RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
Enough said. So nothing changes. Good. It would be nice if this could be properly documented in Mr Allsopp's new project. Bad examples are littered throughout the Web and do nothing to help novices or the greater good. -Original Message- From: Felix Miata Sent: Wednesday, 21 December

RE: [WSG] Re: Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
Exactly so. I have, however, noticed that I also need to apply a 100% font-size to - td, ul, ol, li, p, form - to stop inheritance problems though. This seems to be erratic and something I still haven't completely worked out. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
We have to start somewhere and building for the majority would seem to make sense, otherwise why would we even bother how our sites looked in IE? :) That being said, we are also all about making the Web accessible for 'everyone'. In the case of people who change their browser settings, they have

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
My greatest discovery was seeing how images could be sized using % at WebEssentials. :) My greatest let-down was learning that it wasn't supported in IE. :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
Nice work Georg. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2005 3:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes Samuel Richardson wrote: What's the best, cross-browser

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
There's no prize Graham but I'm gonna say, Aww...shucks anyway. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2005 9:21 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in

RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-21 Thread Paul Noone
It's a God-send. If only it had been properly explained sooner. Fortunately my recent conversion to virtually tableless websites means I do't have many changes to make. :) -- Paul A Noone Webmaster, ASHM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Dropped DIV dilemma

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Noone
Subject: Re: [WSG] Dropped DIV dilemma If you have to have that many fixes in place for a page that is that simple then your doing something wrong. Paul Noone wrote: Cheers all. I know there's a lot to wde through but most of the fixes, widths and relative positions in place were put in to fix

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Noone
So setting the font size for the html element to 100.01% and then adjusting it in the body (or elsewhere) is no longer recommended? I tried to find fault with Owen Briggs' Text Sizing http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/index.html article which uses a simple declaration of

RE: [WSG] Setting Up Font Sizes

2005-12-20 Thread Paul Noone
size to 100% and then setting individual elements to ems is how I do all my pages. As far as I know it is the recommended method so users have control of their own viewport. Regards, Ric Paul Noone wrote: So setting the font size for the html element to 100.01% and then adjusting

RE: [WSG] narrowing the gap between h3 and ul-help

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
I think your negative margins are getting the better of you. Because both elements directly follow each other there shouldn't be any need to do anything othet than set H# bottom and UL/LI top margins and padding to 0. The change below worked for me. .mainleft ul { margin-top: 0px;

RE: [WSG] to many links, was narrowing the gap

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
The client will *always* come back with items they've not considered until later and they will *always* see them as having enough importance to warrant being part of the main menu structure. Navigation is a beach and its elements can become as numerous as the grains of sand that accumulate in the

RE: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
I see a pattern forming. ;) We do love our definitions on this list. FWIW I think a framework is what we're after, which may just include links to real world solutions that are standards based. An awesome under-taking. I'd love to see it happen. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Whither IE for the Mac

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
You'll probably want to archive a copy or two now for testing purposes Why on earth would I want to do that? :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Lapcewich Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 10:51 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

[WSG] Dropped DIV dilemma

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
Problem: http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/index.php?module=Newsid=cntnt01cntn t01action=detailcntnt01articleid=8cntnt01returnid=11 The Site Updates div gets pushed way down the page. And I've got no idea why/ Strangely all is well in IE (with all the hacks in place I'd hope so!). This

RE: [WSG] Dropped DIV dilemma

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 3:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Dropped DIV dilemma Paul Noone wrote: Problem: http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/index.php?module=Newsid=cntnt0 1cntn t01action=detailcntnt01articleid=8cntnt01returnid=11 The Site Updates div gets

RE: [WSG] Dropped DIV dilemma

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
Got it. It was the clearfix class applied to the content div directly above which contained no floated items. I'm sure something else has broken now but that's for another day. Thanks again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Noone

RE: [WSG] Frames ?

