Re: [WSG] RE: Fonts in MS Publisher compared to onlineRe:
Typography on the web has come a long way, and even more so recently. Check out * Google Font Directory http://code.google.com/webfonts * TypeKit http://typekit.com/ which can be used through Google Font Directory In some cases client may have to pay (TypeKit) but they do have at least have the option of picking a font that is close to what they need. of course client font selection and readability is another issue. cheers Luke On 15/09/2010 10:58 AM, Lyn Smith wrote: But then again, how it displays is dependent on the fonts available on the site visitor's system not what some graphic designer wants. Yes. My client has just asked me to use some weird font I've never heard of! I will try and dissuade him. That's why many graphic designers make poor Web Designers - they can't get their head round the flexibility that needs to be designed into a Website. Its all about compromise! Thanks, Stuart *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] light box issue can you help
not really the right list for such a question. but http://www.google.com.au/search?q=prototype+ie8+lightbox seems to supply plenty of suggestions On 16/07/2010 9:43 AM, Luc wrote: Good evening list, i just received a mail from a member who has troubles mailing to the list so he asked me to post his cry for help: begin mail Hi Everyone, This is my fist post but hope you can help I have a light box running on this page http://www.skyeshopfitters.com/clients.html It isn't running very smoothly in IE8 and am getting the error below: Webpage error details User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; FDM; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Tablet PC 2.0) Timestamp: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:34:49 UTC Message: Array length must be assigned a finite positive number Line: 464 Char: 5 Code: 0 URI: http://www.skyeshopfitters.com/js/prototype.js Here is the code it is talking about: shift: function() { var result = this[0]; for (var i = 0; i this.length - 1; i++) this[i] = this[i + 1]; this.length--; return result; }, This is line 464 of the above code: this[i] = this[i + 1]; Char 5: T Can anyone help Thank You Edward Deane New2excel Logo copy http://www.2excel.com.au/ www.2excel.com.au ede...@2excel.com.au Ph: (08) 8121 7724 Mob: 0488 616 676 Fax: (08) 8268 7718 end mail *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] [Job] Senior Freelance Web Designer | Melbourne
Hi guys, Don't you think you are best to reply off list? You have Julie's email address. And I'm sorry but your future job prospects aren't really web standards. cheers Luke ps I'm interested in long walks on recursive beaches. On 12/07/2010 4:22 PM, Jonathon Ireland wrote: Hello Julie, I too am interested in this opportunity but do not own my own copy of Adobe creative suite. I work with it every day at the Youngstown Vindicator on their website called Vindy.com. And I too work outside of your area. However I do like the idea of working on freelance opportunities. I know how to use Flash, Illustrator, Photoshop, and Dreamweaver. I really enjoy digital design and coding. Thanks, Jonathon Ireland On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Julien Viard | 10collective jul...@10collective.com.au wrote: Small digital agency looking for a top end Digital Designer for freelance projects. Exciting projects Great team and culture Up to $80 per hour My client is a boutique Web Agency that initially specialised in web marketing and SEO. Over the last 12 months, they have grown and evolved into a full service digital agency, offering custom built web solutions and great design. Due to a super busy production schedule and brand new client projects they are looking for a super talented Web Designer to work with them on a freelance basis. This is what we are looking for: Across the board knowledge of the Adobe CS Front-end development skills, CSS, HTML, _javascript_ etc. according to Web standards and best practices Flash animation skills and basic knowledge of Action Script The ability to stay creative but to understand clients’ culture and branding. Amazing communication skills, why is it a good design? Further to this: You love the Creative Suite but sometimes, a good old pencil and a napkin is where you put down your best ideas You have the ability not only to produce great design, but also to explain why it is a good design and articulate how users are going to perceive it The Internet would be a better place if people stopped using IE, but until this happens, you are aware of usability issues and can bring real-world solutions. This is an opportunity to create a long lasting relationship with this agency for a professional freelancer looking for a new gig. They are offering a great hourly rate, some exciting projects to collaborate on and you’ll be happy to learn that this is also an opportunity to drive, direct and own the entire design aspect of these projects. If you believe you are suited for this role, please call Julien on 03 9935 9409 or send your resume and online folio to enquir...@10collective.com.au quoting ref M2135. Julien Viard Consultant ph: 03 9935 9409 m: 0403 648 687 e: jul...@10collective.com.au w: www.10collective.com.au h: Level 2, Suite B, 274 Brunswick St, Fitzroy, VIC 3065 This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org***
Re: [WSG] IE ignores MIME type
Hi, SSI header working on IE8 on Win7, sorry no time to check out other IEs cheers Luke On 12/04/2010 3:53 PM, David Hucklesby wrote: A student at a Web design course asked me how to include a common heading on all his pages without copy and pasting into each. I walked him through the process of making a Server-Side Include. http://webwiz.robinshosting.com/jaime/ This is a demo I made for him. The view source is named with a .txt suffix, and sent as Content Type text/plain. But Internet Explorer, alone among my browsers, insists on displaying the two files containing HTML as if they were text/html. Oddly, IE 7 will display the included file as intended on page refresh. All other IE versions stubbornly refuse. Any ideas how to get IE to play nice, please? Thank you for your time. Cordially, David *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Help!
