Re: [WSG] Blueprint Grids

2009-03-17 Thread Robert O'Rourke
James Jeffery wrote: After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print and non-web media and now want to start using them. I've

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
John Horner wrote: I adopted the use of the button element in an application I'm working on, used like this: a href=foo.htmlbuttonfoo/button/a one main reason I liked buttons is that they can be disabled with an attribute, which was useful for things like keeping a next button everywhere,

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Frank Palinkas wrote: http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com mailto:cowie.n...@gmail.com wrote: Rob wrote: Buttons were mainly designed as triggers for javascript behaviour, I disagree, if you look at the

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:10 PM, michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote: Surely the button element is REQUIRED to be enclosed in a form ?? Is it though? Just looking at HTML 4.01, I don't think it's forbidden/invalid to have form elements outside of form

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Nick Cowie wrote: 2009/2/23 Frank Palinkas fmpalin...@gmail.com: IMHO, not very semantic in nature. We need the button element to be able to carry a valid link-type attribute. Enclosing it in a form just don't cut it. We are talking HTML 4 here, so to have a link you have to use an

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
There was a wee bug (or two!) in that link I posted, very sorry. http://www.sanchothefat.com/dev/sfhelp/validations.php If you validate that page now it works with the buttons outside of a form. They do however need to be contained by a block element such as a div.

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Robert O'Rourke r...@sanchothefat.com wrote: I don't really know how toread the DTDs properly Yeah, it's obscure for sure. !ELEMENT BUTTON http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-BUTTON - - (%flow; http

Re: [WSG] label:hover - more harm than good?!

2009-02-04 Thread Robert O'Rourke
tee wrote: Thanks Rob, and David. If the label and the checkbox or select have matching 'for' and 'id' attributes they should be getting focus when clicked. As far as the value label:hover goes I tend not to make labels change colour on hover as they may be misinterpreted as links. If you

Re: [WSG] label:hover - more harm than good?!

2009-02-02 Thread Robert O'Rourke
tee wrote: I use label:hover for a site, it's working fine when there is one input field or radio button. But it's creating a confusion for client on checkboxes and select option as clicking on the label text trigger no focus /selection on checkbox or option. One oversight I did that added

Re: [WSG] Missing Icon and strange Legend margin in IE7

2008-11-24 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello All - ... First, go here with FF: http://www.koisis.com/.clients/asdem/dev/index.php?cmd=004004 You'll notice in the UL a heading called Getting Help. In that the single LI that follows there's a little question-mark icon (which sit's in a span tag). That's the way

Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared

2008-11-24 Thread Robert O'Rourke
tee wrote: I am trying to optimize a site, though the file sizes of the overall images aren't so much of a problem but the http requests. So I am attempting to put 10 icons in one gif file, the individual icon size is merely 600b and the dimension is 18px by 12px. I made a 18px by 150px to

Re: [WSG] Disappearing legends in IE 6

2008-11-17 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Christian Montoya wrote: Hello list. I just put up a new design at http://christianmontoya.com and I'm just trying to make it work in IE 6. The one problem that's left is that the legends on my fieldsets don't show up. If you view it in IE 6 you'll see just white spaces in place of them. Can

Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url

2008-07-23 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Incase it hasn't come up yet the reason for doing this is pretty straight forward. You might want to serve up the same content but with a BIG reduction in the amount of markup used and smaller image files. Bandwidth costs money on a mobile and your users will appreciate the reduced costs and

Re: [WSG] Semantic coding of posted in

2008-06-13 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Rick Lecoat wrote: On 13 Jun 2008, at 04:05, Jason Ray wrote: Definition lists are for definitions, which this is not. Not necessarily so. The W3C gives character dialogue as an example usage of a DL http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 which seems to encourage finding

Re: [WSG] animated gif not animating...

2008-06-10 Thread Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, I have an ajax call in my page and while loading I am showing an animated loading gif animation. Sometimes In IE the animated gif is not animating. Anybody knows why? Thanks a ton in advance.. Thanking you *Naveen Bhaskar * Can you provide a

Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard

2008-06-05 Thread Robert O'Rourke
tee wrote: On Jun 4, 2008, at 2:07 AM, Robert O'Rourke wrote: So you could have: defaultFormat![CDATA[ div class=vcard div class=n{{var firstname}} {{var lastname}}/div {{depend company}}div class=org{{var company}}/div{{/depend}} div class=adr span class=street-address

Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard

2008-06-04 Thread Robert O'Rourke
tee wrote: On Jun 3, 2008, at 4:49 PM, tee wrote: Thierry afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of information as it is related to the people who maintain/are responsible for the document itself (or a section of the document). It's a plain English but I read

Re: [WSG] styling address tag or microformat hcard

2008-06-03 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi Tee, In Magento, they use address.../address for customer address. afaik, the address element is not supposed to contain this kind of information as it is related to the people who maintain/are responsible for the document itself (or a section of the

Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-30 Thread Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to look at things from that angle, then we have to make a split between what the user wants - news, information, entertainment, etc. what the commissioner wants, and what the search engines want. All sites on the web arguable fall into one of three

Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-28 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Chris Pearce wrote: Hi, For a few years now I’ve been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I’d be interested in seeing what other

Re: [WSG] Tag for quotes

2008-05-20 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Rob Enslin wrote: Please could someone help me decide which is the most appropriate tag to use with quotes? These are actual comments made by folk during a show. For example: q pqLIW 2007 was a great show for Technogym. We showcased an exciting 7 new products which our customers loved. LIW

Re: [WSG] possible to make absolute position moves down with fontsize resize?

