I agree to the fact that HTML approach is the best. I normally use Google
docs they can open any documents - pdfs, word, excel, images etc like any
other html document. See the link:
(you can apt-get it)
Its not perfect (formatting often comes out a bit strange and the html is
messy) but at least you end up with something you can edit.
Unfortunately I haven't seen anything better yet,
and absolutely nothing anywhere near good enough to use without needing
If a spider could read the alt attribute, don't you think they
could read the href attribute?
Alt=j...@smith.com or href=mailto:j...@smith.com;
It doesn't matter where you put the valid email address, the
spiders will find it. However, messing with images will just make
Emulation software is never going to be 100% reliable for testing. An
Sure, eventually I will get one (when such devices are cheap enough to buy
one outright without plans/debt/worry/etc)
...but until then I need *something* to use for testing.
(work doesn't yet understand that this is needed -
Do any of you guys have experience with touch screen designing?
I looked at an iPAD today, with a view to buying, and I was horrified when
I looked at a site of mine that used a spry dropdown menu.
Does anyone know of any good emulation software for testing for those of us
who don't yet own a
Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for complex
script languages is the choice between a textual version and an image version:
I am working on a mobile version WordPress site that I have not done
content negotiation yet, but display none the content including inline
images that I don't want them show up in mobile version. The homepage is a
little heavy due to a large
I wouldn't rely on css for mobile sites ... to many
Since Outlook is not the best HTML editor it's quite likely something will
get broken at some stage or other, so it's not fool-proof, but it produces
results than Word.
I thought Outlook uses Word as its editor.
If you want to build html email functionality into a cms or script this
We have a problem! Outlook 2010, according to Campaign Monitor , is
going to continue to use the crippled MS Word layout engine. They adopted
this as the status quo for
Outlook 2007 and promptly set rich email with CSS, etc., back a number
of years, and are showing no great sign of diverging
A user's choice of technology is not an accessibility issue. If people want
to view content on the web, they have to make sure they are using suitable
hardware and software - using a 10-year-old browser doesn't qualify, IMO.
Should I be able to view a site on my Commodore 64?
Do they have
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Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very
accessible eh? :)
It appears to be based on eclipse ... (probably java based like other
Might it be possible to build it from source on Mac or Linux?
Has anyone here tried this?
I never really
My Web team and I are discussing whether or not we should open links to
PDFs and other non-html pages in a new window.
a big no from me
not in a new window, or ANY browser window.
Acrobat Reader can take a long time to start on some machines.
It can be extremely annoying for users to be forced
The only way out of that was to rewrite the whole lot. I mean the guys
who were on this project were creating empty spans with classes to push
elements along a page (like spacers). They had an empty h1 with a
span inside it for the logo they placed in using CSS ... that was only
a part of the
A timely blog post by Andy...and this marks the third anniversary of the
same issues being rehashed
though Ben Ward's efforts are to be noted...see
This just arrived in my email:
Event: Sydney Townhall Protest to Stop Internet censorship filtering
Host: http://nocensorship.info ; http://wiki.efp.org.au/
Start Time: Saturday, December 13 at 11:00am
End Time: Saturday, December 13 at 4:00pm
Where: Sydney Town Hall Square
Don't ascribe to malice that which can be more easily explained by
mistake. I'll take ill-informed cock-up over conspiracy any day, as I
don't believe Australian politicians have the nous to manage a grand
yeah a mix of very noisy religious extremist lobby groups and influential
Brett Patterson wrote:
1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit!
2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!!
3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I
can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive!
4) Like I said, I think this
The way to make it work is to stop writing static HTML sites. Instead
use one of the many freely available open source CMS frameworks and
simply hand code the templates for them once (making hand coded changes
for other customer sites as required). That's what we do with Drupal.
I would not
If you have Adobe Photoshop you probably also have Adobe ImageReady.
You can use ImageReady to edit and optimise animated gifs.
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On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 08:21 -0500, Todd Budnikas wrote:
with respect to both sides here, I have had numerous clients come to me
requesting Contribute as a solution. I would say the reason, in every case
i believe, is the cost. It's a 1 time fee of $99. I imagine, that if you
I don't think a pdf (or any other format) containing only images would have
much chance of being accessible as such.
...does anyone have any recommendations for good OCR tools?
How is scanning to PDF normally done in places that use PDF a lot for
scanned documents (eg government sites)
param name=wmode value=transparent / should do the trick, with
I think this works on some browsers, but not everything
It might not be possible in some browsers or with some older versions of
(I guess also that there may be similar problems with other
not a third party on the planet that knows how to write a valid script tag
or encode ampersands...