There's no SUBMIT button on the page!! On 3/02/2010 4:29 PM, Nass Martino - Yehget wrote: The following website uses classic ASP. It was developed about 5 years ago by a programmer that no longer works here. https://www.toastfood.com.au/officecatering/index2.html We have moved it to a new server, and when a customer hits the SUBMIT button when checking out it comes up with an error. Can anyone explain why this error is occurring. Thank you in advance. Nass Yehget Multymedia Sydney Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Luke Hoggett 0419 442 807 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] my site
as interesting as it is... how about you guys communicate off list. On 22/01/2010 12:09 PM, Joseph Taylor wrote: Marvin, As I send over items I notice - for now forget about HTML 4.01 or HTML 5 and stay with XHTML for the moment. Things to fix then get back to me: Inside the div tag with the id of banner_new you have double break tags surrounding both the first level heading and the image. I see the same thing in the navigation area. I'd rather see you use CSS to create those spaces. For the heading element you could use this CSS: div#banner_new h1 { margin: 20px 0; } For the navigation: div#navigation { margin: 20px 0; } This would put a 20 pixel space at the top and bottom of the elements. If you choose to leave the break tags in place (it's your call), you need to add the forward slash prior to closing the tag so they validate. Try those changes and get back to me. Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com On 1/21/10 7:04 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. here's the url to my site i cam currently working on. okay go and read the code. and point out to me what errors i have and how to fix. any advice would be fine. well will work on the index page. and if i can improve it any better as a blind person. let me know. willing to take any advice, or pointers. marvin. http://www.raulferrer.com/joe/html/ *** List Guidelines:http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Luke Hoggett 0419 442 807 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] recovering file replace
Hi, Sorry you lost your file. As a precaution in the future I'd recommend installing some sort of version control e.g. svn can seem a bit daunting to install or overkill for 1-2 people but in the long run it is well worth it. cheers L Nour Alsafar wrote: Hi please if anyone can help me i have replaced my current file when moving it into the folder with an older one, and i don't know how to recover it back, i tried several softwares but none of them are helping me out, i'm so streesed i've been working on this flash files for day and now it's replaced with a very old old vr. please did anyone had the same thing and got their file recoved please help me i'm so desperate for a solution ASAP. Thanks all in advance Let us find your next place for you! Need a place to rent, buy or share? http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Luke Hoggett 0419 442 807 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Styling a hyperlink like a button using CSS
Hi, Search for Sliding Doors button, you'l get heaps of results with a few different implementations. cheers L Caleb Wong wrote: I'm trying to style a hyperlink to look like a button using a sprite image, the button needs to be flexible for different lengths of text. problem with the one i've built, it's not flexible in IE6. Looking for suggestions as to how to better code a button like that. Example: http://www.oonagi.org/button Cheers Caleb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Luke Hoggett 0419 442 807 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Local W3C CSS Validator for Windows
Hi, Try web developer toolbar on Firefox, OS independent otherwise this link may help http://www.google.com.au/search?q=W3C+CSS+Validator+for+Windowsie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-GB:officialclient=firefox-a ciao L Daniel Anderson wrote: Can anyone help me with a good W3C CSS Validator that will run on Windows? Cheers Daniel *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Luke Hoggett 0419 442 807 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Multiple IE's for browser testing
download microsofts Virtual PCs that come with IE6 or IE7. sorry forgotten link, but google is your friend This is the only correct way of getting cross browser testing n one machine. We used to use MultiIE but there are issues ciao L Kristine Cummins wrote: I've recently downloaded IE8 and now my standalone IE7 refuses to work. Anyone else have this issue and have a better way to get IE to cooperate for Webmasters??? I downloaded the standalone at http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE Thanks for your time, Kristine *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Luke Hoggett 0419 442 807 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[Spam] :Re: [WSG] 「Opera」 Perce nt with css
Hi, I'm not sure why Opera rounds like this, personally I've never seen the issue, Just wanted to point out that 12.5% of 4000 == 500 not 320. e.g. 4000 * 12.5 /100 not 4000 / 12.5 cheers Luke 2009/8/5 ピエール・アンリ・ラヴィン yakeson_chih...@yahoo.co.jp Good day, I don't understand the following issue with Opera: Let's set a container to 4000px, and children elements to 12.5% 4000px / 12.5 = 320px. But for Opera, * 12.5px = 12px : I can understand * 12.5% = 12% : I don't understand It works well with recent browsers but Opera is still rounding the result ( % or px or em or whatever ) even if the ratio is pixel right. I understand we could argue for a whole life about how managing '320.5px' for example, but why default Opera is rounded the number before computing the styles ? Thanks for your answers and your feedbacks ピエールランリ -- Power up the Internet with Yahoo! Toolbar. http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/toolbar/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Back to basics!