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Noone
As one last comment I'd add that pop-ups and new window targets are very different beasts. An accessible popup is almost but not quite impossible, although always less desirable than a simple target="_blank". --Paul A NooneWebmaster, ASHM[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] webpatterns and patternquiz

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Noone
Love the idea. I don't think it should be a replacement for many things which are best learnt through hard expereince, but rather a 7 steps to success guide for building a standards-based website. Sure, you could include best practice code samples, particularly for off-page techniques etc. But I

RE: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Stephen, Another point worth mentioning, which was raised by my all-seeing manager, is that even though people's default screen resolution generally falls in the 1024x768 mark, they often browse in a smaller window. This kind of throws a spanner in the works for those wanting to boost the

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-15 Thread Paul Noone
2005 8:51 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Justify this On 15/12/05 4:27 PM, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kevin, That's just another limitation of the parameter. Justified text actually comes in several flavours - left, right and both. Actually, that's quite

RE: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
The fact that the text-only version fails basic checkpoints is very disappointing however. I don't know about the rest of you but I certaily let them know my feelings via email. Strength in numbers and all that. There's been a lot of MM propaganda around of late with regards to high-profile

[WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on this one. I want to centre align text and justify it at the same time. I've applied the following mark-up which, surprisingly, does the trick. But can justify be applied as an optional extra parameter, or does this just work

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
] Justify this what are you applying it to? a heading or a paragraph of text? -Original Message- From: Paul Noone To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: 15/12/05 14:18 Subject: [WSG] Justify this Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on this one. I want to centre

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 2:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Justify this Paul Noone wrote: Hopefully a quick question, I hoope, as the W3C specs are no help on this one. No, they are usually always helpful but you need to know what you're

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
, Lisa Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 2:59 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org ' Subject: RE: [WSG] Justify this Justified text really isn't a good idea in terms of usability/readability. Maybe there was a conscious effort not to support it :) -Original Message- From: Paul Noone

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
] Justify this no, I'm a comedian every day, it's just that I don't post every day :P but seriously, are you adding paragraphs of justified text to the page...? (irrespective of which element you're using to mark up). -Original Message- From: Paul Noone To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
Webmaster, ASHM [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Futter Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 3:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Justify this On 15/12/05 2:49 PM, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

RE: [WSG] Justify this

2005-12-14 Thread Paul Noone
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Justify this Paul Noone wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Paul Noone wrote: I want to centre align text and justify it at the same time. I've applied the following mark-up which, surprisingly, does the trick. text-align:center justify; p { width: 50%; margin: 0 auto

RE: [WSG] Abbreviations and Acronyms

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Kat, you've actually got your definitions in the wrong order. An acronym is a word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAG. It can be pronounced as 'wag' OR 'W.A.G', depending on your fancy. An abbreviation is just that, the abreviation of a common word for the purpose of

RE: [WSG] Abbreviations and Acronyms

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Noone
At the end of the day what are we trying to achieve by using these tags? Does semantically correct code take precedence over usability? IMO, provided you are somehow offering a visible definition of the acronym or abbreviation - be it by use of a specific tag, or the ill-fated title attribute -

RE: [WSG] Abbreviations and Acronyms

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Noone
Makes good sense to me. Otherwise why stop at acronym? Next thing you'd have tags for slang, idiom, abstract, outline, summary...the list goes on. What we're trying to do is display a descriptive meaning. All this should be achived by way ofa singleattribute to a tag. I still don't see why

RE: [WSG] CSS and the University Syllabus

2005-12-13 Thread Paul Noone
Looks good, Paula. Again, I think a table is fine for this type of data. I don't understand your problem with the caption. It serves the same purpose as your Week by Week h3 but IMO does it better. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paula

RE: [WSG] italic and validator

2005-12-11 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks for that, Russ. I hadn't come across that neat chart before. Handy reference. But now I find myself confused by a couple of the elements listed as optional (O); namely the HEAD and BODY tags. Optional? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [WSG] italic and validator

2005-12-11 Thread Paul Noone
, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for that, Russ. I hadn't come across that neat chart before. Handy reference. But now I find myself confused by a couple of the elements listed as optional (O); namely the HEAD and BODY tags. Optional? Yep. Few people know this. try it out

RE: [WSG] matter of Semantics

2005-12-08 Thread Paul Noone
That just sounds like ignorance to me but perhaps they'd be more comfortable with Table of Contents, given that most site maps are nothing more than this anyway? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerardo Chairez [Addictive Media] Sent:

RE: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Paul Noone
Not so. It depends on Apache and how it's configured. You can check how PHP is set up by creating a new PHP page and just inlcude the following: ?php phpinfo() ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005

RE: [WSG] Lengthy form buttons

2005-12-07 Thread Paul Noone
I find it hard to believe but it looks like it's using an image file to draw the button?!?! I'v enever noticed this before. Perhaps I've never had buttons that long. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Burgan Sent: Thursday, 8 December