2008-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Lately I have coded many templates that clients wanted an element that aligns horizontally and has it stayed at the bottom of a content block. The only way I could think is using absolute position, but it creates an overlapping problem with font size resize. I am curious if there is a

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Krystian - Sunlust wrote: IE5 ? Each time I hear about IE5 I want to laugh, honestly, IE6 is old, and most companies that actually create revenue in our modern times use Vista and IE7, who would worry/use IE5? My friend who I just finished designing website for is using IE6 but his computer is

Re: [WSG] Site review

2008-02-25 Thread Robert O'Rourke
No big layout issues at all but on a quick perusal there are few things I've noticed: The stripey background - close thin stripes get flickery and a bit distracting when the page is scrolled IE: - the search area needs some cross-browser attention. font-sizes, input widths and the submit

Re: [WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS

2008-01-11 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Katrina wrote: Gday, Can someone please remind me how to set the width on a simple table column without suffering classitis? Doctype: HTML4.01 strict. Must validate. Thanks! Kat Hi Kat, I tend to mark up my tables using something like this: table thead tr th

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Jason Pruim wrote: On Dec 14, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Genesis One And One wrote: I want another OS that works like Windoze but is better than Windoze. I wish Mozilla would develop one. Their products are already consumer friendly etc. Imagine a FFOS. I would imagine M$ poor customer support

Re: [WSG] Web Design Test - IE Users

2007-09-21 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Joseph Taylor wrote: Hey everyone! I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be so kind on your IE browsers. http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com Please let me know if there are any layout issues you encounter (float drops etc) Some pages won't validate because I'm

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-05 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Middle out? I don't really worry about the font-size other than to leave the default on the body tag at 100%. From there I size fonts relatively up or down depending on the design, if it's my own design I never dip below 12px. As long as you don't use px for font-sizing in the CSS the site is

Re: [WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script

2007-08-03 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Ryan Moore wrote: page cannot be displayed...??? On 8/2/07, *Robert O'Rourke* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webrocket.ulmb.com/ability/ http://webrocket.ulmb.com/ability/ Strange, works for me... The alistapart article someone sent you looks like

Re: [WSG] Looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script

2007-08-02 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Ryan Moore wrote: I'm looking for a Stylesheet Switcher Script that users can use to dynamically change text sizes on the fly. Our text size is already quite legible and sized in em's for easy resizing, but i've been told by the powers that be that we also need a style sheet switcher.

Re: [WSG] auto-hiding bottom part of bg image when resizing fontsize

2007-06-18 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Tee G. Peng wrote: In this page I have the photo placed in body background with fixed position. When fontsize enlarge, the bottom part of the photo shows the background color which is fine because I intentionally wanted it appears as if it's part of the design, however when fontsize reduces,

Re: [WSG] auto-hiding bottom part of bg image when resizing fontsize

2007-06-18 Thread Robert O'Rourke
sorry Tee, misread your question. Put the background image in the div that has the white background (#container i think) and it won't show up below the footer. @Jamie: that password isn't stupid just because it gives firebug a hard time. Why not use chris pederick's developer toolbar AND

Re: [WSG] auto-hiding bottom part of bg image when resizing fontsize

2007-06-18 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Tee G. Peng wrote: On Jun 18, 2007, at 9:39 AM, Robert O'Rourke wrote: Hi Tee, nice looking page! It doesn't get a vertical scroll bar though (firefox 2 latest)... could you attach the background image to the bottom of the main content area as opposed to a fixed position on the body

Re: [WSG] auto-hiding bottom part of bg image when resizing fontsize

2007-06-18 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Tee G. Peng wrote: On Jun 18, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: I may be wrong, but I'm not sure ie6 does transparent border (if I recall, it turns them black). Yeah, it doesn't. I actually not sure how to write the rule. I had {border-top: 5px transaprent}, {border-top: 5px;

Re: [WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?

2007-06-11 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Designer wrote: Good Morning/afternoon/evening, Further to recent discussions on text size, and in particular, using graphics sized in ems so that they resize, I've pondered the use of graphical text when wanting to use an uncommon font. So, I put a heading into a simple graphic (using the

Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Robert O'Rourke
I think it would be more useful to try an work out where Marvin is coming from when he mentions those two programs. He's on a web design course and has some awareness of web standards and that it's good to support screen readers. Some of these courses are still teaching 'Save as HTML' and

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

2007-05-25 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Barney Carroll wrote: Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, The for attribute should NOT be used when the label tag encloses the label text. What are the dangers? Regards, Barney Hello, Its probably not a danger per se for most people but if you ever use a cms that writes out form fields

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics

2007-05-22 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Jason Robb wrote: Hello friends, I'm marking up a group of (maybe 25-50) anchored images. They need to be held tight to a grid, and I want about 6 or 8 to a row. Here is the (lazy) table based solution: http://bws.jasonrobb.com/collections/ I've considered a few different approaches. I want

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan wrote: Ouch. I had a similar situation where the client just won't listen-- They wanted to integrate a part of an old website to a new one that I did that looks *exactly* as is. I followed what they wanted and now they have a mish-mash of junk code. On 5/16/07,

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 16 May 2007, at 11:28 PM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/zen/sample.css OK, enough - I quit. How can I possibly compete with these world-class designers? N It's a tall order

Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Susan Grossman wrote: Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining anymore. What would you have done in this situation? Back to your original topic - the client is always right in the

Re: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?

2007-03-12 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Chris Williams wrote: A pen and a yellow legal pad. hehe, or how about MS Paint? poor thing barely gets a look-in these days. I think most of the comps I receive are done in word... Just find something they know how to use already, save faffing around with any software training and the

Re: [WSG] web accessibility-some thoughts

2007-03-08 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Bob Schwartz wrote: First a disclaimer: This post does not reflect my personal views on web accessibility or handicapped persons, it is merely a collection of academic thoughts triggered by various posts of the past few days. How and why did the web get singled out from among all of the