Hi all, I like http://leftlogic.com/lounge/articles/entity-lookup/ for any entities that I can't remember, and if you're on a Mac there's a widget, and a plugin for Firefox cheers Luke 2009/7/10 designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Hi all, Could anyone tell me where there is information regarding character code 'usage' that is simple. I always use UTF-8 and, e.g., if I want to put a left quote in my text I can use quot; or #8220; Which is recommended? Any help, links etc most welcome. (I have googled, but . . .) Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] SEO - how to upgrade my skills?
HI, The internet is a great resource. You won't get a certificate from it, but you will learn. btw your site has 62 validation errors, even transitional XHTML doesn't like href=http://afpwebworks.com/Index.cfm?pid=25 with no quotes on the attribute. also font id deprecated. Cheers Luke Mike Kear wrote: I'm sorry if this is off topic. I think it crosses over standards because it relates in a way, I hope you'll be a bit forgiving to me. I need to upgrade my Search Engine Optimisation skills. I've had quite good success at getting good rankings for my clients with attention to standards, good practices with design and coding, but I feel I need to know more about SEO and ought to update my skills in this area. I need to learn more about current techniques and become more skilful at the techniques I use. So I'm asking for your advice...What's the best way for me to update SEO skills? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Time For a Table?
Hi, I'd say this is definitely a list of 4 lists. Something such as, ul li h3Web Applications/h3 ul lilink 1/li lilink 2/li /ul /li li h3FLASH/h3 ul lilink 3/li lilink 4/li /ul /li ... /ul Could be suitable, although the h3 could be any other element, or just another list element with a different class providing styling. ciao Luke CK wrote: Hi, Would this group of link listhttp://archive.bushidodeep.com/theme_test/links.html be better served inside a table with headers? I've shied from tables for layout to the point of being unsure when they are needed. According to this article: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/08/13/top-10-css-table-designs/ http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/08/13/top-10-css-table-designs/%20 CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7
HI, What doctype are you using? cheers Luke Stevio wrote: Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it? I am floating a div to the right with a width of 50%. The div to the left has a right margin of 50%. I've put a 1px solid border on both of them. In IE7 there is a gap between them but in Firefox they are right against each other. Go figure? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs
Hi, Make sure your print style sheets are correct. CAn't exactly suggest how wiithout seeing the css and markup though. The other suggested methods all reduce the page to a image and don't retain the content as text. agerasimc...@unioncentral.com wrote: I have a problem converting my web pages, which are CSS driven into PDFs (users usually do Right Click - convert page to PDF) - they need to send those pages for client approval in the PDF format. The pages in PDF display very poorly, not all CSS images are displayed, CSS formatting is completely off... Does anybody have any idea, what's the best approach to tame the CSS pages and convert them to PDF? Thank you! Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology agerasimc...@unioncentral.com (513) 595 -2391 *anthony.hawk...@ssc.govt.nz* Sent by: li...@webstandardsgroup.org 02/01/2009 02:52 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject [WSG] WCAG2.0 summary Hi there - WebAim just released a good summarised guide to WCAG2, a lot easier for the newbie to get their head around. _http://webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist_ cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Safari background image problem with transparent PNGs
Hi From the screen shot why even have the grid on the desk back ground image. Also surely you can structure you markup differently so that you don't have the empty divs used for presentation. e.g #main_content .container could have the background that is currently on the #main_prefix, and #footer could have the bg from #main_suffix Not a good advertisement for a css framework. regards Luke Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Christian Montoya wrote: I am running Safari 3.2.1 on Mac OSX Leopard. I am working on the following page: http://blueprintcss.org/index2.html and I have noticed that when the page loads, the background image is tiled a second time behind the images in the header, creating a noticeable shift. I have posted a screenshot here: http://blueprintcss.org/img/shift-safari.png I've looked around for a possible fix for this but found nothing. It goes away if I use: background-attachment:fixed but that doesn't fit the design I'm trying to make. Any ideas? I don't see the problem in Firefox. Do you specify a background for the header? If so, why? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4
You tell 'em Dyre ;) Dyre Hult wrote: Opera 10 was unveiled already last year and do pass the web standards Acid 3 test. Safari 4 was unveiled this month. Both browsers are still in the dev stage, so I reckon Mr. Andrew Lyle was misinformed. http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/presto-2-2-and-opera-10-a-first-look/ Todd Budnikas wrote: according to Mr. Andrew Lyle: Safari 4 is the first web browser to pass the web standards Acid 3 test which demonstrates how well a browser adheres to CSS, javascript, XML and SVG. So, i'd say it's handling them pretty well :) http://acid3.acidtests.org/ On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Kevin Erickson wrote: Hi, Anyone know about how the new Safari Beta 4 is handling the current standards of the Web? Thanks, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1969 - Release Date: 2/24/2009 6:43 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] a Div tag won't pick up the height of a floated image?