RE: [WSG] New logo scheme was talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Paul Noone
So, given that the W3C buttons enforce compliancy by returning errors if the page isn't valid, what's wrong with them again? I actually sport mine with some pride and have had several visitors comment on the fact. Sure, some of their comments have been along the lines of what are they for? and

RE: [WSG] 2-col question

2005-12-04 Thread Paul Noone
Instead of trying to float the columns next to each other, you could avoid much pain to the brain by wrapping the fixed image column inside the content column. -- | ||| | ||| |

RE: [WSG] 2-col question

2005-12-04 Thread Paul Noone
If you have any problems the clear div being applied after the column divs (as I did) you can try applying the following to the contentwrap div, and any other container that holds floats. /* *** Float containers fix: http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/containedfloat.php *** */

RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility

2005-12-01 Thread Paul Noone
Except that they still insist on membership before you can view such pages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 4:15 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility

RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility

2005-12-01 Thread Paul Noone
You can also directly compare hundreds of CMSs and choose them based on selection criteria from this helpful site: http://cmsmatrix.org However, if you're after a simplt, straight-forward no-nonsense, accessible and XHTML compliant CMS I'm going to recommend CMS Made Simple again. It's in it's

RE: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility

2005-12-01 Thread Paul Noone
Michael Donnermeyer deftly quothed: ...if you take the time to look. Ahem. Yes. Thank you, Michael. :* ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

RE: [WSG] Noise (was) Mambo Accessibility

2005-12-01 Thread Paul Noone
Seconded. You're likely to get a more targetted response to your queries as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2 December 2005 9:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Noise (was) Mambo

RE: [WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-25 Thread Paul Noone
Cheers, Gene. After reading the exhaustive W3C tutorial on encoding I wound up not delcaring it in the CSS after all. I'm also using Source Edit (a free Windows hex/text editor) to delete the invisible single character entity that Notebook and other editors like to insert at the start of file.

RE: [WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-24 Thread Paul Noone
Cheers, Gene. After reading the exhaustive W3C tutorial on encoding I wound up not delcaring it in the CSS after all. I'm also using Source Edit (a free Windows hex/text editor) to delete the invisible single character entity that Notebook and other editors like to insert at the start of file.

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
I wouldn't be too surprised to discover that a little javascript could manipulate the numbering. Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype. ol li value=40/li ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
I hazard to mention that Dreamweaver has built-in validation for CSS acrosse various browsers. StyleMaster is probably worth checking out, too. Although there are others on this list far better equipped to dicuss its merits than I. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Sunny, what Jon and I meant was to put the span at the end of the link like this: a class=externalThe linkspan class=extimage/span/a This will force the image to appear at the nend of the link. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SunUp Sent:

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Amazing site. Nice use of pictograms. Categorising all that data must have been one hell of a job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Tan Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 1:18 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] starting

[WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Who uses an encoding declaration at the head of their external CSS style sheets? And how do you get around the UTF-8 signature or byte order mark (BOM) that some editors add to the document? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ -

RE: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Set a width or padding on your exit class that is sufficient to display the image. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SunUp Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 1:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text

RE: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Paul Noone
Your greatest problem may be deciding which encoding to use. If your English language text will be inlcined to use a broad spectrum of characters then it may be prudent to use images for the Hebrew words and put the definition in the alt tag. Who are your users?? This will help you decide which

RE: [WSG] Bi-directional text

2005-11-17 Thread Paul Noone
Of Andrew Cunningham Sent: Friday, 18 November 2005 11:14 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Bi-directional text Umm Paul Noone wrote: Your greatest problem may be deciding which encoding to use. If your English language text will be inlcined to use a broad spectrum

RE: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix

2005-11-16 Thread Paul Noone
Hey, we're all here to be entertained. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Thursday, 17 November 2005 7:22 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix On Wed, 16 Nov 2005

RE: [WSG] Fluid problems

2005-11-16 Thread Paul Noone
I'm possibly missing something huge here but couldn't you save yourself massive amounts of pain by going back to a single DIV that has a 2px grey border on it? Drop your text in there. Then just absolutely position your guitar pic in another layer. I'm sure I've missed something. -Original

RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE

2005-11-16 Thread Paul Noone
Christian Montoya sagely expounded: 99% of users have no idea... Nuff said. ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE

