Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

2012-06-05 Thread Russ Weakley
An interesting discussion...

Back in 2006, Roger Hudson, Lisa Miller and I conducted testing on three 
aspects associated with screen reader use (skip links, source order and 
structural lables).

The findings regarding source order:

t appears that when visiting a web page, most, if not all, screen reader users 
expect at least the main site navigation to be presented before the content of 
the page. There appears to be little evidence to support the view that screen 
reader users would prefer to have the content presented first, or find sites 
easier to use when this occurs. It is our view, that a continuation of the 
practice of placing navigation before the content of the page will benefit some 
screen reader users, in particular those users who are still developing their 
skills with the technology. It is probably desirable however, to present the 
content of the page before extraneous information, such as advertisements and 
related links, as well as the page footer. 

Interpret as you see fit  :)
Russ



On 06/06/2012, at 8:35 AM, Kevin Rapley wrote:

 I have started a new thread for this discussion, as not to hijack the thread 
 on skip links.
 
 Thanks for the reply Steve. As I said, it is another school of thought (not 
 necessarily my own). I wouldn’t use content first source ordering for 
 commercial implementations as the overhead of relocating items in CSS far 
 outweighs any accessibility benefits (at this time). However, with newer 
 layout methods on the horizon, such as CSS flex-box, where reordering source 
 order will be far simpler, this is a very real and worthwhile possibility. I 
 disagree that it is really bad practice. As mentioned, users of assistive 
 technologies will rarely read a page in a linear fashion.
 
 WCAG 2 likes to contradict itself (but I am sure you knew that already:
 
 WCAG 2.0, includes Success Criterion 2.4.3, which states:
 
 2.4.3 - Blocks of content that are repeated on multiple perceivable units are 
 implemented so that they can be bypassed. (Level 2)
 
 WCAG 2.0 - Guideline 2.4.3
 
 The document, Understanding WCAG 2.0 (Working Draft 23 November 2005), 
 includes the following as one of the techniques that can be used to meet 
 Success Criterion 2.4.3:
 
 Structuring the content so the main content comes first (in structure - but 
 the default presentation may be a different order), and adding links to the 
 blocks of repeated content.
 
 On 5 June 2012 22:57, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote:
 I do not recommend putting the navigation after the content. In fact I would 
 go as far as to say it’s a really bad practice because it violates every 
 user’s expectation of where the navigation will be. Using CSS to position it 
 above the content makes things even worse because the tab order no longer 
 follows the visual order.
 
  
 
 The Web Content Accessibility Guidelines specifically state that the DOM 
 order should match the visual order – see 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/C27
 
  
 
 I have no problem with the ‘Return to top of page’ link, although the purists 
 would argue that it is merely replicating the function of the Home key. Of 
 course tablets and mobile phones don’t have a Home key, which sort of 
 undermines that argument.
 
  
 
 Steve
 
  
 
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
 Behalf Of Kevin Rapley
 Sent: 05 June 2012 22:37
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to 
 function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
 
  
 
 I agree with the consensus that less is more with the skip navigation links 
 at the top of the document. “Skip to main content” in the majority of cases 
 will be all you need. If you are getting to a point where by rights you need 
 a skip link, to skip the list of skip links, as they have grown so long you 
 know you are following a bad path ;)
 
  
 
 Another school of thinking is to write the HTML source order so that 
 navigation appears after the content, and use CSS to relocate the menu to the 
 top of the page for sighted users. Of course you would still benefit from a 
 skip link at the start of the navigation menu to skip past it/return to start 
 of content. Note, it is a common misconception that users of assistive 
 technologies linearly read a web page, when in fact the tools they have at 
 their disposal allow them to traverse a page in multiple different ways. For 
 instance, they can call out a dialog which lists all of the links on the 
 page, or gain context by traversing a semantic document tree of the nested 
 headings on the page. In these contexts, skip navigation is largely useless.
 
  
 
 This may be overkill, I will be interested to hear opinions, but I also place 
 a note with ability to return to the top of the page too:
 

 
 div class=accessibility role=note
 
  

Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

2012-06-05 Thread Russ Weakley
ooops. Reference:
http://usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm#conclusion

 
 t appears that when visiting a web page, most, if not all, screen reader 
 users expect at least the main site navigation to be presented before the 
 content of the page. There appears to be little evidence to support the view 
 that screen reader users would prefer to have the content presented first, or 
 find sites easier to use when this occurs. It is our view, that a 
 continuation of the practice of placing navigation before the content of the 
 page will benefit some screen reader users, in particular those users who are 
 still developing their skills with the technology. It is probably desirable 
 however, to present the content of the page before extraneous information, 
 such as advertisements and related links, as well as the page footer. 



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Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-04 Thread Russ Weakley
In order to comply with Success Criterion 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks – you must 
provide a mechanism to “bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple 
Web pages. (Level A)

One of the “sufficient techniques” recommended by the W3C for bypassing blocks 
is the use of skip links.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/G1.html

Aria Landmarks are great for some user types and well supported by JAWS, NVDA, 
OSX VoiceOver (reasonably well supported by WindowEyes). 