Perhaps google.com might help. Really Brett this list is to discuss web standards, not to provide tutorials for lazy people. On 17/02/2009, at 5:25, Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com wrote: Will a div tag pick up the height of an image that is floated left? I have an image that is floated to the left and an unordered list that I am trying to get to move to the right side of an image, in a horizontal layout...the unordered list (navigation bar) is also in a horizontal line position. I need the navigation to align to the bottom of the image...the image's height is 100px, and the width is 200px...how would I accomplish this? -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] A Semi-Transparent Background Color?
try this one http://www.google.com/search?hl=enrlz=1B3GGGL_enAU252AU254q=semi+transparent+background+color+cssbtnG=Search Brett Patterson wrote: Hi all, I was wondering why there was no implementation to allow a semi-transparent background color using CSS? If there is, is there a link that would point me in the direction to figure out how to go about implementing it on a Web page? -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions
try http://microformats.org/wiki/book-info-formats which suggest you look at http://microformats.org/wiki/citation and go from there, you may have to do little work for the isbn as it isn't in the citation format for good reason, but hey we can't alwasy be given everything on a platter. cheers L Porkandpaws wrote: Hi All I am looking to mark up the following information relating to books Book title Author Cover image ISBN I would like to do this in the most semantic rich way that potentially could be programatically extracted There are no existing microformats suitable for this and I do not know of any drafts. Would anyone care to offer any suggestions Many thanks in anticipation Shaun On 10 Feb 2009, at 21:48, rvalenzu...@mapfreseguros.cl wrote: Dessde el 9 al 27 de Febrero me encontraré de vacaciones. Sus requerimientos relacionados con Soluciones Verticales por favor copiarlos a Natalia Lillo nali...@mapfre.cl Cordialmente, Rubén Valenzuela T. Jefe de proyectos soluciones verticales *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing
Parallels Henrik Madsen wrote: Hi all, I'm wrapping up a Government agency website. They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless; others very valid - but no problem. Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner. http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php And our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A could apparently be improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and listenability. Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)? TIA. Henrik Henrik Madsen *Generator* hen...@igenerator.com.au mailto:hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au http://www.igenerator.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(
Which site? James Jeffery wrote: Big company, worldwide infact. A great one for the resume but I failed it. I was brought in at the end of the project to fix some bugs. Let me just say that from viewing the source it was majorly flawed! I spent 6 hours on it before handing in the towel right near their deadline. The CSS was unstructured, way to much repetition which was the cause of some bugs and errors. The only way out of that was to rewrite the whole lot. I mean the guys who were on this project were creating empty spans with classes to push elements along a page (like spacers). They had an empty h1 with a span inside it for the logo they placed in using CSS ... that was only a part of the issue. I don't question my knowledge. It's up to par and I have completed a number of jobs, but on this occasion I sucked ... or they sucked ... or both. This website will be released to the world, and millions will use it, but its awfully constructed, not semantic at all and its another case of a poor website on the web. Ah well. Lesson learn't. Never jump into a project at the last minute to be relied upon for a couple of pennies. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com
Hi, Just tabbed through the page and the login form are the very last elements on the page to be hit, needs a lower tab-index, not very nice in terms of accessibility. cheers Luke Stewart Griffiths wrote: Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o) Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on finding that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you state this is due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on that going forward. WE will look at the typography we are using and look to make it consistent across the site, the background gradiants and the nav icons we will again look at updating. Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff. Stew 2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com mailto:bhawkesle...@googlemail.com On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. Hmm. Just looked at the homepage. Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum. More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic. Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Checking My Page
Hi Marvin, Wow a flash back to web design circa 1997. Well it does pass XHTML transitional, so plus there. In terms of css errors well you really shouldn't be placing styling information in id attributes i.e. id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; Your positioning breaks (text and images in the wrong places) when the window is resized. Frankly I haven't seen such a bad design in years, the only way you could make it better is to add this style to the css * |{text-decoration: blink}| || |Check out some css gallery sites for better design ideas. Do the original design as an image in Photoshop or similar, then cut up the xhtml and css working from your design.| || |Also this isn't a help desk | List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm |best regards Luke |||Marvin Hunkin wrote: Hi. Thanks to Mark Harris, he put my files up on his server. so, will post the url for feedback. the main problem, i have is the styles.css and the navlinks.css. so can people take a look, and show me how to fix some of the errors in the css sheets i have. and also general feedback, not so much on content, pretty happy with the content and the message. now, formatting, colours, background, etc. all comments, suggestions, and complaints are welcome. cheers Marvin. ps: so here's the url to the site. http://tracs.co.nz/marvin/ E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Fonts
Hi, Do you have the fonts on your computer? You don't give us enough information to answer your question. What type of computer are you using? also google is you friend, this isn't really a help-list List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm cheers L Marvin Hunkin wrote: Hi. got a site i am developing on my local hard disk. and got the following fonts in the css, Arial, Century School book, Georgia, comic sams, and also need the fonts which i have not got western and system. now just had a look at my page, and some o ff my pages, and only showing school book century? why and how can i display the other fonts on my site? and if i have not got them, how can i get them? really strange and annoying. can anyone help. cheers Marvin. ps: and yeah, also want to use verdanna as well. E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Fighting with IE