I've sometimes had to modify existing php and perl scripts to handle encoded
It seems that neither php 4's $_GET or $_REQUEST nor perl's param handle
encoded ampersands in query
Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have
to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely
hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash
Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't
I think you misunderstood the article big-time. It's saying that Flash
10 is planned to not support DHTML scripting access, which means you
that a lot of interfaces where Flash is *not* currently sufficient
they introduce a
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash
10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash
specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash
features. It does not
Human-only precautions such as a CAPTHA for form entry helps, as does some
anti-spam features on your web server. However, my server
gets hammered with thousands of spam a day... and I got so frustrated with
that sort of thing that I changed my feedback form to a text field that
May be a better approach would be to use a script that lets the user turn
If you are talking about any kind of client side scripting, such as
Could someone tell me if it has Google Download Accelerator or other
Google Toolbar features built in? I'm just wondering how much is under
not sure ... but poking around its directories I saw one for google gears...
btw I tried to save one of thumbnail images it generated
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:42 AM, 8bits Media
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We currently have a project that includes a calendar in the design. The
dilemma I currently have, is what is the best way to mark the calendar
Should we use tables, or is it more semantically correct these days to
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be
following web standards with their CSS version.
and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone.
Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for
presentation standards as well.
I was trying to work out a small problem I was having today with css floats
and clears on a page in IE7 (page looked fine in Firefox)...
I did a google search and found this:
viewing that page in IE7 shows an *extreme* version
As i remember alt was short for alternative text, to describe images in
It is als yuseful for Search ENgine Optimization as its visible for them
relate them to content, titles and other components of the page.
text-only browsers display it. ...
It's text for people
So what's the general consensus on the use of null or empty alt strings as
per the reasons outlined in the article below?
I don't see the point of the null alt strings.
A validator is a tool to help you ... its not
Accessibility is really not that difficult to put in place - I also believe
as professionals providing web design / development services that this
should not be an addon that we charge but part of what the client should
expect too get - imagine a builder charging you to make your house
The php site - php.net
is always a good place to start for php
There are often some good snippets to be found in user comments too
Its not as good as it was a couple of years ago though, as they seem to have
removed a lot of useful stuff that you could do in pure php because they can
some BIG usability NO-NOs I see on a lot of flash sites.
intro pages (one of my pet hates - I HATE waiting ... and I'm sure I'm not
the only one! - they are pointless and should be BANNED! - if you reallly
*must* then make sure there is a non-flash way to skip it)
animations in navigation -
one thing I
miss about dreamweaver is that you can do a 'search all' and
get a list of all instances of the thing you are searching for
rather than cycling through a 'find...find...find...'
list. So far it's the only program I've used that does that
and I really notice not having it.
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameI think the address tag
is specifically intended for the author contact for the page itself (and
only used once on a page).
for hCard markup see this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard
If you want tools that use microformats (such as
2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use
formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content
using microformat standards - as they currently exist - is this
information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of
How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users
update their browsers?
I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict?
when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as
(the server logs are from a public
Does anyone have a preferred way to view and validate generated source
I like the view generated source in the Web Developer Firefox plugin,
Firebug is very handy too
btw does anyone know how
IE 7 does,
As do 5 and 6 (before those, don't know and don't care). After all, if
I have to care about what IE5 and 6 do ... I see from server logs lots of
people out there are still using them!
(especially IE6 ... still very common ... and there are still quite a few
IE5 Mac users
Are we agreed that the back button *should* take one to the previous page?
yep .. speaking of which...
Is there a good way to fix up back button behaviour (so it behaves as
When I read that, I thought about creating a button that finds the site
you were at before you came in here, and then keeps that the same
throughout the site, so no matter how many pages you go to, you can get
back out of all of those and back where you were before you started
that. That's a
Cameron Adams makes a few good points at:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/04/28/, and of
course - remember that his example button looks different in IE, Safari and
Firefox! While this article is old, it covers most salient points and
provides a simple approach that works
When the document's media type is changed, you will see the expected
results, i.e. your document is rendered as application/xhtml+xml:
doesn't look like IE7 recognises application/xhtml+xml it asks if I
want to download it!
James Leslie wrote:
You could try using a plug-in such as HTML validator for Firefox that
will put a little icon on the bottom right of your firefox browser to
show you if a page is valid or not and it will show you errors too. It
uses the HTML tidy software
I'm throwing together a quick site to try and fund my travel to an
accessibility conference. I haven't had too much time to check it, or
think it through, but I would appreciate a page check, and general
suggestions/comments. Also, I don't have
Another issue is graphics... if you've got any stock images of people
like some sites do, you have to think about what certain cultures
might think about how people dress.
