Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
Hi Russ, A good place to start for good example sites is here http://flex.org/showcase_page Cheers, Rae On 1 February 2010 14:52, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: Hi people, A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites: 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly more recent examples) Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for some research he is conduction. :) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
It's ok to use a double br / in this case :) Cheers, Rae 2009/12/7 Frances de Waal dw...@mac.com Hi there, May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics? In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it? I like your opinion. In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form semantically, both were using a list in the form. To me that seems totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be the reason of doing it that way? InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for every editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep saying that extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I agree they have no meaning semantically, but they do create extra code which is not neccessary for the content. But then again, we don't talk about 100 divs here. So, besides of best practice, is there any place where the extra divs may have bad influence? Frances de Waal www.waalweb.nl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] 8 invites for Google Wave
Speaking of invites I've got some to give away too! 2009/12/4 dionisis karampinis dkarampi...@gmail.com 8 invites for Google Wave !!! pm me -- Dio Karampinis impelmedia ltd. 01482636640 d...@impelmedia.co.uk www.impelmedia.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Problem with onclick and onClick
It's under the command menu, Command-Clean up HTML 2009/10/15 Nathanael Boehm n...@purecaffeine.com Geez, it's been a while since I've used Dreamweaver ... but I think I had this problem once. Not sure if it was with DW or some other HTML editor but there was some setting whereby the editor went through and cleaned up my code upon save ... so it's not your server, it's your HTML editor thinking it's helping you out. I'd have no idea where the setting is though ... sorry. Nathanael Boehm Canberra, Australia http://www.purecaffeine.com/about/ 0409 288 464 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:48 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: Can anyone help me with what is a basic question please? I have a library item (in Dreamweaver) which includes an onclick: a href=# onclick=window.print();return false . . . etc When the library item is inserted (into 37 pages) the format remains lower case and all pages validate, but when uploaded to the server the pages don't validate because they change to onClick. How can I stop this? What's going on? Anyone come across this? Any help gratefully received. Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessibility: government
As a general rule of thumb best practice would be to follow W3C guidelines. Cheers, Rae 2009/8/27 Webb, KerryA kerrya.w...@act.gov.au On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Lucl...@dzinelabs.com wrote: Good afternoon list, Does anybody know if their exists a list of what is required in terms of accessibility features for each country (governments)? -- Regards, Luc Hi Luc, here in Australia we have a couple of pieces of legislation, the main one being the Disability Discrimination Act - there is a guide to it at http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/dda_guide/dda_guide.htm There are some Better Practice Guidelines that touch on a lot of accessibility issues (amongst others) at http://www.finance.gov.au/e-government/better-practice-and- collaboration/better-practice-checklists/index.html Others may wish to add to the list above. To add to Andrew's response, it's not clear if you're asking for general requirements legislated by governments (of all sites) or just for the requirements for government websites. In either case, many countries have multiple levels of government (national, state/province, local) and each level can have its own rules. Kerry (which I work for a state/local govt, and that makes it even more exciting) --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- --- Rae Buerckner E: rae.buerck...@gmail.com M: +61 404 675 028 W: http://www.raebuerckner.com ACT Adobe Products User Group Manager http://groups.adobe.com/groups/8980662cdb/summary *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs
You need server side software which can do this on the fly -- From: Simon Pascal Klein kle...@klepas.org Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs That results in an image sitting inside a PDF; the text is rendered inaccessible, and the file size of the document will be increased substantially. —Pascal On 31/03/2009, at 1:08 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: Do a image screenshot using print screen and then convert that to PDF? Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of agerasimc...@unioncentral.com Sent: 30 March 2009 14:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: li...@webstandardsgroup.org; wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs I have a problem converting my web pages, which are CSS driven into PDFs (users usually do Right Click - convert page to PDF) - they need to send those pages for client approval in the PDF format.The pages in PDF display very poorly, not all CSS images are displayed, CSS formatting is completely off... Does anybody have any idea, what's the best approach to tame the CSS pages and convert them to PDF? Thank you! Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology agerasimc...@unioncentral.com (513) 595 -2391 anthony.hawk...@ssc.govt.nz Sent by: li...@webstandardsgroup.org 02/01/2009 02:52 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject [WSG] WCAG2.0 summary Hi there - WebAim just released a good summarised guide to WCAG2, a lot easier for the newbie to get their head around. http://webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mail: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas; http://twitter.com/klepas This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private. Kaffee und Kuchen. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs
Adobe ColdFusion or Adobe LiveCycle -- From: Jonathan Haslett m...@jonathanhaslett.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs Most SS options I know of are clunky and dont handle css well. Do you have any good suggestions? On 31/03/2009, at 6:17 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote: You need server side software which can do this on the fly -- From: Simon Pascal Klein kle...@klepas.org Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:40 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs That results in an image sitting inside a PDF; the text is rendered inaccessible, and the file size of the document will be increased substantially. —Pascal On 31/03/2009, at 1:08 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: Do a image screenshot using print screen and then convert that to PDF? Darren Lovelock Munky Online Web Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org ] On Behalf Of agerasimc...@unioncentral.com Sent: 30 March 2009 14:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: li...@webstandardsgroup.org; wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] converting CSS and XHTML to PDFs I have a problem converting my web pages, which are CSS driven into PDFs (users usually do Right Click - convert page to PDF) - they need to send those pages for client approval in the PDF format.The pages in PDF display very poorly, not all CSS images are displayed, CSS formatting is completely off... Does anybody have any idea, what's the best approach to tame the CSS pages and convert them to PDF? Thank you! Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology agerasimc...@unioncentral.com (513) 595 -2391 anthony.hawk...@ssc.govt.nz Sent by: li...@webstandardsgroup.org 02/01/2009 02:52 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject [WSG] WCAG2.0 summary Hi there - WebAim just released a good summarised guide to WCAG2, a lot easier for the newbie to get their head around. http://webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mail: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas; http://twitter.com/klepas This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private. Kaffee und Kuchen. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...