hi, firstly List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm this isn't really a helpdesk secondly as you want the anchor to be displayed as block you might want to give it some height and width. cheers Luke Laert Jansen wrote: It didn´t work. :( *Instead of:* .project:hover{background-color:#D1D1D1;} * I have:* .project a:hover { background-color: #D1D1D1; } .project a { display: block; } It´s correct right? not only it didn´t work in IE but the FF´s over stopped working. Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:02:15 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fighting with IE Well, your current code is: div class=project a title=Concept and design for Maharaja India - January 2008 rel=lightbox[all] href=works/maharaja.jpg style= img src=thumbs/maharaja.jpg / /a /div To get a hover working in IE6, you'd need to change your CSS like so: .project:hover{background-color:#D1D1D1;} becomes .project a:hover { background-color: #D1D1D1; } and add a rule: .project a { display: block; } See how that goes. - James On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey James, Thanks a lot. I´m reading the article now. Is there a problem to ask you how should I use this anchors stuff? Laert Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:16:39 +1100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fighting with IE Hi Laert, I don't have IE6 on this machine, but looking at your CSS I can see that you are attempting to apply the :hover pseudo-class to a a DIV (div.project). Normally this would be fine, But IE6 does not support :hover on any element other than an a anchor. My recommendation would be to change those DIVs to anchors, give them display: block; float: left; or however you want to do it. With regard to div.hr, I would recommend instead using an actual hr element and applying some CSS to it. HR styling can be a bit fiddly at times, but this article seems to cover it all nicely: http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/hr.html - James PS: Hi WSG, I'm new :) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I´m looking for some help cause I´ve been fighting with IE here. I´m bulding a new lightbox portfolio and it looks good on FF but terrible on IE 6. The over state of the squares is not working(IE6). Also I built some lines with /div class=hr/div/ but don´t think that´s correct since it´s looking different in IE6. The last problem I got is the space between the lines on the top´s text. It´s different from IE6 and IE 7 to FF. My portfolio is : http://www.laertjansen.com/version02/ The CSS is: body{margin:0; padding:0; background:#000 url(../images/bg2.gif) repeat scroll; font-family:Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif; /*width:100%; /*display: table;*/ font-size:small;} #wrapper{background:#000 url(../images/background.jpg) no-repeat scroll center top; margin:5px 5px 5px 5px; padding-top:5px;} #logo{margin:30px 0 10px 35px;} #bio{margin:15px 0 18px 35px;} #info p{font-size:92%; line-height:0.44; color:#696969;} #info p span{background:#000; border-bottom:1px solid #00ADF7;} #title{margin:15px 0 15px 35px;} a{color:#fff; text-decoration:none;} a:hover{color:#00ADF7; text-decoration:none;} img{border:0;} #portfolio{margin:15px 0 15px 35px;} .cleaner{height:1px; font-size:1px; line-height:1px; clear:both;} .square{width:190px; float:left; /*display:inline;*/ margin:0 5px 5px 0;} .project{padding:5px 5px 5px 5px; background-color:#1E1D23;} .project2{padding:5px 5px 5px 5px; background-color:#1E1D23; display:none;} .project:hover{background-color:#D1D1D1;} .text span{display:block; color:#696969; font-weight:bold;} .text{padding:6px; background-color:#0c0c0c; margin-top:0; font-size:11px; color:#424242; line-height:135%;} #footer{font-size:11px; color:#696969; margin-top:15px; padding-left:35px; padding-bottom:15px;} .hr{color:#252525; background-color:#252525; height:1px; /*width:auto;*/ margin-left:35px; margin-right:4.2%;} I really appreciate any help. thank you very very much in advance. Conheça já o Windows Live Spaces, o site de relacionamentos do Messenger! Crie já o seu! *** List
Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Hi Brett, Where have you been, this is a very important very current issue facing anyone involved in web based industries. ciao L Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - *From:* GetUp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:17 PM *Subject:* The Great Firewall of Australia http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to *tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy*: *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. *This proposed internet censorship does neither.* Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. *Click here to save the net.* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to *help fund GetUp's work*, please *donate now! https://www.getup.org.au/donate/?dc=564,324731,1* If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au http://www.getup.org.au?dc=564,324731,1. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here http://www.getup.org.au/pages/emailunsub?dc=564,324731,1. Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000tracking No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines:
Re: [WSG] XHTML Standard question
Hi, What was the poll and are the results publicly available? There is a difference in asking if a user would like to have javascript turned off and them actually having it turned off, check: http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2008/November/javas.php only 6% have it off, and many of these will be down to their browser not supporting js (phones and older browsers). You do use server side validation on all forms, in addition to any js... right? cheers Luke Brett Patterson wrote: I know that most, if not possible to say all, Web page designers use JavaScript for form validation. During a recent poll done by a few local colleges, 41.2% of the people who responded stated that they would rather not have to enable JavaScript, but on rare occasion they do for certain sites that require JS for use of their forms to buy or sign up for something. After reading this, I did some research, and could not find any tag attributes for form elements that would not require the use JS for form validation. Therefore, I was wondering if it would be feasible to include a standard that would use a syntax similar (does not actually *have* to be this way) to selected=selected? In which case, the syntax would be required=required. Or, if it is an email input (i.e. Your e-mail address:input type=text required=required; include:@ /). -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Another Question about JavaScript.
