Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (22/12/09)
Guys, Shouldn't this be a separate thread? Thx Pete On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Rimantas Liubertas riman...@gmail.comwrote: It obviously worked in provoking discussion. Where do you see discussion there? Does keep them coming count as one? I am all for them coming but I'd like some QA applied to them too. (And I reserve the right to keep my opinion about the original commenter to myself ;-) Don't be shy. I will stick to my right (I hope I have one) to call BS when I see it. Just as I did five years ago when Vlad was pushing similar FUD about HTML on this same list. Now seems like he has a new target. Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt I was discussing the quality of the posts on rebuildingtheweb.com. I still think that this groups deserves better than writings of the guy who calls end tags elements and thinks that missing end tags for html and body elements in HTML4 is invalid markup. Seems Russ and you opted to discuss me instead. Do you think that quote still applies? Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- -- Peter Costello +61 437 673 901 http://www.petercostello.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] WSG Meetings for the rest of us
Hey Chris, Keen as to hook something up. I went to about 4 or 5 Sydney Meetings befor I moved to London. Surely theres a big enough standards community that a monthly gig could get organised. Don't know how you go about organising such events. List Dads, is this something that could work? Cheers Pete On 6/9/05, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, as it might be technically easier, providing an audio (MP3/OGG) file of the seminars and the presentation slides would be great. Anyone else in the UK want to have our own meeting and show the Ozzies how it's really done? ;0) Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2005 05:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] WSG Meetings for the rest of us Hey don't forget us folks up in Darwin, we may be in Australia but we are still miles away! A webcast or streaming video would be great. Cheers *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** Adam Burmister (DSL AK) To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: acom.co.nzSubject: RE: [WSG] WSG Meetings for the rest of us Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sgroup.org 09/06/2005 12:54 PM Please respond to wsg Somebody should webcast the live event. I'd love to attend in person, but I'm stuck in Auckland :( (Damn cold too)! Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kazuhito Kidachi Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2005 3:17 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] WSG Meetings for the rest of us 2005/6/9, Cole Kuryakin - x7m [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Man, oh man, would I love to attend some (pretty much all) of the meetings, seminars and discussions being hosted/held by WSG - but they seem to all be in Sydney. Me too. I'm in Japan and I can understand what you feel. So, if some resources like slides or short minutes are available for each meeting, all of the rest of us would be happy, I believe. BTW, now some people living in Tokyo are thinking about planning local meeting as a part of WSG. So my question is, how to setup such a local meeting. Is it only inputting time/place info on the WSG site? Australia, Philippines and Japan are located in almost same time zone. In future, we may share the same experience at the same time. It's just my thought. Kazuhito -- Kazuhito Kidachi mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Definition Lists
Thanks Guys much apreciated. On 5/20/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:17:19 +0100, Peter Costello wrote: However, even though theres only one item, the dl seems like the most appropriate tag. Yep, if semantically its a list which just happens to have only one item to have only one item then a definition list makes sense. HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Definition Lists
Quick question about DLs I want to use a definition list to mark up particular items throughout a page. Definition Title Definition Data I guess my question is, is it semantically ok to use a definition list when the list has only one item (which technically is not a list)? However, even though theres only one item, the dl seems like the most appropriate tag. -- -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] suckerfish and ie 5.2 mac
Hi, ie 5.2 mac seems to be ignoring the styles for my menu. I've had a quick look on google and have found some other issues but not what I need. My Nav should be displaying inline but isn't in ie 5.2 mac? Is this a common issue? the site validates as xhtml 1 transitional and is at: http://domestik.net styles are at: http://domestik.net/styles.css Apologies for the css, its a little messy. The offending styles are: #navigation etc. Also, mac users, many people still using ie5.2? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Pete -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Negative Margins
You could nest your three columns in a wrapper div under your header and position everything absolute from there, avoiding the need for negative margins. It is using html for presentation, sorta, but probably a lesser evil than your -80 issue. You could call your wrapper content for added semantic flavour. Personally, I have used and think negative margins can be great to acheive the effect of something extending outside its containing box but would generally avoid for standard positioning. If it feels dirty, it probably is. Cheers Pete -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Negative Margins
Yeah, or what you said. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:53:00 +1100, Peter Costello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could nest your three columns in a wrapper div under your header and position everything absolute from there, avoiding the need for negative margins. It is using html for presentation, sorta, but probably a lesser evil than your -80 issue. You could call your wrapper content for added semantic flavour. Personally, I have used and think negative margins can be great to acheive the effect of something extending outside its containing box but would generally avoid for standard positioning. If it feels dirty, it probably is. Cheers Pete -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net -- -- Peter Costello www.domestik.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
Im sure all the standards type stuff is in order so I won't comment on that. From a design point of view, the otiginal, as bad as it is contains a little more personality. The redesign, whilst contry in its colours, could be for a bed and breakfast? You could do a little to incorporate some country music flair to the site, a little less beige and a little more yeehaw! Other wise a vast improvement on the original. Cheers Pete ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Changing Standard
I might be wrong but I thought it was so you could apply all common
styles to the a and then simplify :link, :hover etc. to red etc.
ie:
a{
font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: .9em;
font-weight: bold;
text-decoration: underline;
color: black;
}
a:link{
color: blue;
}
a:visited{
color:#99;
}
a:hover{
color: red;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:active{
color: red;
text-decoration: none;
}
or have i missed the point?
