[WSG] 301, 302 and Referer

2008-07-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
How do different browsers handle the Referer header when redirecting with a 301 or 302? Thanks. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm

Re: [WSG] Encoding odities

2008-07-13 Thread Mordechai Peller
David Hucklesby wrote: FWIW - The META content-type is only relevant to pages read from a local file-- for example, when someone saves your page to disk. Not true. I recently had some non-local UTF-8 files where some special characters weren't displaying properly in IE6. When I added the

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Fuji kusaka wrote: #min-height:300px !important; This should be: SomeSelector {min-height:300px !important;} What SomeSelector is, some selector. *html #mainContent{ You need a space between * and html behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important; This will never validated because it's IE only.

Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.

2008-04-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: Removing comments from source code is a really bad idea for best practices. Other people may have to work on your site and it’s a pain to reverse-engineer code. Without a doubt, comments are good in any non-trivial *source code*, but that doesn't mean they should be served to

Re: [WSG] ie7 and firefox

2008-03-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@R KULEKCİ wrote: which browser is better to try web site. i rarely look my web site in ie. is firefox enough? No, you need to test in multiple browsers. Since even two standards compliant browsers may render the same page slightly differently, you certainly will need to test

Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }

2008-02-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Broadfoot wrote: You have users using *older than* IE5? I often see older browsers in the log, but in such small quantities that they're safe to ignore. Generally speaking, browsers with only a fraction of a percent share are safe to ignore, unless you know a reason not to. Konqueror,

Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }

2008-02-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Katrina wrote: dwain wrote: ie does not recognize the *. dwain IE 7 does, As do 5 and 6 (before those, don't know and don't care). After all, if IE didn't recognize the asterisk, how would the beloved Star Hack work? ***

Re: [WSG] an accessible question: server-side vs client-side validation

2008-02-12 Thread Mordechai Peller
Matt Fellows wrote: What John is saying is that AJAX is JavaScript yes, but it can also make calls to the server (using the XMLHttpRequest object) thus it validates using server-side technologies such as PHP. What you describe is what AJAX actually is; however, the term is often misused to

Re: [WSG] an accessible question: server-side vs client-side validation

2008-02-11 Thread Mordechai Peller
tee wrote: Hi, I have a question about server-side vs client-side validation. I always use a same PHP form script that works really great and it's server-side validation using condition and requirement, and I like the feature better than client-side's. A website I was working on, client wants

Re: [WSG] A Question of Semantics

2008-01-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Christian Snodgrass wrote: I have a small semantic problem that I can't make up my mind about. Basically, I have a list like this: Something: blah blah; blah; blah. The Something: is a different font size, and kind of a header for the list. I can't decide if I should just do a paragraph with

Re: [WSG] java script with firefox

2007-11-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
marvin hunkin wrote: but she noticed, that the links, would not work or show up in firefox. and using text links with a mouseover rollover. got any tips, or tricks, and how to fix this one? Marvin, You're not giving much to work with. Could you post either a link to the offending page or some

Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ross Bruniges wrote: As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to use things like: I generally agree, however: document.write If it's only discussed, but not

Re: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Thierry Koblentz wrote: This has been suggested already, It's hard to keep track, at times. but I don't think it's as clean as using legend. But legend often doesn't work. For example: Name: Address (line 1): Address (line 2): City: If we assume that both a name and a full address are

Re: [WSG] The use of asterisks in forms to indicate required fields

2007-05-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Novitski wrote: fieldset legendRequired:/legend label for=nameName:br / input type=text id=name name=name value= / /label ... That would vocalize required name, required email address,

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do at this point. CSS 3's nth-child pseudo selector http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#nth-child-pseudo would help, but

[WSG] Safari for Linux

2007-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Not actually Safari, but its rendering and JavaScript engine, Webcore. I'm still in the process of building and installing the packages (it's taking a while to compile). What I was wondering is if anyone has any experience with this, and if so, how does it compare to Safari in rendering and

Re: [WSG] commenting javascript in script tags

2007-04-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Michael MD wrote: PC-based browsers are forgiving because that's what most users prefer. I don't think most users know enough to even have a preference. The problem is that if many pages don't render properly, they are more likely to blame the browser that the sites. Strictly speaking, most

[WSG] dfn and a: Which Order?

