Re: [WSG] Keyboard Tabbing no longer working in FF v11/Mac

2012-04-02 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:22 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can anyone please confirm.

 http://jsbin.com/inayes/2

Tabbing through the links on a page works fine for me on FF11/Mac,
both on your example page and on Facebook.com. I've never altered the
default accessibility settings.

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Re: [WSG] Using ellipsis to indicate truncated overflow content

2011-11-14 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Grant Bailey
grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 Is anyone able to offer suggestions as to how demonstrate to the user that
 overflow content has been truncated, like this (see attachment).

text-overflow: ellipsis?

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/textoverflow.html

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Re: [WSG] Desktop. Tablet. Mobile.

2011-05-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:28 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh do you want it HTML5? That will be 20% extra fee sir. ( the iwe
 designeri does is change the doctype).

Of course not - apparently just adding a gradient is enough to
catapult any web design into the stratosphere...

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Re: [WSG] Korean fonts

2010-07-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Brett Goulder brett.goul...@gmail.comwrote:

 font-family:돋움, Dotum, sans-serif;
 This should work, this is from Cyworld.


^^^ This. It's what we use for our Korean site; when we put it on I did a
little research on the top Korean sites, and those selections (the first one
is 'Dotum' in Korean) are common across many of the top Korean-language
websites.

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Re: [WSG] RE: Poetry needing block format but with line-breaks

2010-02-17 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown susi...@uq.edu.auwrote:

  Oh, thanks Jens – I forgot about that option!! I’ll give it a go .

 And Brad – yes I am using the br / tag, but that stops it being
 block-formatted ...


I did some work for a poetry trust recently, and I set up two different
templates for displaying poems. One allowed for line breaks (so lines would
break correctly), and the other one used pre to preserve formatting for
poems where the shape of the text was important.

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Re: [WSG] e-mail link

2010-02-01 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:

 what is the correct code for the subject line to appear in e-mail.
 please let me know.


Hi Marvin,

To include the email subject in a link, the code should be like this:

a href=mailto:st...@apple.com?subject=nice iPadSend email/a

You can also include cc and body information in there too.

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter!

2010-01-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote:

 @Thierry
 I don't see how breaking a wrist has much to do with accessibility?


Broken wrist = inability to use a mouse. If your site/intranet/app is not
keyboard-accessible, how is that person supposed to use it?

Now you've exposed your naivety, I suggest you let the good people of this
thread educate you so you can create better work in the future. :)

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Re: [WSG] How to resolve z-index problem for select box in IE 6

2010-01-27 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Brajesh Patel brajeshpate...@gmail.comwrote:

 I am getting Z-index problem in IE 6.
 back ground select box are displaying on the popup when popup appear


It's nothing to do with z-index. Select dropdowns are rendered by the
browser's internal system last (as they are system controls), so they don't
respect the stacking order. Google for something like ie6 select iframe
for details of how to fix it with a positioned iframe (as they are the only
element that will cover up a select).

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Re: [WSG] css tutorial

2010-01-15 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote:

   Every other discussion group I participate in regards clagnut
   with derision.

   There is no good reason for anything other than font-size: 100%.


That's not an explanation. ALA published a follow-up by Richard on the same
topic, do they not know what they're talking about either?

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Re: [WSG] css tutorial

2010-01-14 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson ch...@cfajohnson.comwrote:

   I find it hard to take it seriously when it has
   body { font-size:62.5%; } in http://dev.opera.com/css/screen.css


If you're going to snipe, it's a good idea to provide an explanation and say
why you think something is a bad idea.

http://www.clagnut.com/blog/348/

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Re: [WSG] wrap in print

2009-10-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Naveen Bhaskar naveenbhas...@live.inwrote:

 Is there any way to wrap the  text around an image  while printing. my
 structure is like this


You mean you want to float the image? Or something more complicated? You
can't wrap text completely around an image (i.e. all four sides).

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Re: [WSG] elasticity and floats

2009-10-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
 wrote:

  I want to make a banner/masthead with 4 divs. Nos 1,2 and 4 are fixed
 width
 and I want div 3 to be flexible width and fill the gap:


Have you tried here?

http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/

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Re: [WSG] mouse rollovers how to fix them

2009-09-18 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:

 for the fruit shop site.
 still want to keep the menus.
 and now was told that the mouse rollovers are not working.
 so how to fix them.


We don't all keep a record of all your links. ;) Can you provide a URL?

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Re: [WSG] Fwd: Auction Auto Bidder

2009-09-14 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Mohamed Shamveel sham...@gmail.com wrote:


 Please send this massage to all your members.


Massages over the internet, now there's a way to really make money online...

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Re: [WSG] Looking For Images

2009-08-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.comwrote:

 looking for the following images.