List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm try http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+helpsourceid=navclient-ffie=UTF-8rlz=1B3GGGL_enAU252AU254 the list is Web Standards not a help desk. Brett Patterson wrote: I hate to ask another question about JavaScript, but I need help with ONE more thing, please? *Using the following JS code in XHTML Transitional:* function proc() { var num = document.heartSearch.hsQty.value*8.95; document.hSearchoutput.hsTotal.value = r2(num); } function prc2() { var num = document.youKnow.cutSandHours.value*12.17; document.outme.soter.value = r2(num); } function r2(n) { ans = n * 1000; ans = Math.round(ans /10) + ; while (ans.length 3) {ans = 0 + ans;} len = ans.length; ans = ans.substring(0,len-2) + . + ans.substring(len-2,len); return ans; } *and the following HTML code in XHTML Transitional:* div id=oklastone form action= name=heartSearch select name=hsQty id=hsQty onchange=proc() option value=00/option option value=33/option /select /form /div div id=otherrecal form action= name=hSearchoutput input type=text name=hsTotal id=hsTotal value=0.00 / /form /div div id=meinga form action= name=youKnow select name=cutSandHours id=cutSandHours onchange=prc2() option value=11/option option value=55/option option value=66/option /select /div div id=noca form action= name=outme input type=text name=soter id=soter value=0.00 / /form /div div id=costana form action= name=costAndTtl input type=text name=TtlCost / /form /div How would I get the last form to show the SUM of both the id=hsTotal and the id=soter text fields? -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Question on servers and Email campaign
Hmm, strange that they could not write software that either: a) could be installed with out requiring root access, say a restricted user account specifically for this software or b) they can't provide you with instructions how to do it yourself. Luke Graphics Web Designing, LLC wrote: I am sorry to ask this question but I am very curious as to how others feel about this. I have a client that is purchasing E-mail listings from a company called expedia mail and I Was called and asked for my server's root access information so that they can download their Software onto my server for my clients email campaign. I refuse to give anyone access to MY server let alone my root access. Am I being rude and uncooperative on this or am I right? According to the lady I spoke with she claims that I am uncooperative and that they have many Companies give out there root access information to their servers. I just can NOT put my other clients at risk and give some other company access to my server Where they have full access to my server and all of my clients and my servers information and in Addition they can do as they please once I give them my root access information. Again, I would like to thank all for reading this post and I do hope this is not against WSG standards. But I am really needing confirmation that I am not losing it and that I was right in protecting My clients as well as my server. Sherri Graphic’s Web Designing, LLC (941)876-4609 (941)889-8336 Cell Have a great day. http://www.webgraphicdesigning.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS and printing absolute units
Hi, Try using picas (pc) or points (pt). I haven't had this problem before myself, but I believe that it may be caused by the fact that printers have no concept of what a cm or mm is. A good description of pc and pt is at http://www.guistuff.com/css/css_units.html (down the page a bit) cheers L nedlud wrote: I need to write a print style sheet and have a particular element on the page print at a specific absolute size (85mm by 35mm). I've set the size using the mm units in the style sheet, but the element is printing at 65mm wide. From what I can see, mm (and cm) are well supported measurements in different browsers, but the results I'm getting in print are not what I need. Does anyone have any advice on how I can get the area to print at the right size? Or am I doomed to failure due to different users printers probably giving different results anyway? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] need to get a negative margin working
Hi, Try swapping the order of the h2 and anchor to start with, the solution will be a lot easier. L kevin mcmonagle wrote: div id=leftcol a href=# h2 class=cosanhead *(I need this heading to have a negative left margin over the leftcol div but it wont budge)* /h2 /a .. /div heres the css : a:link h2.cosanhead { height:90px; margin-left:-57px; width:150px; background-image:url(cosanlogodormant.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat; border:0px solid black; } a:hover h2.cosanhead, h2.cosanheadactive { background-image: url(../images/cosanlogo.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat; border:0px solid white; } is it something about it not being block level? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS invisible to IE
Hi, This list isn't really a help desk. For such things Google is your friend. Anyway, there are various methods/hacks available. My preference is to use child selectors eg #container .something { /* this will be used in ie6 */ } #container .something { /* this will be used in firefox and ie7 and safari etc*/ } the order is important if you want ONLY FF to have the rule applied (I cannot imagine why) try using some of the -moz attributes that may be applicable Regards L Fuji kusaka wrote: Is there any way to code css (not conditional inline css), so that the CSS apply online to FF? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please