2007-04-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Semantically, which is better: dfna/a/dfn or adfn/dfn/a My thoughts are the latter, as the dfn is closer to the word or phrase to which it's referring. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] dfn and a: Which Order?

2007-04-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: In those situations, I always try to reason it out loud to myself... In your example: is this the defining instance of a link, or are you linking a defining instance? I'd think the latter. in your case. My thoughts paralleled that, though your vocalization would

Re: [WSG] strong v's b , em v's i

2007-04-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Robby Jennings wrote: I've found this list of depreciated tags http://www.html-reference.com/depreciated.htm which lists strong and em as depreciated. I thought the b tag would be depreciated. So which is correct? What should I be using? I know I can just use span tags, and apply css,

Re: [WSG] strong v's b , em v's i

2007-04-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Apr 23, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Mordechai Peller wrote: The site is wrong, plain and simple. b and i ARE depreciated, while strong, em, and blockquote are certainly NOT. Also, the size and type attributes are also not depreciated. deprecated... [1] I knew

Re: [WSG] How to mark up a flowchart?

2007-03-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Gleitzman wrote: I have to incorporate a couple of simple flowcharts into the content of a site I'm building, I'm scratching my head about the best way to mark up this info in a semantically meaningful way. A generic example can be seen here: http://www.omnivision.com.au/test/flowchart/

Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

2007-03-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Thank to all who responded. Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Well worth reading, although some would argue that Nielsen can be overly strict in his approach to web usability. I've heard that a lot, he himself state that his finding don't apply all the time and they aren't a substitute for user testing.

[WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

2007-03-22 Thread Mordechai Peller
I know book recommendation have been discussed before, but most of the recommendation have been focused mostly on beginners. While that's very, very important, so much so that it probably deserves to be discussed many more times, what I'm currently interested in are books ranging from

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

2007-03-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Bob Schwartz wrote: I am in the process of converting my javascript library to nonobtrusive js. Where could I go for help in converting these? Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems? *** List

Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices

2007-03-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Barney Carroll wrote: Excuse my ignorance. It seems then, that all the best opportunities for designers to optimise for small devices and screen readers are being usurped by the developers. Do they really know better? In most cases, sadly they do. The vast majority of sites can't be viewed

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

2007-03-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:44:59, Bob Schwartz wrote: var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write(copy; +yr); myplace which gives me: © 2007 myplace Here's my pathetic attempt: window.onload = function() { var para = document.createElement(p); var

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

2007-03-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 1 Mar 2007, at 20:03:30, Mordechai Peller wrote: Nick Fitzsimons wrote: window.onload = function() { var year = new Date().getFullYear(); var text = © + year + myplace); var p = document.createElement(p); p.appendChild(document.createTextNode(text

[WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
I need to mark-up a document (XHTML) written in English, but which includes some Hebrew words. I'm trying to decide the following: 1. How should the words be marked-up: span, dfn, or just leave them in the flow? 2. Is the bdo element needed, or just the dir attribute? 3. How should the

Re: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Noone wrote: Your greatest problem may be deciding which encoding to use. Probably utf-8. If your English language text will be inlcined to use a broad spectrum of characters I don't understand what you mean. it may be prudent to use images for the Hebrew words That wouldn't be very

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
Gez Lemon wrote: The name attribute is formerly deprecated for...form...in XHTML 1.0, and deleted from XHTML 1.1. From form, yes, but not from the various form elements such as input /, where it may in fact be required for proper functioning, though valid without. While I'm sure most of you

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Noone wrote: I'd tinkered with a[name]:hover but I'm loathe to create a style for this. I don't think hiding them is th eoption either. Why not use a class (a name=... class=named/a) as a[name] doesn't yet work on IE, never mind any browser which doesn't understand jumping to an id.

Re: [WSG] clean forms with javascript injected for a site demo

2005-10-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Ottery wrote: I consider this to be definately in the realm of best practices and at a stretch good xhtml practice, in terms of keeping the xhtml markup clean. (ie: i hope very much this isnt too off topic for this list :) If I understand correctly what you're looking for, take a look

Re: [WSG] javascripts and standards

2005-10-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jad Madi wrote: I want to start learning coding JS, but as usual I want to stick with the standards, I know there is a lot of tutorials out there, but I'm looking for a book, It's important to realize that JavaScript programing and DOM scripting are two different things. As ist happens, DOM

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-15 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Pack wrote: Sure. But if you are only testing your own sites, and not surfing the web with them, then it shouldn't be much of a risk. Assuming the site hasn't been hacked, there should be ZERO additional risk beyond just being connected.