Sorry, I only have image001.gif and image003.gif. If I find image002.gif
I'll pop it in the post straight away. :)

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Re: [WSG] Outlook 2010

2009-06-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Joshua Street josh.str...@gmail.comwrote:

 We have a problem! Outlook 2010, according to Campaign Monitor [1], is
 going to continue to use the crippled MS Word layout engine. FixOutlook.org
 aims to collate the community's discontent with this decision using Twitter
 to change Microsoft's policy decision on this one before it's too late and
 we're stuck with yet another five-ten years of inferior email authoring!


This is so stupid - the reason that Outlook uses Word instead of a decent
rendering engine is because of the same standards advocates complaining so
much about IE6 being bundled with Windows! You can't have your cake and eat
it too...

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Re: [WSG] Possible layout problems with using this CSS code?

2009-04-19 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Brett Patterson 
inspiron.patters...@gmail.com wrote:

 Would using:

 * {
 margin: 0;
 padding: 0;
 border: 0;
 }

 before the body to zero out all margins, paddings and borders, cause any
 accessibility problems or any problems one should be made aware of before
 using it for layout?


Not accessibility problems per se, but removing margins and padding from
absolutely every single element can cause issues with things like select
and option. Much better to use a reset stylesheet like Yahoo!'s or Eric
Meyers.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reset+stylesheet

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Re: [WSG] Where is browser compatibility in wcag?

2009-04-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] 
aboeh...@addictivemedia.com.au wrote:


 I went through WCAG 1 and WCAG 2, and I expected an appropriate guideline
 to
 show up under Priority 1 (or Level A), but nothing. Or am I missing
 something in the obscure wording of the document that is WCAG?


A user's choice of technology is not an accessibility issue. If people want
to view content on the web, they have to make sure they are using suitable
hardware and software - using a 10-year-old browser doesn't qualify, IMO.
Should I be able to view a site on my Commodore 64?

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Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote:

 In my case,  the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was
 representative of the internet as a whole.  The bigger of the two sites
 I've
 used is a radio station.  It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats.


More stats (30m visits over a month, demographic of pretty much everyone):

IE7 - 52%
IE6 - 23%
FF3 - 17%
Safari - 3%
FF2 - 2.5%
Chrome - 0.8%
Opera - 0.5%

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Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM, William Donovan
donovan.will...@gmail.comwrote:

 You don't by any chance use chrome yourself while you're developing?
 I noticed that I mainly use Firefox and I had to stop going back to the
  site after it was built to allow the data / statistics to clean themselves
 of my bias.


You can (and should) filter out your own visits by IP address within
Analytics reports.

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Re: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-23 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Brett Patterson 
inspiron.patters...@gmail.com wrote:

 Note the space in the second paragraph class attribute...from what I have
 heard this allows multiple classes to be applied to a single element. Is
 there a downfall to applying multiple classes to an element, like the one
 above? How does it affect UAs?


There are no negative effects to applying multiple classes to a single
element. The only problem is when you try to style an element that matches
two (or more) classnames, e.g.:

#content .primary.highlighted {
background: #ff0;
}

That will work in Firefox/Safari, and apply the rule to any element with
both the primary and highlighted classes; but in IE6 it doesn't work, it
will just see it as .highlighted.

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Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Rimantas Liubertas riman...@gmail.comwrote:

 Exactly, only this can mean the opposite of what you state:
 more tech savy users know how to turn Javascript off, unlike
 the general public.


One other thing to bear in mind is that we are mostly thinking of users as
being sat at home surfing the web - but a large proportion of web traffic
will be people surfing from work, where they have no control over the
configuration or restrictions placed on either their browser or at the
firewall level. There are bound to be some sysadmins who lockdown script
access for all employees, which will contribute to the 5-10% of non-JS
enabled users. It's not always a conscious choice on the part of the user.

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Re: [WSG] Federal Court hearing re Virgin Blue website accessiblity

2009-01-20 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apparently I have a different opinion from Mr Kerr on what makes a web site
 accessible under the Disabilities Discrimination Act.


Care to expand on that point? Do his views jibe with what most web
developers would consider 'accessible'?

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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Stewart Griffiths 
stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please can you provide feedback on the following website
 http://webprocafe.com/

 We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus
 any general feedback you want to provide.


Design, Development, Coffee ...?

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Re: [WSG] High-Pass Filter and Yahoo's reset stylesheet (question regarding validation)

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM, James Jeffery 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Was just wondering. I always use Yahoo's reset.css file to reset elements,
 but I have just noticed there is a CSS parse error in it (purposely put
 there for browser selecting).


I can't see any parse errors in reset.css:

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/reset/

I use it myself as the basis for all stylesheets, and have never had a
validation problem.