However, these landmark roles do not help those who may not use a mouse for a 
variety of reasons (such as some sort of motor skill issue etc). So, using a 
combination of skip links and landmarks may be better.

A lot of mixed opinions on skip links but some general principles

1. include skip links if at all possible
2. keep them simple - like a simple skip to content only
3. if possible make them visible
4. if you cannot make them visible, make them focus/active visible:
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/example-skip/03.htm

Be aware that some browsers don't play well with skip links.

Thanks
Russ


On 05/06/2012, at 2:49 PM, Blumer, Luke wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 We are currently in the process of redesigning our website and are looking 
 into the Skip to functionality.
 
 We are currently considering using:
 
   • Skip to Search
   • Skip to Primary Navigation
   • Skip to Secondary Navigation
   • Skip to Main Content
   • Skip to Sitemap
 
 We are wondering if there is any information on best practice for the Skip 
 to function and whether there is a generally acceptable limit as to how many 
 Skip to links should be used?
 
 We are also wondering whether we should be considering other ways for users 
 to navigate around our pages such as AccessKey 
 http://validator.w3.org/accesskeys.html and whether this technique should be 
 used to reduce the number of Skip to links we have listed above?
 
 Is there any native browser functionality that performs any of these 
 functions that we should account for?
 
 Thankyou in advance for any advice.
 
 Regards,
 
 Luke Blumer 
 Web Project Officer | Corporate Relations
 Australian Taxation Office
 Phone: 02 6216 2970
 
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Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley
 Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3
 

HTML5 has also broadened out the use of the DL:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/
The dl element now represents an association list of name-value groups, and is 
no longer said to be appropriate for dialogue.

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/grouping-content.html#the-dl-element
The dl element represents an association list consisting of zero or more 
name-value groups (a description list). Each group must consist of one or more 
names (dt elements) followed by one or more values (dd elements). Within a 
single dl element, there should not be more than one dt element for each name.

Name-value groups may be terms and definitions, metadata topics and values, 
questions and answers, or any other groups of name-value data.

HTH
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Related content labelling and styling?

2012-05-16 Thread Russ Weakley
On 17/05/2012, at 4:23 AM, Rick Hill wrote:

 The ideal would be to position  the related content at the bottom of the 
 associate main content and then position it at the top right of the main 
 content. So visually it would look the same but the HTML reading order and 
 header nesting would be correct.  We cannot find and CSS solution that will 
 do that. Anyone?
 

Isn't this a simple matter of playing with the containers and floats.

Here is an example where four containers (col1, col2, col2a and col2b) match 
the nesting of yours, but the right column (in your case the column where you 
want the highlighted info) is last in the source order:

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/example-rick/

This is easily achieved by floating both col2a and col2b to the left

HTH
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Keyboard Tabbing no longer working in FF v11/Mac

2012-04-04 Thread Russ Weakley
user deleted. Ignore. New WSG system coming soon!


On 04/04/2012, at 7:09 PM, sale.jordantradezone wrote:



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Re: [WSG] Keyboard Tabbing no longer working in FF v11/Mac

2012-04-03 Thread Russ Weakley
 
 I wonder what might gone wrong with my FF, it focuses on input fields.: 
 address url, google seach and the one in the page.

I say you nuke your FF from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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Re: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

2012-04-01 Thread Russ Weakley
 On 4/1/2012 3:05 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:
 It's April 1st here in Australia  :)
 
 
 Yes, I am well aware of that.
 Did not put two and two together.
 :p
 

Apologies all who may have been confused!
The MoreCSS framework is an April Fools Day gift to the web community from the 
folks at oxideinteractive



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[WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

2012-03-31 Thread Russ Weakley
You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years... 
but is this the best CSS framework ever?
http://morecss.org/

:)
Russ




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Re: [WSG] Possibly the best CSS framework ever?

2012-03-31 Thread Russ Weakley
It's April 1st here in Australia  :)

 No need to use a CSS framework.
 It is not that hard to style things in CSS once you get the hang of it.
 Besides it is easier if you actually write less CSS to style a list of links 
 as an example because if you go overboard with styling stuff you end up with 
 clashes in your CSS and that can make things harder when re-designing.
 
 On 4/1/2012 1:27 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:
 You have probably seen all sorts of CSS frameworks over the years...
 but is this the best CSS framework ever?
 http://morecss.org/
 
 :)
 Russ



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Re: [WSG] WSG - Time for a re-think on WSG.

2012-03-19 Thread Russ Weakley
OK, we hear you all loud and clear and totally agree with all that has been 
said (and asked privately by others before).

The fault is, of course, mine... putting off solving the WSG mail list issues...

So here is a call out. 

We are thinking of moving the entire system over to mailman. We want your help! 
Have you had experience with migrating large lists to mailman? Do you have 
other options you think may be better? Do you have access to web hosting for a 
large and high traffic mail list? Then email me offlist. 

Please hold off further discussions on-list. I will announce the changes as 
soon as we have plans locked down and a schedule for the changes in place.