Yep... I got that... and I don't have any proxys set. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Anyone else getting an initialisation error when I try to run the browser?! I've tried to install twice. Maybe it's to do with the proxy, but the message says The application failed to initialize properly, click OK to terminate when I start it up. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Naveen Bhaskar *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:52 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... so one more browser to check for browser compatibility in future...like other google products this is going to be the popular one. -- thanks and regards Naveen Bhaskar Bangalore - Original Message From: kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008 12:06:49 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... Works great for my needs, I can use Google's Gmail to delete and send mail at home..I like it! Kate - Original Message - *From:* Anton Babushkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:50 AM *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through Chrome right now :) Its a brilliant browser, a true innovation to the way we use the web. Too bad Java and Shockwave don't work on it yet. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed. However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google. (e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!) On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame. If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is going to take off big time. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - Anton Babushkin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click herehttp://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_webmessenger_2/*http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php R On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Thomler, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage is much improved and the multi-threading has improved the speed of web apps running in multiple windows. Of course they could bite the bullet and make it red - then it would be faster... -- Craig Thomler Online Communications Manager Online Communications | Strategic Communications External Relations and Service Quality | Child Support Agency P 02 6272 8531 | M 0411 780 194 | F 02 6272 8897 W www.csa.gov.au | E [EMAIL PROTECTED] CSA...supporting separated families. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2008 10:02 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... Just tried it. It is fast. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Bill Brown wrote: tee wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome It has no Mac version! :( Nor Unix. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this email in error please notify the Privacy Contact Officer of the Child Support Agency by email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. * *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
The list server is duplicating posts! You might want to read it all before you decide it may be a mistake, doesn't read like a mistake to me! R On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote: You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/copyrights/contact for my business. The first one basically copied and pasted one of his client's policy to mine and forgotten to replace the company's name to mine. The second laywer whom I recently hired, did something similar. They charged 3 times more than I charge my clients. It finally hits me that I must work hard on improving my English and learn to write the contract myself. Maybe google has a lawyer like the two I hired? :-) tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
If they don't have that functionality built in to chrome yet, they certainly have written themselves a license to built that in whenever they want to. R On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing? On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee, my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content providers: http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome Cheers, Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Clarification: Is RTF accessible?
Maybe we need the correct person from AGIMO on this list. Having said that the spec is probably based on Word up to 2003, which is the version most Departments would be using, I don't believe Vista has been released as a SOE to any Federal Government Department as yet. Cheers, Rae On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Matthew Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rae Buerckner wrote: The following is from the AGIMO website. [...] The preferred format is HTML, followed by Word/RTF, and text. They should change this from Word to doc (because Word 2007 also includes docx and so Word is ambiguous). And obviously they should specify the version of doc (if they don't already) such as doc as implemented in MS Word '97. As with PDF they should encourage the most widely understood version of the format... with some exception to the rule for features only available in later versions of the format (Eg, for accessibility use Microsoft Office 2010, don't use RTF). -- .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Is RTF accessible?
Hi Jessica, The 2 formats most commonly provided formats by Government departments is PDF RTF format. Cheers, Rae On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am trying to work out whether a Rich Text File is considered accessible, to the extent that Australian federal government agencies must provide electronic documents in an accessible format. RTF is owned by Microsoft, but most word processors can read it. Apparently if styles are used correctly, RTF files can be used well by screen readers. Also, section 2.3 of the World Wide Web Access: Disability Discrimination Act Advisory Notes (from 2002, mind you) on the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission website (http:// hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html) suggests that RTF is considered acceptable. Any views? Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Is RTF accessible?
