the UA had 'text/xml' or
'application/xhtml+xml' in the Accept header, and sending them back the
appropriate mime-type for XHTML, while everyone else gets text/html. I'd
even thought of going to the length of using PHP's output buffering to
rewrite the XHTML into HTML4 for the text/html version so that it's totally
valid, but that just seems like way too much work for so little gain :)
(also, the W3C validator doesn't send an Accept header, so it would be
getting HTML4 - still valid, but not exactly ideal to say a site is valid
XHTML then have the W3C say it's HTML4 :))

To me, this doesn't seem like a hack at all, it is exactly what the Accept
header is for - serving up different content types depending on what the
browser (says) it supports.

I'm sure you could also do the same with XML, and either send XML plus a
stylesheet to UAs that support it, and do a server-side transform to HTML
for those that don't (There are probably a number of flaws in this though
(probably the biggest being that you'd have to write two versions of your
presentation code), and I'll be stuufed if I can think of a single reason
*to* do it apart from the 'hey, cool, I can do it' factor)

/me should get back to work now...

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 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Boyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 10:02 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WSG] Targeting IE5


 I would have thought the best way to target a browser (be it IE5 or other)
 was content negotiation. Detect the browser and serve content in the
 appropriate format. Does anyone else get the feeling this technique is
 rarely used whilst cruder methods proliferate?

 IMHO, web servers can do a lot more than just serve files and should be
 exploited for all they are worth - and that's plenty. I feel this
 cornerstone of the web is oft overlooked, much to the detriment of the
 online experience when cruder technologies are called on to compensate.

 Maybe it's just too difficult for developers to get access to webserver
 configuration, or too tedious to produce content in multiple
 formats? Gotta
 weight that against the time and effort we've all invested in workarounds
 and hacks though ... The right tool for the job. One can't solve every
 problem with a hammer.

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RE: [WSG] Vote for Prez + amazing suggestion

2003-10-01 Thread Lindsay Evans

 As a suggestion, why don't we all participate in building an example
 site with all these features?

Sounds good.

I can just imagine all the 'what should be in the h1?' type of arguments,
though :p

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RE: [WSG]Font support chart?

2003-09-30 Thread Lindsay Evans

You can try the Code Style Font Sampler:
http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/index.shtml

'Standard' is a funny term for fonts, too, as things like Office  IE
install heaps of additional fonts.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 11:36 AM
 To: Sydney Web Standards Group
 Subject: [WSG]Font support chart?


 Does anyone know of a font support chart that lists which fonts
 are standard
 on which platforms? Maybe Russ could quickly knock up a Font-o-matic?

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