There are also sensitivities in some cultures about photos of people who
have passed away.
In the beta process, they were doing some flipping browser detection
**from within the plugin**, and only checked for Safari or Firefox, as
opposed to check for Gecko.
The demos I've seen still only work half and half on Mac browsers, except
Firefox 2.0.0.x and Safari.
what about linux
whisperI actually quite like it./whisper
I thought it was pretty cool too. A bit of experimentation shows that
there's actually been a fair bit of work put into font-previewing
interface. Definitely nowhere near the worst site I've seen recently.
I didn't think it was so bad - *except*
Google is not about to ban you, however if this is used in combination
with other known black hat tactics, then you will.
Google will check your CSS but once again, if you are using this technique
to excess, then you should be worried.
There was talk via a different email thread, and someone
I highly doubt that presentational styles will effect SEO.
When you use display:none you are not removing the
content from the source, you are just hiding it from
users viewing the web page.
If you was to remove the element from the source using
DOM that would be different.
not if you are
The Silverlight build process produces a .dll. You need the Silverlight
plug-in to render the resulting html page. Also, from a quick test, it
only render in IE and the Gecko range. Forget Opera, Safari for windows,
If they are really serious about getting people to use Silverlight
The problem is that the test pass in level A, and some links doesnt
I think this should get a manual check or warning.
because almost noscript that i see just tell, this need flash plugin
or this site need
Well, the best way to let visually impaired people see your email, is
just do something the spambots can't get and the ones you want to gets the
email will get it. Simply put it as an audio file. Record yourself reading
your email, the spambots can't get it and the people using screen readers
My pet hate is people forcing pdfs to open in browser windows with
A plain old ordinary link at least lets you right click and download - some
of us hate having the browser locked up for ages locked up waiting for the
slow pdf plugin to load.
I think anything that takes more than
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the
web page end, would be my advice.
not a solution ... we all know how hard it is for any filtering software to
determine whether something is spam or not...
...and any machine-readable version of an email address on a page
Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the
browser is a screen reader?
If you mean by CSS (display: none -- or similar -- for aural media
types), I'm not sure that would work because AFAIk spambots just look
through the source code of the page for mailto links.
I have a page where there are some dhtml menus with drop downs across the
top of the page, and a large flash object in the body of one of the pages.
However the drop-down menu items are going underneath the flash object so
they can't be clicked on. I thought I should just put the flash
An endless debate. And this is before opening up the other aspect of the
debate... How source order affects Google rank :)
also .. what about users of small-screen devices like mobile phones where
lots of scrolling quickly becomes a pain?
then to make matter worse there is the issue of
Are you implying that shopping is a luxury? As horrible as you may find
it, shopping is actually necessary for human survival in a capitalist
society. It's the only way we can acquire goods.
Target is not the only place where people can go shopping ...
I think everyone here at least
A private company should be able to do whatever the hell they like. Suit is
without merit and frivolous. What's next, suing vehicle manufacturers for
not providing a braille manual? I'm all for accesability, but there is no
reason it should be mandated, and lack of is in no was discriminatory.
Speaking only of businesses int he United States, no government entity
should be telling a private business what it must do and that includes
telling a business
it must provide health coverage, or spend a certain percentage on it and
what the covereage must include. If that business accepts
Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
As John said, phone browsers vary as much (actually, more) than their
much more actually ...
On the phone, there are a few different environments I'd test in:
1. Safari (WebKit is the primary browser on Nokia S60 devices, as well as
the iPhone of course. There are
I'm trying to fix some pages that use iframes that are broken in IE7
This is NOT a cross-domain problem.
Like I said, blame the messenger - blame the people who created the PDF
for not making it accssible and easy for the users. Don't blame the PDF
itself - it's innocent and in fact in my opinion, a beneficial
technology Adobe has invented.
My earlier complaint was not about whether not pdf
I'm all about web conventions. I didn't realize having a blank target
didn't follow web standards. Is that documented somewhere?
This one still bothers me ...