Cheers
Pete
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:52:39 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why using a:link ?
a /a means that the word inside is a link
a { color:blue; text-decoration:underline; }
is the same as setting
a:link { color:blue; text-decoration:underline; }
Link is a redundant tag
No, it isn't. Think about these:
a onclick=foo/a
a href=bar/a
a {} matches both, and :link matches only the second one.
Additionally :link matches only unvisited, inavctive, nonfocused links,
but a{} sets all at once.
:link will become very important in XHTML2 where
every element can have href attribute.
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Re: [WSG] Web standards planet
Hi Jad, Nice Idea. Had a look through, click through to a bunch of sites. (man I love the scroll click) and voted even. As lea was saying, you could perhaps work on the design a little. As it stands youv'e got very long lists that could perhaps been broken into chunks and laid out grid stylee. Leaving a column left or right for the blog content. Given the amount of links versus blog copy, this would make more sense in prioritising your content and reduce the amount of scrolling. Cheers Pete On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:33:06 +1000, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:07:49 +0300, Jad Madi wrote: Yesterday I got nice idea, so I start working on it actually W3 planet try to connect Web standards related bloggers, and web standards related sites within one website. please check http://www.w3planet.info/ Interesting concept, but what does the site do for me? Should I add my blog? If so, how? What am i supposed to do with this long list of sites? (I mean this literally, not critically - how am I supposed to use them? It isn't very readable and doesn't add any information to the list-of-site concept. HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- -- Peter Costello domestik.net 0402 282 729 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check - Firefox flicker problem
Hi Avril, The problem was due to having all my divs floated left in the one containing div and relying on the containing div's width to make them wrap, forcing them down into position. Over the weekend, I split the content into two divs. Top and Bottom rows. I believe that separating out the content so that the divs were no longer dependant on each other fixed the problem. This sort of makes sense to me but I feel Ive expressed it poorly. Cheers Pete On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:50:52 +1000, Avril Bowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, I can confirm that your site's menu was flickering in firefox 0.8 last Monday when I first looked at it, but this morning it isn't. Have you fixed the problem? I was having the same problem on a site I'm working on and was curious how you got around the problem. Thanks -Avril -Part of Original Message- I've used the suckerfish menu, but am having a wierd flashing effect on rollover in firefox 8 pc. The content from the grey box at the bottom appears to flash over the menu? Any comments or suggestions would be great. The page is at: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/index.html and the css: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/styles.css Pete * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- -- ciao bella * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Site Check
Hi, Ive been trying to get my head around standards based design and am putting together a personal site. Ive used the suckerfish menu, but am having a wierd flashing effect on rollover in firefox 8 pc. The content from the grey box at the bottom appears to flash over the menu? Its HTML 4 transitional with a view to going xhtml strict. ( would this be a giant leap?) I've only checked it locally, it would be great if you tell me how looks on different browsers. Any comments or suggestions would be great. The page is at: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/index.html and the css: http://www.productseven.com.au/domestik04/styles.css Thanks in advance Pete * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation
Hi everyone, first post. Weve been tricking around with this at work and my limited uderstanding of this is that the skip to content link needs to be visible as the blind and screen readers are not the only accessibility concerns we need to cater for. In particular pointing devices such as wands used by quadriplegics or users with MS. By including a skip to content link, a user with a motor skills disability can change the focus to the first content link rather than have to tab through all navigation links first. Cheers Pete -- ciao bella * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation
Also... and maybe off topic. I'm not sure I understand the comparison to books. From my personal experience, when I go to a site the last thing I want is a cover page. I want current content quickly and the ability to find what I want quickly. Most books by nature are linear in flow. A more apt comparison may be a newspaper or magazine. This said, I'm often frustrated when reading the paper at the lack of navigation as most of the time the paper is strewn across the lounge room floor and finding the contents page often under the couch is a nightmare. Thank god for websites and consistent navigation. Now we can get to any piece of content from any other piece of content. Just thinking out loud. Cheers Pete -- ciao bella * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