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-15 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Ottery wrote: fwiw, I forgot about testing in IE4 about 3 years ago. I still like to make things look ok in IE5.0 but if some text is butting up against the edge of a container due to it not supporting some float issue or something, i dont worry about it. Its usually a better story with

Re: [WSG] But why didn't Eric use positioning

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: The same happens when you use floats inside a container: if you don't have something as the last item of the container to clear them, the container will collapse. That's not always true. If the container is also floated, it DOES expand to contain child floats.

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Hope Stewart wrote: pstrongAll correspondence should be addressed to:/strongbr / The Secretarybr / Your Clubbr / PO Box 999br / Anytown VIC 3000/p This may be a good case for an address tag: pAll correspondence should be addressed to:/p address spanThe Secretary/span spanYour Club/span

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mike Brown wrote: Ok, I'll bite and ask why would you not use br / in the address example above? Aren't the semantics of an address that the different elements are (usually) on separate lines? You answered your own question: Parts of an address are *usually*, but *not always*, written on

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Terrence Wood wrote: span has absolutely no semantic value, That's not quite true. The spans used in the previous examples do have semantic value: they group together parts of an address. Admittedly, that might not be much, but it's not nothing.

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Graham Cook wrote: If BR is good enough for W3C, it's good enough for me. Refer: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html Sure, back in March 1995 when HTML 3.0 was released as a recommendation. ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lea de Groot wrote: Curiosity - why use a span and apply display: block? Why not just use a div in the first place? What are we gaining that I have missed? It's invalid: !ELEMENT address %Inline; ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jon Tan wrote: It's arguable whether address applies to the whole resource or just a document within it, In many cases, the contact information for a document and that of its site are the same. This is especially true on a Contact Us or an About Us type page.

Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Alan Trick wrote: The problem with testing has been argued about. The fact that Nielsen only surveyed his subscribers, most of whom are quite different from Joe User, probably provided different result than if more 'average' testing was done. Except, as has been pointed out, these results echoed

Re: [WSG] css variables

2005-10-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
Drake, Ted C. wrote: Here’s the deal. I have a main navigation css. I’d like to create an alternate template and instead of replacing the nav.css with a new flavored nav.css, I’d like to put my color rules in a theme css file. Since I've only glanced at the solutions referred to in some of

Re: [WSG] validation error - blockquote

2005-09-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: You need to have a block level container inside your blockquote...can't just have pure content. So, for instance: blockquote phere's the quote/p /blockquote While that's true for XHTML, it's not the case for HTML.

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

2005-08-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Gleitzman wrote: In general, you should recommend that they examine the code of well written, semantically correct pages. Sure, but first you have to teach them to recognise such things... Learning what the tags are is easy, especially if you have a chart at hand. Learning how to

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

2005-08-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: Since the questioner specifically asked for online resources I held off a response. But what the heck! I bought O'Reilly's HTML XHTML: The Definitive Guide and love it. Technically speaking, it is available online, just not (legally) for free. AFAIK, all of

Re: [WSG] Online Resources for HTML Beginners

2005-08-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm confident in teaching them the *absolute* basics, but if the people in the class want to go on to be coders, which online resources would you recommend? http://htmldog.com is a good site. In general, you should recommend that they examine the code of well

Re: [WSG] Logic?

2005-08-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Prabhath Sirisena wrote: Makes a lot of sense. Floated elements don't take up any space in the container (i.e. the container will not contain them). That's not 100% true. If, for example, the container is also floated, it will expand to contain the float.

Re: [WSG] What not to do for colour blind users

2005-07-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
James Ellis wrote: The box below contains a row of random letters. Most of the letters are coloured white, some are highlighted. Please enter ONLY the RED HIGHLIGHTED characters in the order in which they appear in the box below and press GO. If it's only red or white letters on a black

Re: [WSG] Making a container div the same height as the longest div in it in mozilla browsers.

2005-07-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ben Wrighton - StraightForward wrote: Works in IE and Opera but in all the Mozilla browsers I've tested in (Netscape, Firefox and Mozilla) the container doesn't wrap around the divs. I know it's something to do with all the divs in the container div being floated. If anyone can tell me how to

Re: [WSG] Javascript inserted alt text

2005-07-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Josh Rose wrote: I'm using javascript for an image slideshow, I've written the script and unhappily remembered the alt text. I don't want generic alt text for the whole lot, because the subject changes, so I need to have javascript insert new alt text for each image. As the purpose of alt

Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?