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Re: [WSG] High-Pass Filter and Yahoo's reset stylesheet (question regarding validation)

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM, James Jeffery 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 20 input, textarea, select  Parse Error {*font-size:100%;   20 input,
 textarea, select  Parse error - Unrecognized ;}
 Test it: 
 http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/reset.csshttp://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/%7E0802390/reset.css


That's not in reset.css, it's from fonts.css. It's also not the High Pass
filter - see here for an explanation:

http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/highpass.html

If you're worried about it, extract the IE-only code out of the file and
wrap it in conditional comments.

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Re: [WSG] High-Pass Filter and Yahoo's reset stylesheet (question regarding validation)

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:42 PM, James Jeffery 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dude, I didn't say that was the high pass filter. I said that was the error
 in the reset.css. The high pass filter is a different issue unrelated to the
 Yahoo
 reset stylesheet.


Ah, sorry - I must have read your original email wrong.


 Also, if you look at the source code for reset-min.css you will see it
 isn't nothing to do with the fonts stylesheet and is infact in the
 reset-min.css stylesheet.


That's weird (and a bit crap of Yahoo!) - it's in the reset-min stylesheet,
but not in the plain view version of the stylesheet shown on the main YUI
Reset page. Guess they haven't updated all the different places it appears
as they have added bits.

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Re: [WSG] Big Browsing Issues on clients PC Laptop AOL

2008-10-18 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Kristine Cummins 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I just launched a site, and it's *browsing* *fine on my PC  Mac laptop
 from IE5-8** browsers to** FF* etc. However, when my client visits her
 site on her *PC laptop using AOL*, it is browsing (as if) the stylesheet
 is applying only half way.  I've recommended her to download the latest IE
 or FF, but she hasn't done it yet. When she goes to her place of work, it
 looks fine. How could there be this huge discrepancy on her PC Laptop using
 AOL?

I can't speak for recently, but years ago AOL used to basically install
itself *as* your browser. The browser would be badged AOL, and it wouldn't
render quite like anything else that was around at the time. Now this was
probably around the time of IE4, so I would hope that things have changed -
I just checked the analytics account for a huge (180m pageviews/month) site,
and there are zero records of any browser with the string AOL in the
identification string, which suggests that there is currently no such thing
as an AOL browser.

Perhaps your stylesheet is cached by an AOL proxy?

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Re: [WSG] Dev. For Mobile Browsers

2008-09-14 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 3:13 AM, James Jeffery 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone got any good resources on developing for mobile browsers? It's an
 area I have never really looked into, but am interested in.


http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journal/446/mobile-web-development-research

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Re: [WSG] Copycat site

2008-09-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Joseph Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just a reminder about the purpose of this list and some of the things that
 happen on here you should be aware of:


You missed out Don't top-post and trim replies... ;)

-- 

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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-01 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Tijmen Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This solution works fine for me -
 http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6


Another recent one here:

http://labs.unitinteractive.com/unitpngfix.php

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Re: [WSG] Multiple Firefox on Mac

2008-07-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Does anyone have a link to a decent reference on running Firefox 2  3
 simultaneously on Mac? I can't seem to find a decent one out there.


AFAIK all you need to do is rename your old Firefox.app to something else
(e.g. Firefox2) before installing FF3. Worked fine for me.

You can't have them both open at the same time, though, if that's what you
mean.

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Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url

2008-07-20 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't see what difference it makes - if someone chooses to create a
 mobile-device-friendly version of their site and publish it under a separate
 URL (as opposed to the elegant way - that is, using a mobile-device-friendly
 stylesheet) then that is probably their business.


I know it's not what Lars meant, but I just have to challenge the notion
that the elegant (and presumably proper) way to serve mobile devices is
with a mobile stylesheet on your regular site. Mobile web use is all about
context - visitors don't need your entire site, they need a subset of it (or
new content) that is useful for them in the context of use on the go.

To that end, you either sniff for devices and/or serve mobile content on a
different URL.

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Re: [WSG] Background-position in percentage

2008-06-04 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This never occurred to me before you mentioned it.

More details on background positioning here:

http://www.digital-web.com/articles/web_design_101_backgrounds/

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Re: [WSG] [OT] users - IT literate?

2008-05-17 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Elizabeth Spiegel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The challenge for us as designers/builders is to build sites for the way
 people really use the internet, not the way we wish they did!


Excellently put. :)

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Re: [WSG] [OT] users - IT literate?

2008-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Michael Horowitz 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 However when it comes to literacy most people using websites are computer
 competent or they wouldn't be surfing the web in the first place.


Sorry, but that's complete speculation. In my experience, a large proportion
of computer/web users struggle to understand online concepts that we expert
users take for granted. Many regular surfers have no idea how to interact
with a scroll bar - and there are lots of people who don't know how the
address bar of their browser works! (Look at Google's top searches, they are
all URLs - people use that rather than type in the address bar.)