Although meta tags are depreciated,
I was reading yesterday, you can still include meta information for
specific spiders, like only telling yahoo spiders to go away
I think Google and Yahoo also see rel=nofollow on links
(to prevent the link from being counted for a page's ranking - such as
requirement to know 'everything'. The datastore/backend guys will just
make sure the data is in a nice format (JSON or something) and that
its accessible from a url - their job is done my friends. User
people who know about something JSON (or any other such method of
trasnsporting data between
Nope, it's genuine. This is an extranet system that financial services
companies will be connecting to. Did you know that Norwich Union has
thousands of users still in Win3.1 and NN4.03 (so I've been told)? And
of the other insurance and mortgage companies aren't much better. Then
My initial tests show that NN4.03 handles some CSS (float, background,
border, font etc) but not some important things (list-style, margin and
padding on lists). Is there a source for information about CSS support on
if you are going to use css with netscape 4 I suggest you do
I recommend it to all those developers that are stuck in a Windows
environment - I have already fixed a few bugs I would have had to use my
bosses Mac to find!
My only concern is that at the moment, I can get away with It might not
look 100% in Safari, but it still works... With Safari on
Speaks volumes for the longevity of Macs, if you ask me. It's equivalent
to saying, 'I can only run IE 4.x because I only have a 386 (486? What do
I know?) processor and Win 95.' Or whatever.
win95 on a 386 - forget it! you are probably talking about win3.1 :-)
I had a 386 in the early
Here is the thread that discussed making PDFs accessible:
The effort involved in creating the PDFs in an accessible format will be
Handheld users frequently avoid opening PDFs since they are often a large
Is the iframe important to the functioning?
It looks to me like it is using the behaviour of the browser history (back
and forward) for the iframe.
(you hit back and the iframe goes to the previous url that was loaded in
- in this case
Maybe I used a poor example.
Microformats would certainly be my first choice for this. I just wish
there was *more* software that could use it. And a plugin to add
microformat data into a groupwise client. That would be nice :)
I have no idea what groupwise is but could a user script could
I too would love to see the results of this experiment.
I suspect that the following code...
perhaps ... but for the purpose of marking up contact details in a
I want to put an address on a site, but I'm put off by the limitations
of the address tag. (but attracted to the semantic value).
microformats - hcard, adr
I was trying to do something as an old-style ISMAP (server-side) image map
and noticed some wierd behaviour
Is this type of image map still supported properly by browsers?
I can't do it client-side because the coordinates that were clicked on need
to be sent to the server to be compared with
- but I'm a developer normally dealing with code rather than visual
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I *want* to like Drupal. I really do.
When it's working, it's a beautiful thing. But I've recently had a lot
of trouble installing the recent version. So much trouble that I gave up
on it :(
I gave up because it was too slow on a high-traffic site on a busy shared
On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons
Being Just a Coder, my usual workflow is:
1. Receive Photoshop files created by client's graphic designer, who
has no knowledge of web technologies, no understanding of usability,
no interest in accessibility, and thinks everything is the same as
there is also the issue of how it will display on a minimal browser not only
without table rendering but also without css rendering ...
It should still be possible to use the form.
.. at the end of the day I think that it what it comes down to - making it
work on any browser with any type of
how do you make the pdf accessible???
I guess it probably depends if it has unencrypted text in it...
some pdf's might only contain images or other stuff...
I have a page that has links to a pdf and the client wanted to know
whether it can be linked to a new window or not. They dont really care
about best practises etc but rather what the state Internet guidlines
are. I have looked through the 107 page doco but cannot find anything.
no idea about
I strongly suggest you
1) mark up the DTs as hyperlinks that reload the page with the selected
item expanded, then
I get a lot of mobile phone users here.
click would definately not be a suitable word to use on any page mobile
phone users are likely to look at.
those that use an external api to display
John Foliot wrote:
semi-credible stats showing that 4% of users cannot (do not?) support
Granted, this appears to be more reliable than 99.9% - but isn't
In future, you should consider installing a virtual machine with a
flavour of Linux so you can easily test your websites yourself, rather
than rely on someone elses perception.
any recommendations for a good no-hassle virtual machine?
(I hate waiting to reboot so I would much prefer a virtual
For a little while, I went down the path of opacity: 0.5; but
quickly found that nothing could be done to reverse the effect for
children of the object - they all went wishy washy too!
actually I've been having problems with opacity with text too... fine in
Firefox but IE doesn't seem to
sIFR is meant to replace short passages of plain browser text with text
rendered in the typeface of choice, regardless of whether or not your users
have that font installed on their systems. Read more about how it works
When I first saw this my
At my company, the business groups often use Visio to produce the
wireframes that the design groups then work toward. They also use
Powerpoint to produce light specs. I can't say I am fond of these
tools from a web development perspective, but they do allow those not
No idea if it would execute in whatever handheld browser is needed, and my
cross browser even on the desktop, but you might be able to hack something
together that works a lot of the time.
flaky would be an
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