2005-06-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: PHP can go hand in hand with Content Negotiation! Check out this link: http://keystonewebsites.com/articles/mime_type.php Read through the article - it explains how it works very well. Since XHTML is merely a reformulation of HTML, you can use the HTTP_ACCEPT header to

Re: [WSG] Selectors

2005-06-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Kennon wrote: My anger with MS, particularly IE, deluged again. So I ask has this browser moved from the dark ages, allowing use of the following: Child Selectors Adjacent Sibling Selectors Attribute Selectors As it stands now, they might add them to a future release, though I think

Re: [WSG] Clash of nested lists

2005-06-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: The reason I cannot simply put both icons into a tags is that they have to be separated by more than just space for accessibility reasons. So this: a href=/edit title=Editimg src=edit.png alt=Edit //a a href=/delete title=Deleteimg src=delete.png

Re: [WSG] Marking up lists with title

2005-06-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris W. Parker wrote: What is the recommended way to mark up a list that has a title? FWIW, XHTML 2 has the exact feature you're looking for, but since I don't recall the exact syntax, the standard isn't even a standard yet, and there's no browser support yet, I'll leave it to you to look

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: *{margin: 0; padding: 0} ???

2005-06-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote: So...will *{margin: 0 padding:0} in the HTML or Body declaration block zero the margin and padding properties for all child elements in one go? For all elements, yes (not just child elements, written like that). Additionally, the

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The basic CSS syntax is as follows: html {height: 100%; margin-bottom: 1px;} body {margin: 0; padding: 0; text-align: center; font: normal 12px verdana, arial, sans-serif; background: #fff;} #container {margin: 0 auto; width: 760px;} Regarding margins and padding,

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point of clarification. I understood that margin: 0 auto worked in IE6, but IE 5.0 and 5.5 required the use of text-align: center in the body rule therefore why do I need margin: 0 auto in both the body and container? You don't need to set the margins of the body to

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do teach the students about em, keywords and pixels, etc. based font size and allow them to make up their own minds. I understand the issue pertaining to accessibility and zooming text, but my personal preference is using pixels. Fair enough, it's your choice. But

Re: [WSG] Class Discusion: Centering a Fixed Width Layout

2005-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
David Laakso wrote: I would *not* recommend using em for font size on the body, as it triggers a re-sizing bug in IE. Don't declare any font-size on the body. And use percent or em thereafter(if even necessary). Or, declare 100.01% percent on the body. And use percent or em thereafter(if

Re: [WSG] WCAG 1.0 §10.5

2005-04-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Piero Fissore wrote: Someone told me that it doesn't consider those links separated because of the the printed point of the li element. That someone says that in the guideline - at the point 10.5 - they speak about separate adiacent links with PRINTED character: this is true, but I can't believe

Re: [WSG] Standard this

2005-02-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document.

Re: [WSG] Class -vs- ID

2005-01-12 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: What is the advantage of an ID over simply giving something an ID?? Besides the benefits of greater CSS selector specificity than classes and its use as a target for URLs, ids also convey a semantic value which is different than a class and can be referred to via

Re: [WSG] ATO - shame shame shame...

2005-01-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: I can't get my digital certificate without installing IE again... It is GONE! I dont want it. I dont want NN either (its good, but I love my firefox)... Can they force me to download IE to complete my business registration? The site also requires a Java applet to be

Re: [WSG] Conditional comments

2005-01-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Using apache mod_rewrite and PHP you can make all PNG 'files' to actually contain GIF, if requested by explorer. Actually, with the help of filters, IE can render PNGs properly. With that in mind, you can use JavaScript in the header to set a cookie and then have the

Re: [WSG] Intro and first question

2005-01-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Moncus wrote: In looking over the W3C's documentation and such I got the hang of it and have been using the Bobby Validator for Section 508 validation ( http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp ). I want to make sure that I am doing things correctly though. Could any of you

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for object dimensions/units

2004-12-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rimantas Liubertas wrote: p400abbr title=millimetresmm/abbr times; 800abbr title=millimetresmm/abbr times; 200abbr title=millimetresmm/abbr/p Am I the only one thinking about abbr title=millimetresmm/abbr as overkill? Overkill? Maybe the first occurrence. By the time you get to the third