2005-11-15 Thread Paul Noone
Title: Can't select text on IE Why do you want to select the text? This might go some way towards providing an adequate solution that doesn't involve totally overhauling your stylsheet. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, BhuvneshSent: Wednesday, 16

RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE

2005-11-15 Thread Paul Noone
Title: Message Then sadly you'll need to dispense with any absolute divs thatobstruct the flow of the content you're trying to select. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, BhuvneshSent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 3:48 PMTo:

RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE

2005-11-15 Thread Paul Noone
Title: Message Or...View Source and copy. Assuming that's an option. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, BhuvneshSent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 3:48 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] Can't select text on IE Paul, It a simplecopy

RE: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix

2005-11-15 Thread Paul Noone
Add a 1px border to either a or img tags within the DIV's #class. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslistSent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 4:45 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] snug a border around diff sized pix I have a div that shows phots

RE: [WSG] Video of Screen Reader Use?

2005-11-13 Thread Paul Noone
I managed to convince mine by suggesting our organsiation's website as an example site during the screen reading element of an accessibility conference. She was present...and far less amused than I. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [WSG] css instead of JS(ajax)

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Noone
Using a PNG you could achieve a similar effect. This was actually demoed at WE05. You should be able to find the presentation and podcast on the WE05 website. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jad Madi Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 6:17

RE: [WSG] Scalable background-image?

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Noone
I'm going with 'no' here. I've seen some cool stuff with % in layered divs but no bg images. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 8:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Scalable

RE: [WSG] css instead of JS(ajax)

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Noone
Damn these infernal acronyms. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2005 9:10 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] css instead of JS(ajax) Paul Noone wrote: Using a PNG you could

RE: [WSG] Firefox onblur and onfocus event bubbling bug

2005-11-06 Thread Paul Noone
You must Focas. Sorry, couldn't resist. :P Thanks for the heads-up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Focas, GrantSent: Monday, 7 November 2005 12:12 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Firefox onblur and onfocus event bubbling bug Hi

RE: [WSG] List not showing top and bottom border

2005-11-03 Thread Paul Noone
Title: Message Play around with your margin and padding on the a elements - padding: 0.2em 1em;. It's probably pushing the borders out. I've got a list for horizontal navigation where the first list item wouldn't show it's right border (separator) in IE no matter what I did in the

RE: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Julián, H1 should only be used once, generally as your page title. In the detail view of an article the article's titleshould be an H1,unless your article pages always carry the parent title of e.g. News, in which case you would use H2 or lower. H2 headings and lower can be used

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
Tia, Can u be more specific? Apart from the interminable load time the page and form both look good. Very pretty layout. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslistSent: Thursday, 3 November 2005 9:50 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] color

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
] color overflow in pc ie fieldset thanks :)Yeah the load time sux but even if i cut it it doesnt save enough to make it go faster.heres what it looks like on my pc with ie6http://www.jamwerx.com/form1.jpg From: "Paul Noone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:57

RE: [WSG] color overflow in pc ie fieldset

2005-11-02 Thread Paul Noone
.png (on ff mac)where as this one, there is some grey extending up over border towards the top (on ie6 pc)http://www.jamwerx.com/form1.jpgthe form works just there is now some color overflow outside of the fieldsetdave From: "Paul Noone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 02,

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-01 Thread Paul Noone
The programmers dont want me to do any coding or as little as possible-so as not to step on thier toes. Don't just step, STOMP! If they're not going to do their job right then let it be known there is someone who can...and provide the reasons why. At the end of the day, if it can save time and

RE: [WSG] Sorry for the OT

2005-11-01 Thread Paul Noone
Did you have your Out Of Office Assistants on? This will automatically get you bounced to the digest, or even off the list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2005 1:20 AM To:

RE: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-01 Thread Paul Noone
That and clean XHTML is easier to hand-code than tables... Without wanting to open a can of worms here; how so? Do you mean in conjunction with CSS, or just that XHTML markup is cleaner than that of HTML? ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks guys. Patrick is right. I'd already validated the code and it came up fine. The reason I've run into this little problem is because, unlike HTML, XHTML seems to require that the a tag surrounds some text. Perhaps an nbsp; would do it? The named anchor is picking up the color of the a:link

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Noone
to a:link don't effect anchors. See example http://www.damienhill.com/tests/links/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 7:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors Thanks