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Re: [WSG] [OT] users - IT literate?

2008-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 its because MOST PEOPLE find it easier to type partial URL's into
 Google rather than typing the whole URL into the address bar


And which user research are you basing your PROCLAMATION on?

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Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Ian Chamberlain 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fingers crossed this is not too far off topic; being a newby to PHP; any
 clues where I can find how-to's, snippets, libraries or even application
 suites built from PHP that are built to a good minimum standard please.


There's a good ongoing thread in the Sitepoint PHP forum filled with best
practices:

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456441

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Re: [WSG] a list apart expired

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Francisco Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Can someone who know Zeldman let him know that the domain is expired:
 http://www.alistapart.com/


He's asleep at the moment. :)

Do Happy Cog 'run' Magnolia as well? That lapsed too, I seem to remember.

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Re: [WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Léo Siqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Someone have a suggestion to make CSS background printable ?


You could visit every single one of your site users and explain to them how
to turn on background printing on their printer settings. And buy them some
printer ink as well.

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Re: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 10.5 Until user agents (including assistive technologies) render adjacent
 links distinctly, include non-link, printable characters (surrounded by
 spaces) between adjacent links. [Priority 3]

 What is the current thinking on this? How can I do this WITHOUT putting
 any characters in there? I don't emwant/em any characters in there!


Do not add non-link, printable characters (surrounded by spaces or not)
between adjacent links unless the semantics of the document naturally would
include such characters.

From the WCAG Samurai corrections to WCAG1:
http://wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html

So basically, don't worry about using anything between links.

http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journal/455/wcag-samurai-question

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Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My issue is that the submit buttons now have this styling also in
 certain browsers. I'd like to give them a class and set them back to
 their original look, but background:none; doesn't work. Is there a way
 of doing this does anyone know?


Not quite what you asked, but have you considered using the button element
for your submit button instead of an input? Removes this kind of annoyance.

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Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Amrinder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability as described
 by Smashing Magazine or follow what Andy said.


Why not do both? Use a coding style that suits you, then compress it for
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Re: [WSG] Form best practice

2008-04-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 we are currently evaluating how we code up forms. In the process I'd
 like to review form best practices.

 Please send me any bookmarks you might have of what you consider top of
 class.


I favour this approach:

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/fancy-form-design-css

form  fieldset  ol  li  label/input

I've found that this approach gives you a great deal of flexibility in how
you can style the form.

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Re: [WSG] Floating model: FF counterintuitive

2008-04-18 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is how FF aligns them:

 +---+
 |heading|
 +---+
 +---+ ++
 | div1  | |div2|
 |   | ||
 +---+ ++


I believe that is correct, according to the spec. A floated element should
move up as far as the top of the previously floated element in the source;
so div2 has moved up to top-align with the top of div1, the previously
floated element.

Each floated element creates a new 'top line', above which later floated
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Re: [WSG] SMTP

2008-04-05 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:58 AM, Alexander Uribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I want to be able to recieve information without Outlook express popping
 up.

 One of my lecturer's advised me I needed the SMTP number from the host and
 then add in some code, however i cant find any information of how to set it
 all up.

 Can anyone help?


This article might be useful:

http://www.digital-web.com/articles/bulletproof_contact_form_with_php/

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Re: [WSG] accessible fluid button

2008-04-04 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  YUI button from Yahoo http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/button/

How exactly is a button created with JavaScript accessible?


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Re: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?]

2008-03-31 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Designer 
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 This is what I find time and time again. Contrary to some of the
 comments l hear on this list, my experience is such that most computer
 users haven't got the first clue about how to use their machines, even
 after ten years . . .


I'd agree with this - I once explained to a client over the phone how to
copy and paste; he was amazed at how much time he would now be able to save
transferring his product details into the CMS...

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Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-28 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:30 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 yes, the pix were floated but the nav div was not.  i ran a test.  i
 removed the width declaration and floated the nav div.  when i check it in
 ff web dev toolbar the nav div did not shrink wrap or it's contents.


I just tried that on your site (removed the width: 30% and added float: left
to the #nav div) and it shrinkwraps the nav items as expected.

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Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-27 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:07 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink wrap
 their contents while others don't.  any takers?


Block level elements such as DIV will be 100% of the width of their parent
container, unless they are floated - in which case they can either have an
explicit width set via CSS, or they will shrinkwrap their contents.

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Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-27 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:41 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i had no width set on the nav ul or the nav div and they both went to
 100%.  the div didn't shrink wrap the div and ul.


That would be correct behaviour, unless you are saying that they were
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Re: [WSG] multiple css style sheets

2008-03-01 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 do you have a link for your side?


validator.w3.org?