Re: [WSG] making money out of web standards

2004-12-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Wong Chin Shin wrote: Sorry, don't really understand what you mean by your statement below. The XSL document may not be readable but the XML can be set to be as readable and descriptive as we want it to? I think what Kornel meant (with some possible elucidations from me) was that XML/XSLT, while

Re: [WSG] Critique

2004-12-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: I just redid my personal blog, moving from movabletype to wordpress, and wanted some critique on design. For the most part, the design looks fine, a bit too dark, perhaps, but otherwise fine. From a functional standpoint I do have a couple of criticisms. First, at my

Re: [WSG] Critique

2004-12-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: Header image is now 34KB It is still sharp and much faster to load. I really love how it looks also when the page is resized now - thanks! You're welcome. I think it even looks alright when the text gets overlapped (though fortunately, it takes a lot of resizing before that

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: I can't speak for everybody, but as the person responsible for designing and creating websites whose sole purpose is to bring new business into the company; my main focus is the majority that comes to our sites. As I though I explained before, and as I'll try to clarify some

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: The bashing of head against the proverbial brick wall comes from trying to make my standards-compliant sites work the same in FF/Opera/NN/Safari as they do in IE. I first make sure the sites look and perform the way I want in both MSIE 5 and 6. After that is successful, I

Re: [WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
Collin Davis wrote: Since IE doesn't recognize :hover apart from anchor tags, I only use :hover on anchor tags. As I have done as well. Though now I'm wondering why not just use an onmouseover, hidden by either conditional comments or conditional compilation, as well? However, if NN4.x was

[WSG] Why style to IE?

2004-12-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Something I've been thinking about: Why do people limit themselves to CSS which IE and handle? Lest I be misunderstood, please allow me to explain. Most of IE's CSS failings can be simulated with JavaScript, so why not take advantage of it? For the most part, for those who wouldn't see the

Re: [WSG] Content box not stretching as expected

2004-12-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jonathan T. Sage wrote: ideally the content of the page should be truly centered, but I have been unsuccsessful in making #content the full width of the page. In Firefox, #content{right:0} works, but it didn't seem to work in IE (which is what I unfortunately expected). The best solution,

Re: [WSG] Unordered list as Path won't wrap

2004-12-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Miles Tillinger wrote: However in situations where the path is extremely long the list will not wrap and breaks my layout, so I've had to float the div so it will wrap. This in turn causes problems with the title if the path information goes beyond one line. I checked both Firefox 1.0 and IE6 and

Re: [WSG] rationalising my refusal to support IE/NS4

2004-12-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nick Cowie wrote: Get hold of their web logs or from a similar site, you should find the combined IE4/NS4 and earlier browsers account for less than 0.5% of all vistors (it is with our sites) and seeing a sizeable chunk ( a least a third) of those are using NS3, IE3 or NS4.04 (bad javascript)

Re: [WSG] Need better markup

2004-12-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: dl ddimg src=../images/rodriguezLO.jpg alt=Photo of Gina Rodriguez height=108 width=72/dd dtGina Rodriguez/dt ddAccount Manager/dd ddExt. 2412/dd /dl Ted, I don't think your dl's are very semantic, though they could (and should) be. A dl is a list (even a list of one, which

Re: [WSG] images and the dl

2004-12-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: As for the image being a definition term,...why wouldn't it be semantic? I don't know the W3C codes by heart, so I could easily be missing an important part of the puzzle and would be interested in seeing what I am missing. dl ddimg/dd dtName/dt ddTitle/dd ddExt/dd /dl

Re: [WSG] images breaking out of their bounding box in MSIE/win

2004-12-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: I have a nagging CSS problem I don't understand... I guess a click on a link will say more than a thousand words: While I don't see what the source of the problem, I can put you on the proper path to fixing it. 1. Clean up you errors. Your page doesn't validate.