RE: [WSG] help on making this link validate

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Noone
You could just try hex encoding the address. There are several utilities available that will convert an email (or any other address) to its hexadecimal value. It's not bulletproof but, then, what is. And it validates. FYI, Smarty (PHP template system) has this built-in. From: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites

2005-10-30 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks, Sam. That was useful. I've been looking for official-looking third-party confitmation of this description. It's now being printed out and will be framed and mounted by end of day. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel

RE: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites

2005-10-30 Thread Paul Noone
You know, you CAN be semantic to a point. Usability is directly related to accessibility. If a site's unusable, ot difficult to navigate, then it is inaccessible. Nuff said, peeps. Let's get back to some real work. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard

[WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-30 Thread Paul Noone
Hiya, When using XHTML strict named anchors need to surround some link text, yes? Does anyone have a standard approach to unstyling named anchors I this case which will work cross-browser? I'd tinkered with a[name]:hover but I'm loathe to create a style for this. I don't think hiding them is th

RE: [WSG] Text within tables

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Kenny, Yes, that makes perfect sense. So, for example, if I want to put a single word into a table cell - e.g. THCategory/TH - for it to be semantically correct, should it be wrapped in P tags? It's hardly a paragraph and contains no other inline elements. But if I were to use - e.g. THSelect

RE: [WSG] Text within tables

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Noone
They're just there for emphasis. Trust me. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny Graham Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 4:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Text within tables THCategory/TH - for it to be

RE: [WSG] nowrap: nowrap

2005-10-26 Thread Paul Noone
Title: Message white-space: nowrap; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, BhuvneshSent: Thursday, 27 October 2005 12:30 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] nowrap: nowrapImportance: High Hi, Is there any way to specify a"nowrap"for content

RE: [WSG] Trouble getting 3rd column to extend to footer

2005-10-25 Thread Paul Noone
Hi Bruce, Have you considered using to main divs with a background pic applied left and right, respectively, to achieve color and then adding your columns over that with fixed width? This is the only way I managed to get it to work without scripting and seems a common enough technique.

RE: [WSG] Argh! Clearing issues with center column

2005-10-24 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks awesomely for all those who helped point me in the right direction. After attempting innumerable hacks I finally found the one I wanted. For those who are interested the problem was, naturally, an IE bug. The less famous 'italic' bug to be precise. Usually this bug only manifests itself

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Paul Noone
If you're using PHP/mySQL then you could always write a simple function like below, or use PHP's built-in nl2br() function. //Clean-up function to remove BRs and whitespace from data wihtout hurting the HTML function nl2br_skip_html($string) { // remove any carriage

RE: [WSG] specifying width of pre

2005-10-24 Thread Paul Noone
Am I the only one getting blank replies from Joshua? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Street Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 3:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] specifying width of pre

[WSG] Argh! Clearing issues with center column

2005-10-23 Thread Paul Noone
Hi guys, I know this isn't an easy one to crack. I've applied all the latest bleeding-edge clearing techniques but my center column's content still drops away at various widths when you resize the browser window. I'd always thought that it occurred when the 3rd column's content was higher but

RE: [WSG] Argh! Clearing issues with center column

2005-10-23 Thread Paul Noone
Yeah, I tried that first. I've now applied it to all nested containers that contain a floated DIV but the center still drops. I just can't seem to figure this out. It only occurs on some pages but I haven't been able to determine exactly what is causing it. Maybe it's HRs, or long URLs. I just

RE: [WSG] Set min-width using DOM

2005-10-21 Thread Paul Noone
I won't blush too hard if you mention my name. ;) If you let me know when it's up that'd be great too. Really, though, I didn't create anything new, I just applied it. The current test URL is here - http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/ - but please don't check the site for validation. I've

RE: [WSG] Set min-width using DOM

2005-10-20 Thread Paul Noone
It seems to work from IE 5.x up. Not in the Mac version but what does? ;) I've just added the line to the page container style in my primary stylesheet. Works like a treat and doesn't appear to affect Mozilla/Firefox. Haven't checked other browsers but am eager for feedback. -Original

RE: [WSG] Set min-width using DOM

2005-10-20 Thread Paul Noone
So we're very close here then? Would something like this be appropriate and still validate? !--[if IE] style type=text/css@import IE-override.css;/style ![endif]-- -Original Message- From: Lachlan Hardy G'day Christian, The expression code that Paul used (and which I often use