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Re: [WSG] hello - [OT]

2008-02-15 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Matt Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Out on a limb here - does anybody else feel the same?


I really feel that you could have answered that question elsewhere, or even
with a quick search on Google, instead of lazily exploiting the goodwill of
this list...

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Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-07 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Feb 6, 2008 6:03 AM, sri kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  FYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the INPUT element
 should not wrapped by any LABEL element. It's not compliant/accessible...


For somebody labelling themselves Webstandard guy, your knowledge is
scarily off-base.

FWIW, I think a form can easily be construed as being a list, whether
ordered or unordered - it's a list of questions to which you have to provide
the answers - so using a UL or OL is absolutely an acceptable solution. DL
isn't for reasons that everyone should be aware of. They are also not
paragraphs, so wrapping form elements in P is also not a suitable choice.

Developers should also be aware of the way in which assistive technology
such as screenreaders interacts for forms, specifically the forms mode that
many have, where only form-related elements will be read out - this means
that paragraphs of text and headings may not be available to screenreader
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Re: [WSG] running ie7 on my mac??

2008-01-24 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 25, 2008 6:08 AM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Whats my cheapest option for getting ie7 to run on my intel based mac.
 Is it basically an option between boot camp, parallels or virtual pc?
 Very frustrated with discrepancies at the moment.


Yes - Parallels, VMWare Fusion, or Boot Camp. I use Parallels and I love it
- you can run Windows as just another application on your desktop, and
switching from one OS to the other is as simple as moving the mouse into the
Windows window.

There is also ies4osx [1] but I was never able to get it to work properly.

[1] http://www.kronenberg.org/ies4osx/

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Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 13, 2008 5:34 AM, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry to spoil your fun Michael, but 100% of Apple Mac OS X 10.4 or better
 don't have IE installed at all. There are also 100% of Linux users who
 don't
 have IE installed by default. Nokia, Motorola, etc don't have IE installed
 on
 mobile devices. The Asus EeePC, the hottest selling bit of technology at
 the
 moment, does not have IE installed. IE can't be installed unless the
 custom-built default OS is replaced by Windows XP, which is not a simple
 process and unlikely to be be attempted by regular users.


Can't seem to find IE installed on my iPhone, either...

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Re: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 13, 2008 5:51 AM, Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm tossing up whether to buy a Mac or to save my money and buy a new PC
 and just have Linux and Windows on it. I've read that Safari for Windows
 will help Web Developers without a Mac be able to develop for that.


Unless you're a hardcore PC gamer, why not get an Intel Mac? Then you can
run Windows (on Parallels or VMWare or Boot Camp), Linux, and MacOS on the
same machine. Plus you get a *nix based OS that is much nicer to develop for
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Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 9, 2008 2:01 PM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry

 is this really the figure - any sources?


It's impossible to say, unless you draw a line in the sand and define what
qualifies someone to call themselves a 'web designer'. Does it have to be
your job title? Your business? Do you have to be paid for it?

Our industry includes everyone from Zeldman to the marketing department
struggling with a CMS to back-bedroom solo web agencies to the neighbour's
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Re: [WSG] Rockwell?

2007-12-21 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Dec 21, 2007 10:05 AM, Jos Flachs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use
 rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag.

 Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and
 it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the
 Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all.


It's not a standard Windows font, I'd be surprised if anyone apart from
designers had it on their systems (unless it is now bundled with Vista?)

Why not use sIFR - the demo even comes with the Rockwell .swf file.


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Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta

2007-12-18 Thread Matthew Pennell

It's not working at all via iPhone, strangely.

- Matthew

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Dec 2007, at 18:31, Kim Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored  
buttons that changed the colors of the page... right?)


John Faulds skrev:

Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone


No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different.





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Re: [WSG] Styling Submit buttons with JavaScript by making them anchors

2007-12-17 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Dec 17, 2007 2:28 PM, James Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm trying to use some code so that submit buttons on a form are (using
 JavaScript if available) removed and replaced with anchor tags that then
 have event handlers added to them to submit a form if clicked. The reason
 for this is that I have some tabs I want to style in a similar way though
 some are anchors and some are inputs and it means I should be able to style
 submit buttons in the same way as anchor tags whilst managing to keep the
 text resizable (as opposed to using an image for the submit button).


This might be a stupid question, but why can't you just style your form
submit buttons to look like links using CSS?

button {
border: 0;
background: none;
text-decoration: underline;
color: #006;
cursor: pointer;
}

Your button looks and acts (almost) exactly like a regular link.

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Re: [WSG] Comment mark

2007-12-09 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/10/07, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To comment a line in PHP code you should use // or you can comment a block
 using /* */


Or you can also use an octothorpe: # to comment out a single line in PHP.