Hi Josh, I work in Private Sector now, but until 1 year ago I was had of Ministerial and Prime Ministerial Projects in the ICT Applications Branch at the Department of Industry Tourism Resources in Canberra Australia. Cheers, Rae On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Josh Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rae, Wondering where you get this info, and what countries you are speaking of. - Josh Rae Buerckner wrote: Hi Jessica, The 2 formats most commonly provided formats by Government departments is PDF RTF format. Cheers, Rae On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I am trying to work out whether a Rich Text File is considered accessible, to the extent that Australian federal government agencies must provide electronic documents in an accessible format. RTF is owned by Microsoft, but most word processors can read it. Apparently if styles are used correctly, RTF files can be used well by screen readers. Also, section 2.3 of the World Wide Web Access: Disability Discrimination Act Advisory Notes (from 2002, mind you) on the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission website (http:// hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html) suggests that RTF is considered acceptable. Any views? Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 7:06 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Clarification: Is RTF accessible?
Hi Jessica, Understood, I work for a company who specialise in the Adobe LiveCycle dynamic PDF technologies. The PDF RTF formats for attachments to content items, are a whole of Australian Government accessibility directive. These are typically not forms, although in some instances like Court documents they are. When I was at DITR, most of our forms were W3C CSS compliant, it's only when you get into the area of dynamic forms that it becomes complicated. I'm based in Canberra if I can be of any assistance. Cheers, Rae On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should clarify that I'm not a Microsoft-basher! The only reason I mentioned it is that ownership of a standard might be considered, by some, to compromise accessibility. Also, if it helps, I'm thinking about RTF for /forms/, not general text documents. I think this makes the situation a little bit messier. Finally, I would definitely recommend semantic HTML as a first choice - we're just looking at the other options that might be available if it isn't. Thanks again for all your help, Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 Begin forwarded message: From: Jessica Enders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 May 2008 4:08:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], wsg@webstandardsgroup.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Is RTF accessible? Hello I am trying to work out whether a Rich Text File is considered accessible, to the extent that Australian federal government agencies must provide electronic documents in an accessible format. RTF is owned by Microsoft, but most word processors can read it. Apparently if styles are used correctly, RTF files can be used well by screen readers. Also, section 2.3 of the World Wide Web Access: Disability Discrimination Act Advisory Notes (from 2002, mind you) on the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission website ( http://hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html) suggests that RTF is considered acceptable. Any views? Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Clarification: Is RTF accessible?
The following is from the AGIMO website. FAQ *Q. We have placed a lot of our documents on our website in PDF format, which is not readily accessible to people with sight disabilities. Apart from converting these documents to alternative formats, which we can't afford, what can we do?* A. It is generally not desirable to convert a PDF file to HTML, since the results are likely to have formatting and other navigational information removed. Wherever possible, the original file from which the PDF is created should be used as the basis for conversion, not the PDF file itself. If an original non-PDF file is not available, organisations may need to consider options such as using OCR software to scan and edit the PDF file to produce an accessible version. The preferred format is HTML, followed by Word/RTF, and text. It is important to note that where a document is presented in HTML format, an option should be provided for the user to download the document as a single file rather than as a (sometimes large) sequence of individual pages. Some content, such as graphs and maps, cannot be made accessible online to people who are blind or vision-impaired. In some cases it may be possible to use the HTML Longdesc tag to provide a verbal interpretation of pictorial content, while in other cases it may be necessary to have such content produced in accessible formats by external contractors. Departments should develop strategies for responding to requests for making content available in accessible formats, and contact information should be provided on websites so that users will be able to direct their requests to the appropriate person within the department. *Q. I'm trying to make my organisation's forms available on our website, as required by the OISO's. The only technology I've discovered for formatting complex forms for fill and print is PDF. This is not an accessible format, and means that we are not compliant with the accessibility guidelines. What do I do?* A. Although there has been some progress in making it possible for people who are blind or vision-impaired to use online PDF forms, this option is considered inaccessible for most users. It is often possible to design online forms using non-PDF techniques. See, for example, http://www.mandoforms.com, which provides guides and tools for making online forms accessible. PDF Forms can be made more accessible if authors provide enough information from the form itself for people with disabilities to gauge the relevance of the form to them. Clients can also be given the option of submitting information the form was designed to collect back via alternative means, such as email. So for example, the boxes on the form itself should have enough information annotated to them to make it clear what the form is trying to collect, and every form should have an email contact provided on the form page itself, for free text replies from people who have accessibility issues, or who simply cant get the form to work normally. Cheers, Rae On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Matthew Holloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jessica Enders wrote: Also, if it helps, I'm thinking about RTF for /forms/, not general text documents. Oh, ok -- it certainly cannot represent accessible forms. Even the latest RTF 1.9.1 (March 2008) does not appear to support form field labels, for example. -- .Matthew Holloway http://holloway.co.nz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