Indeed, as Alan Kay inventor of Smalltalk and OOP said I invented the term Object-Oriented, and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind. cheers L liorean wrote: 2008/10/24 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The language itself is NOT object-orientated, its proto-type based. It can be used in an OOP fashion, but this is not true Object Orientation as it is in languages such as C++. Two serious problems with this statement: First, the prototype system is in fact one of several ways of implementing inheritance in OOP languages. Second, you're assuming C++ is object oriented. It's one of several languages that is known to be OOP by programmers while in actuality it's core is not OOP. Sure, it's possible to use C++ for object oriented programming, but C++ allows doing things that actually break object orientation. You can't do that in more OOP languages, for example JavaScript. C++ and Java are known as object oriented languages, but they are not the ultimate in object orientation. There are plenty of languages that are more object oriented. But they use classical inheritance, and because JavaScript does not some people have got into their heads that Classical inheritance == OOP which means JavaScritp != OOP. But that's a misconception. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please
I once heard javascript described: javascript is a flower in a garden full of weeds or was it javascript is a weed in a garden full of flowers tel your co-arguer one of those and you'll win hands down. Regards. Luke Brett Patterson wrote: Well, I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype-based_programming and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-based_languages , and I see your points. But, for arguments sake, let's say it is not prototype-based. Would it be object-oriented, like Java or C++, or object-based? I read these as well: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-based and * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Object-based_programming_languages What's worst is is that now I am confused. This seems too contradictory, based on the articles linked. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Uppercase Tag Names
Write you markup in lowercase then parse it with a regex into uppercase before you hand it in. Really the uppercase is fine just bad style especially if you're moving on to XHTML. On 26/09/2008, at 21:38, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am at university at the moment, and they said to use uppercase text for tag names and lowercase for attributes. I have to do it because otherwise I will lose a mark. I disagreed (because it makes the source hard to read) but he said you need to so that you can conform to HTML 4.01. I think this a case of someone reading far to deep into the specs. I didn't really want to argue with him because he assumes I know nothing. I do know that the source code has become difficult to read using that method. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] doctype validation and jello layout in ie issues
Hi, the doctype belongs outside the html and head tags. also you probably won't get it to validate with p tags wrapped around individual elements of a definition list cheers Luke kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hi im developing a site and have a couple problems. www.pattersonskitchens.ie First I cant get the doctype to validate, not sure why 2nd: cant get the expanding/repeating background div on left hand side to work in ie. theres a few other issues but these are the two that have me stuck. -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] 100% height over existing page
Depending on what/whether you're using anything server side, just set a session variable that records whether the person has agreed to the terms, do this across every page and no worries for Google or any other entry that doesn't come from the front page. regards Luke Seona Bellamy wrote: Hmm... not really an option here. It needs to have the potential to appear on any page, so that if someone finds an internal page through Google or gets a link sent to them by a friend, they still see the disclaimer / warning. At the moment I've sort of solved the problem for users with JS - if the disclaimer is showing, I set the body's overflow to hidden so you can't scroll. It still means that non-JS users get that ugly cut-off, though. I'll live with it if I have to, but would certainly prefer not to have to. :) Cheers, Seona. 2008/7/31 Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The easiest way would be to have an entry page instead. On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Seona Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had no trouble making the div that sits on top of everything extend to the height of the viewport, but if the page extends beyond that then you see normal (and clickable) page as soon as you scroll. Don't want that, if possible. Does anyone have any idea of the most reasonable way to do this? I want to try and give the full experience to as many as possible. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] 100% height over existing page
Doesn't have to be a separate divert page, you can just use the session variable to decided whether the overlay element is displayed on each page regards Luke Seona Bellamy wrote: What, and divert them to the agreement page if they'rve not agreed? Hmm... not sure that I'll get the go-ahead to do that. We're working to some fairly tight design requirements. I've already got it saving the session variable once they agree, so that they only get bothered once. Cheers, Seona. 2008/7/31 Luke Hoggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Depending on what/whether you're using anything server side, just set a session variable that records whether the person has agreed to the terms, do this across every page and no worries for Google or any other entry that doesn't come from the front page. regards Luke *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] 100% height over existing page