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Re: [WSG] More semantic logos?

2007-12-08 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/8/07, James Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was hoping to get your feedback on my blog entry regarding a method of
 marking up logos with using your standard site menu:

 http://www.digitaloverload.co.uk/blog/2007/11/23/more-semantic-logos/


Great article - like all the best solutions, applying a little common sense
gets you a long way. :)

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Re: [WSG] Simple question on forms

2007-12-05 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/5/07, Minh D. Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just have a question regarding forms. How do I set the cursor to default
 on a certain form input field?


Do you mean you want to automatically give focus to a particular form field
when the page loads? You can simply call the .focus() method on the element:

document.getElementById('myfield').focus();

Consider the accessibility implications, first, though; not everyone will be
happy to have decisions made for them about where they want their cursor to
be. ;)

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Re: [WSG] Simple question on forms

2007-12-05 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/5/07, Minh D. Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just have a question regarding forms. How do I set the cursor to default
 on a certain form input field?


Do you mean you want to automatically give focus to a particular form field
when the page loads? You can simply call the .focus() method on the element:

document.getElementById('myfield').focus();

Consider the accessibility implications, first, though; not everyone will be
happy to have decisions made for them about where they want their cursor to
be. ;)

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Re: [WSG] About Lightbox and SEO

2007-12-03 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  When I have used them the caption has always come form the link's title
 attribute so I would assume that to be accessible?


Accessible to whom?

Some points to bear in mind:

1) Many (most?) screenreaders do not read the title attribute by default.

2) Many (most?) screenreaders are perfectly able to execute JavaScript, so
when the user clicks the link, what happens? It might announce that the
document structure has been updated (by the addition of the lightbox div
overlay), but that doesn't tell you where or what has happened.

3) Screen magnifier users might not be able to see the changes to the screen
when they click the lightbox link.

4) If the link's href points to the image, how does that help people with
scripting disabled? They just get the picture, with no caption.

Your solution is good inasmuch as it doesn't rely 100% on JavaScript, but
there are still many accessibility issues to consider.

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Re: [WSG] About Lightbox and SEO

2007-12-02 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Dec 3, 2007 4:00 AM, Matheus Neves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I see everybody using lightbox as a good solution for photo galeries, i´d
 like to know if anyone now anything about it´s SEO friendliness and if
 it´s also following acessibility guidelines.


There are no issues from an SEO point-of-view, but lightboxes are not great
for accessibility - I've not done any testing, but I'd imagine that both
screenreaders and screen magnifiers would not cope well with them. Remember
that, although lightbox is JavaScript powered, most AT is capable of running
JS.

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Re: [WSG] Appropriate use of the ABBR tag and Roman Numerals

2007-11-29 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Nov 29, 2007 3:48 PM, Tate Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm in the process of representing the date in Roman Numerals. I'm
 concerned this may confuse potential users, and would like to display
 an optional tooltip in the standard Gregorian  format. Would it be
 considered semantically appropriate to make use of the abbr tag?


I'd say no. It's not an abbreviated form of the full date by any stretch of
the imagination.

Why not just use a span (or whatever other tag is convenient):

span title=The year 2007MMVII/span

Functionally it's exactly the same as using ABBR.

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Re: [WSG] Floated list items of differing heights

2007-10-25 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 24/10/2007, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've managed to avoid doing this for  while, but I'm doing a CMS job
 and the content in a floated group of LI's is going to be differeing
 heights. They need to wrap onto a new line when they hit the right
 edge of the container, causing layout problems.


You either need to force the list items to all occupy the same height, by
using a fixed height, or use a server-side counter that sets clear: left
on every Nth item.

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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/10/2007, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
 http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

 Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

 Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
 error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?


JavaScript libraries do not by themselves put errors in your CSS or HTML,
only you - the user - can do that. :)

If you consider WCAG a web standard, then you need to make sure that your
page is still accessible when scripts are turned off (or words to that
effect). Read our article that Alfonso linked to for an example of how
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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/10/2007, Maarten stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not true. YUI is much more then a Javascript library, and it outputting
 alot of HTML and CSS could (possibly!) make it break your valid pages.


My point was that YUI doesn't output any HTML on its own - it only does what
you tell it to do.

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Re: [WSG] Positioning a background image

2007-09-30 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 30/09/2007, Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 That's annoying! But thanks for the explanation :)


All the information you ever need on background positioning:

http://www.digital-web.com/articles/web_design_101_backgrounds/

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Re: [WSG] Speaking of alt tags . . .

2007-09-11 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 11/09/2007, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For hand-crafted pages, done by a web artisan...


Is that what we're calling ourselves now? ;)


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Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live

2007-08-09 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 09/08/07, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is no longer called a cheat sheet, and it has gone live today.
 Check it out at http://keryx.se/resources/html_elements.xhtml and feel
 free to use it or as you please - or improve it!