Re: [WSG] images breaking out of their bounding box in MSIE/win

2004-12-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
Todd Baker wrote: Try applying this fix... http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html to the .entry selector.. Won't help; IE doesn't understand generated content. Besides, that fix is for non-IE browsers and the problem is in IE. **

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Tim Burgan wrote: Is it necessary to test the same browser on different platforms (e.g. IE6 on Win2000 AND WinXP), or ok to just test all available windows browsers in XP? Believe it or not, sometime yes. I've had different results with IE5 on Win9x and WinXP (In truth, the CSS was a little

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
JohnyB wrote: I use http://www.browsercam.com, its got practically every UA Well, it's really good and useful service. However if you need to test the styles and edit them on-the-fly, it's a bit difficult. Anyways... it's still a great idea... Doesn't help it you need to test JavaScript or

Re: [WSG] Checking in as many browsers as possible

2004-12-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
David R wrote: From what I read, the port of IE 5/Mac to OSX didn't go well; it's almost a different browser. Indeed, you cannot compare IE5/Mac to IE5/Win, they were both developed independenly of each other... they use different rendering engines, and IE5/Mac was the first browser ever to

Re: [WSG] delay in dropdown menu loading in IE

2004-12-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
justin randell wrote: i noticed the following post here: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource364.cfm but i think it was intended for the list, so i've posted it. thanks justin Resources css drop down menu loading delay Posted: Thursday 16 December, 2004 By: charlie wu hi, i've wrote a drop

Re: [WSG] Nested cites?

2004-12-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote: I'm beginning to suspect nested cites might make sense sometimes. You may have a point. It's kind of like nested quotes. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] noscript in xhtml1.0 strict

2004-12-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Brian Cummiskey wrote: div script type='text/javascript' src='java.js'/script noscript diva href=nojava.htmlNo JavaScript user link/a/div /noscript /div Even better would be to remove the script tag from the body and put it in the head (with the code itself in an external

Re: [WSG] formatting the a tag

2004-12-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: Start at the beginning. If you want to style every a element on the page, you can do: a:link { color: red;} Not quite true; that will only style anchors which have a href attribute. If, for some reason you have one without a href (although I can't think of a good reason

Re: [WSG] repositioning markup

2004-12-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Tim Burgan wrote: How are these tags styled with CSS so that there are positioned in and out of order on the page with no relation to each other.. but when viewed in a text browser it viewed in it's original order. It can be done using a combination of floats, positioning, and margins

Re: [WSG] Image Transitions Without Flash (URL fixed)

2004-12-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: On the Mac side, it works correctly in Firefox 1.0, Safari, 1.2.3, Netscape 7.2. The images change in IE 5.2 but no fade; nothing happens (stays on the first image and doesn't advance) in Opera 6.03. Thanks for the feedback. Regarding Opera 6, it either doesn't support

Re: [WSG] Image Transitions Without Flash (URL fixed)

2004-12-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marilyn Langfeld wrote: I just downloaded Opera 7. I thought it was only available for purchase, but see it's available with ads, as 6 is. Tried the slideshow. No transitions, but the slides to move now (is that because you fixed the show) Since I had only uploaded the fixed JavaScript moments

Re: [WSG] Video Files

2004-12-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Larry Rappaport wrote: 30 meg is pretty slow even with broadband. Even with a T1 at maximum utilization it would take around 3 minutes; slightly more than the recommended 8 seconds for a page load. ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-10 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Why do you let 8-year-old browser to stop you from making good pages? I agree; it's bad enough we need to cater to IE56. I look forward to when it's enough for the page to look all right in IE 6 and be functional, but not necessarily as good nor as function as it would be

Re: [WSG] XHTML and Forums - A Red Rag and the Bull

2004-12-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Steven Clark wrote: Agree or not its a common event nowdays to be accosted by some one-issue madman or another over some standards related issue, not all of them in proper perspective either. I saw one of the threads to which you were referring at webdeveloper.com. I think you would have been

Re: [WSG] a quick target question

2004-12-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Veine K Vikberg wrote: So it's not WAI that's unforgiving, but Bobby in its miopic application of the guidelines (which are, at this stage, already quite out of date in many areas such as the one discussed here). There is really a quite simple solution, which is what you

Re: [WSG] No skipping to content needed?

2004-12-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ben Curtis wrote: A lot of people put an in-page anchor at the top to skip navigation or skip to main content. Are there any hidden gotchas with simply putting the navigation last and positioning it first? With all the discussion about whether content or navigation first is better for the

Re: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kevin Futter wrote: Less important doesn't mean not important. Exactly, which is why I didn't say not important ... ...which is a reason why it is unlike a sentence. The words of a sentence need their organization within the sentence to be useful. You can slice it and dice it however you

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