exactly, I realise now that this was implicit in my reply, rather than explicit. I bow to Tony as a better communicator than I. regards Luke Seona Bellamy wrote: You know, that's a very good point... putting it inside the if-block so that it only runs on pages where the message is showing. Tony, you're a legend. :) Thanks. 2008/7/31 Tony McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But that doesn't stop you from adding more css in the markup for this feature, to override the default styles. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:09:30 +0400 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] 100% height over existing page no JS - no decision ;) 2008/7/31 Tony McNulty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, What about just making it the size of the viewport, and stopping scrolling? Maybe an overflow: hidden on the body? Cheers, Tony -Original Message- From: Seona Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] 100% height over existing page That's already what I'm doing. Not the problem here, though. The issue isn't whether the overlay and disclaimer appear - I have that bit working just fine. The issue is making the overlay extend all the way to the bottom of the page if the page is longer than the viewport. Cheers, Seona. 2008/7/31 Luke Hoggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Doesn't have to be a separate divert page, you can just use the session variable to decided whether the overlay element is displayed on each page regards Luke Seona Bellamy wrote: What, and divert them to the agreement page if they'rve not agreed? Hmm... not sure that I'll get the go-ahead to do that. We're working to some fairly tight design requirements. I've already got it saving the session variable once they agree, so that they only get bothered once. Cheers, Seona. 2008/7/31 Luke Hoggett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Depending on what/whether you're using anything server side, just set a session variable that records whether the person has agreed to the terms, do this across every page and no worries for Google or any other entry that doesn't come from the front page. regards Luke *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Css validation
hi, not sure what's going on in your CSS exactly. but behavior is non-standard, it's a microsoft thing. with that png fix I don't think you'll ever get it to validate but I could be wrong. what's the hash (#) in front of min-height, is min-height an id? and which element or selector is it applied to. maybe we would have abetter idea of what's going on if you posted more of the CSS Fuji kusaka wrote: Ive use #min-height:300px !important; *html #mainContent{ behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important; but cant get those validation.. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, sundar [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking some of these types like _ and * for IE versions. Those _ * will show errors when you validate, better option to use conditional comments Sundar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Sundar *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?
Hi Lyn, As mentioned make sure you are using the description meta with appropriate tags. Also make sure that the page title above the menu bar is sufficiently detailed e.g. Artist Name - Image Name c Image replacement on the site title is a good idea, just offset the html text sufficiently that it's not seen in the browser window. Then you have the painting title make sure you use H1s for those and do the image replacement thing as well. And as you said make sure the alt text is accurate. Luke Lynette Smith wrote: I am about to start a site that is going to be basically several image gallery site pages. My client is an artist. I asked for some text for the site but she doesn't want clutter. She asked: how does it work with key words I realise i have not included many. are they necessary these days and if so can they be incorporated to suit search engines without visually disturbing the presentation. She basically wants the website to look the same as the Power Point Presentation which is what I am working from. The problem is that what text there is - site title and subtitle, navigation menu names and individual painting titles- is in a very obscure font Andy that seems to be obsolete. A quick search of the web revealed it was used in several programmes late 80's/early 90's and doesn't seem to be available as a free download. I asked if I could change the font but apparently all her printed matter is in this particular font so she wants to use it on the website. I can use image replacement for the title but I would really like to use a standard font for the rest. I suppose I will have to rely on ALT text. Is there anything else I should consider? Thanks. Lyn Western Web Design Perth WA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
Firebug (1.20b3 seems stable) and web developer toolbar both are now compatible with FF3. Make sure you get the versions from the Mozilla Add-ons pages as these are currently the most up to date. On a PC if you need to run both FF3and FF2 you can run the portable versions of either of them from http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable.%3C/p check the bottom of the page for FF2 links. On a mac do a search for portable or standalone firefox and there are instructions around showing you how to set up a second profile so that they don't interfere with each other. Jason Grant wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com/semantix http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Operation Aborted: IE
Hi All, My first post. Which IE, when I open it in IE6 I don't get the same error. But I do get 'Builder' is undefined. Hope this helps. Luke Hoggett. Olajide Olaolorun wrote: When i open http://www.rockondude.net in IE, i get an Operation Aborted Error? Why is that? It used to work before... Can anyone help me check this out please? Thanks. -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun ### Personal: http://www.olajideolaolorun.com RoD: http://www.rockondude.net Business: http://www.tripleo.biz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Operation Aborted: IE
Hi, Actually my bad, didn't click through past the splash screen, http://www.rockondude.net/index.php does indeed produce an Operation Aborted Error The below link may help you out http://weblogs.asp.net/infinitiesloop/archive/2006/11/02/Dealing-with-IE-_2600_quot_3B00_Operation-Aborted_2600_quot_3B002E00_-Or_2C00_-how-to-Crash-IE.aspx Olajide Olaolorun wrote: When i open http://www.rockondude.net in IE, i get an Operation Aborted Error? Why is that? It used to work before... Can anyone help me check this out please? Thanks. -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun ### Personal: http://www.olajideolaolorun.com RoD: http://www.rockondude.net Business: http://www.tripleo.biz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***