404.


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Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

2007-07-04 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 04/07/07, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



No.   Meta tags are all but depreciated at this point.



That's a bold - and largely incorrect - statement. Perhaps the META tags
that were covered in most Beginning HTML type books a few years ago aren't
needed any more (although description is still used by Google, content-type
can be useful, robots is needed to refuse entry to bots - it's really only
the keywords meta tag that is pointless now), but meta tags are still needed
for applying stuff like Dublin Core metadata.

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Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making

2007-07-03 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 03/07/07, Sander Aarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Yesterday, PPK announced that he and others are busy setting up a Dutch
guild of Front-end Developers:
http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/07/gilde_van_front.html (only
in Dutch for now).

The general idea is to professionalize front-end development, emphesize
the fact that it is in fact a branche of its own and to set up a
certification system by which customers can easily distinguish between
modern developers, using web standards, and old skool table hackers.



Interesting. Whenever the subject has arisen before, it's usually been felt
that because the pace of change is so rapid in web development,
certification is practically useless - you might have qualified for a
certificate a year ago, but that's no guarantee that you're still using the
most up-to-date techniques.

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Re: [WSG] Javascript problem

2007-06-21 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 21/06/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So, what I would like to do, is add a checker to the script to see if
the table actually exists before doing the rest of the code.
Unfortunately, I am a novice to this and I've been stuffing around for
a while and can't get it to work.



Simple solution - add this line to the start of your function:

if (!document.getElementById(tableID)) return;

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Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity

2007-06-19 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 19/06/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Definitely. FYI Lars, http://domscripting.com/ is Christian's hub site.



No, Dom Scripting is the site for Jeremy Keith's book for JavaScript
beginners. Christian's site is http://www.wait-til-i.com/

Jeremy Keith should also be above most of these people as popular and

populist (just under PPK, possibly) - http://adactio.com/articles/.



In terms of cutting edge work, I wouldn't list Jeremy, personally - Dean
Edwards, definitely, Crockford, maybe PPK, John Resig (jQuery inventor),
probably people like Dojo's Alex or Prototype's Stephen.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] Opening a New Window for Print View (dif from a print style sheet)

2007-06-15 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 15/06/07, Susan Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've read Berea St who is adamant on using js if you have to have a
window, though stating it should be avoided, and others who are just as
opposed and recommended only pure css pop-ups - which I don't want since i
want full browser menus for the user.



Your two options are JavaScript to attach window.open to the link, or use
the target=_blank attribute and sacrifice compliance with XHTML Strict.
There aren't any other ways to do it, really.

Matthew.

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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 08/06/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 /* Guideline 9.4: Do not attempt to create your own tab order. That is a
job for a browser and adaptive technology. */

When and where needed (in web forms for instance), I create a tabindex
order starting with the number 11 and proceed from there. This usually
bypasses the generic built-in browser tab order.



So what would happen on a page with 15 links above the form? Presumably a
keyboard user would tab through the first 10, then just down to the form,
through that, and then back to the last 5, then move onto any links after
the form. Not exactly expected behaviour.

/* Guideline 9.5: Don't provide your own keyboard shortcuts. That is a job

for a browser or adaptive technology. */

I provide keyboard shortcuts for global navigation situated on each web
page. I cross-browser test to make sure each character I'm using for the Alt
+ key shortcut doesn't interfere with generic browser shortcuts.


I think it's been shown that just about all keys interfere with someone's
shortcuts, whether it's a browser, screenreader, foreign characters, or
whatever.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 08/06/07, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


- no noscript?
I still use it to add a submit button to dropdowns which are otherwise
javascript driven - I thought I was doing a good thing!



Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

I like the way that the footer links rollover to black text on dark blue
background - very accessible... ;)

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

This is an interesting one:

If images must be used for list bullets, do so only using CSS, as with ul
{ list-style: url(arrow.gif) disc }

Like a lot of people, I use CSS background-image to place a graphic at the
top left of LI items, with a bit of left padding so the text makes space.
What is the justification for this new 'rule' - how does background-image
negatively affect accessibility in a way that graphical list-style doesn't?

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 08/06/07, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:27:46 +0100, Matthew Pennell wrote:
 Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.

More information, please? :)



Auto-submit dropdowns mostly work by triggering the onchange event of the
SELECT element. This is fired when you select a different OPTION using a
mouse - however, if you are using a keyboard, it is fired when you press the
down arrow to move through the list. You therefore can't select anything but
the first OPTION, as it triggers the onchange event and submits the form.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

Another interesting one, under Guideline 12 (although it actually relates to
WCAG 13.8):

Do not place distinguishing information at the beginning of headings,
paragraphs, lists, etc. unless document semantics warrant it.

I'd always interpreted that guideline as being a nod to both usability and
cognitive disability, with the added bonus that it means screenreader users
don't have to listen to the entire sentence before being in a position to
decide if it is relevant to them - for example:

Bad: Read more information and download supporting material on California
Forest Fires
Good: Californian Forest Fires - more information and support material

So why is this bad, and why does the Samurai's new 'rule' seem to be
recommending that we actively avoid putting distinguishing information at
the start of sentences? Doesn't make sense to me.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 08/06/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I think the as with here means as example.  The point is the use of
CSS to avoid using an img tag in the HTML.

The fact that they give the most sensible way of doing this as an example
does not preclude you using other CSS to acheve the same result.



That would make sense - it could probably do with being reworded so as to
avoid confusion.

Matthew,


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Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 08/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How do you work that one out? Javascript cannot run until the page has
(mostly) loaded, so I can vouch for getting a 'flash of extra content'
on many of my pages. Since the hidden content cannot be re-enabled
without JS on, I have to make the default appearance to be 'visible',
then hide it asap.



You can run scripts as soon as the DOM has loaded, so you very rarely have
to put up with the flash of non-js content - that only really happens if you
use the window.onload event.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?

2007-06-06 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 06/06/07, Raine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


okay,  I hate to play post-police, but...
can someone explain to me what this has to do with web standards?



You really have to ask what pedantry has to do with web standards..!? ;)


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Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-29 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 5/28/07, Mark Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource)
solution to run our companies UK based web site.



If you can afford to wait a few months, Magento is open-source and looks to
be pretty good:

http://www.magentocommerce.com/

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-24 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 5/25/07, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Following up on Lisa McLaughlin's recent query about blogging software,
I wonder if anyone can help me find a CMS that lets me use Plain Old
Semantic HTML?



POSH as a concept is not about HTML vs. XHTML, it's about using the correct
semantic elements. As David says, most platforms - Wordpress, Textpattern,
Expression Engine - will output whatever you put into their templates.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics

2007-05-22 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 5/22/07, Jason Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What do you think is causing that extra space? How can I avoid/remove it?



The spacing is caused by the white space in the code, line breaks, etc.
Remove those and you remove the space - or float your anchors instead of
display: inline.

I would use a UL - the data isn't tabular.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] Hack for all IE versions including 7

2007-05-18 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 5/18/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am trying to find hacks for IE7 and I can't, could someone please
point me in the right direction? I would like the following:



#mydiv {
background: red; /* all browsers */
*background: green; /* all IE */
_background: blue; /* IE6 and below */
}

Or use conditional comments, obviously.


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Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 5/16/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What would you have done in this situation?



Take off and nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

;)


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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

2007-03-22 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 3/22/07, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


- Pro JavaScript Techniques
by John Resig



I'd recommend this [1] to intermediate to pretty good JavaScripters - it's
very good.

Matthew.

[1] http://www.digital-web.com/articles/pro_javascript_techniques/


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Re: [WSG] Using headers symantically

2007-03-20 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 3/20/07, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


h2Title/h2
  psome text/p
  h4Sub-Title of Title/h4
  pmore text/p
h3Title/h3
  psome text/p
  h4Sub-Title of Title/h4
  pmore text/p

And that seems fine to me.  You can 'see' the structure by looking at
the code, so it means (to me) that it's semantic.



That's incorrectly nested I'm afraid. The spec says (somewhere) that
headings have to be correctly nested, and that you can't miss out a heading
level - so you can't jump from H2 to H4 without there being an H3 in between
somewhere. Think of it as a tree of content - each section belongs to a
parent section.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] Teaching CSS

2007-03-17 Thread Matthew Pennell


On 3/17/07, Cole Kuryakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With that lengthy pre-amble, I've got to ask – is there a GREAT book out
 there that steps through the learning process of CSS right from the bare
 bones that both I and my new artist can use?



One book that I've heard great things about for absolute beginners (and that
teaches the right way to do things) is Ian Lloyd's Sitepoint book, Build
Your Own Web Site The Right Way Using HTML  CSS:

http://www.sitepoint.com/books/html1/

I've not read it myself, but I'd absolutely trust Ian to do things the right
way.

Matthew.


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Re: [WSG] Brand logos with links to home

2007-03-17 Thread Matthew Pennell

On 3/17/07, Lee Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I was wondering what the general consensus was on whether the main
logo on a site should always be a link back to the home page. Is this
a general 'rule of thumb' or do many tend not to do this?



I always do this - whether it's a usability enhancement or not is debatable,
but it has been standard behaviour on websites since the dawn of the
internet, so users have learned the shortcut. I'm sure Jakob has had
something to say on the subject as well.

Matthew.


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