Thanks all for giving me the kick in the bum to get this happening!
Russ




On 19/03/2012, at 8:21 PM, Steve Green wrote:

  You wouldn't put up with a web page that forced you to read a short message 
 and hit the delete key before seeing the rest of the page.
 
 That's exactly what the new European cookie law is going to force you to do.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jim Croft
 Sent: 19 March 2012 03:10
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] WSG - Time for a re-think on WSG.
 
 yes - it is no big deal as an individual act, but in aggregate contributes to 
 the advere side of the S:N ratio. The fact that it is demonstrably totally 
 unnecessary makes it all the more irritating.
 Yes, I could write a filter to catch these messages, but this is the 21st 
 century, there are email transfer standards, we have 24 hr wireless pizza 
 delivery, and I shouldn't have to.
 
 You wouldn't put up with a web page that forced you to read a short message 
 and hit the delete key before seeing the rest of the page.
 Chances are you would probably not go there more than twice (the second time 
 to confirm, 'are you for real?!').
 
 If people are already at borderline S:N, 'a very small amount of time'
 is it all it is going to take to push them over the 'unsubscribe' edge and 
 seek their web standards jollies elsewhere.
 
 Also, it is the professionalism thing...
 
 jim
 
 On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Jon Reece jon.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 Personally, I don't mind deleting the few emails (relatively) that are 
 out-of-office replies. If I did, I would probably just set up a filter 
 since I'm using Gmail (and I'm pretty sure most popular email clients 
 support advanced filters as well). I find that the very small amount 
 of time it takes me to select the email, and then select Delete, is 
 really nothing to complain about.
 
 Just my $0.02
 
 - Jon
 
 
 
 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's not really a web standards issue, but the current acceptable 
 standard for email list servers it to trap 'out of office' messages 
 and /dev/null them with extreme prejudice.
 
 If the current list software can not do this, perhap it too should be 
 /dev/null'd.
 
 I am subscribed to dozens of email lists and this is the only one 
 that relays out of office spam. Not a good look for a group promoting 
 quality and standards in communication.
 
 jim
 
 On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:52 AM,  ewen.h...@health.vic.gov.au wrote:
 
 rant
 
 After a while, we humans decide that small annoyances need to end 
 and after hearing from an individual I don't know that  I am off 
 sick today on the WSG group, I have decided enough is enough. What 
 Russ and his band of compatriots did back 15 years or so ago to 
 create a group and spread the word has been fantastic howeever it 
 needs a revival.
 
 The vast majority of us are techie, web developers who know a 
 thing or two about great websites that are accessible. Isn't that 
 what WSG is crying out for? Gopher and Archie have sadly gone and 
 so should the current flavour of WSG.
 
  WSG could be reincarnated into a thing of beauty and a site to 
 behold beacuse with HTML5, a sprinkling of accessibility knowledge 
 and a bunch of us hacking away, we could show the world that sites 
 can be accessible and uber-cool at the same time.
 
 Over to you...
 
 /rant
 
 PS Hope you're feeling better
 
 Ewen Hill
 Project Manager.
 
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Re: [WSG] Style Sheet Query

2012-03-15 Thread Russ Weakley
Marvin,

Could you paste any relevant CSS snippets into an email and post to the list as 
this may help us determine what you are currently doing and what you may want 
to do to solve the problem. Or, point us to a sample page where the problem 
exists...

Thanks
Russ


On 15/03/2012, at 4:47 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

 HI.
 gota style sheet, and have the ul, ol, dl list, and a ul, a, b, and now.
 the first set or the two lists, they say the font name, but putting a third 
 list, a list of my web and programming projects, for a school project, a port 
 folio page.
 now jaws is not saying the font name, just 16 pt.
 why?
 do i need to create another list element.
 real weird.
 also, in jaws, the body, and the headings, not telling me the font alignment, 
 and it does on other web pages.
 maybe some thing stupid, or wrong i am doing.
 well.
 will upload the site on the weekend, hopefully, for review, comment, feedback.
 got the ok from my lecturer to do this.
 so look for the links or the e-mail on the weekend.
 Marvin.



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Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Russ Weakley
 h1 id=list_titleThe list titleh1 
 ul aria-labelledby=list_title
 li.../li
 /ul
 That way the semantic connection between the list and the heading is kept 
 which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes?
 Cheers,
 S
 

I hate to nit-pick, but I'd argue that the aria-labelledby does not really 
change the semantics of an element. The semantics of an element is about 
defining the element's core meaning. The core meaning of an h1 is that it 
is a level 1 heading.

In the case above, the labelledby attribute exposes the content inside the 
heading (via the accessibility API) and associating this content with the 
unordered list. 

So, these elements will now have additional meaning for Assistive Devices that 
support ARIA. However, the attribute does not change the core meaning of 
either of the elements.

Does this make sense?
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?

2012-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley
It might be better to take that sort of discussion off-list.
(so the list is freed up for all of those important out of office emails)

Thanks
Russ
List admin


On 24/02/2012, at 3:07 AM, James O'Neill wrote:

 Would you mind recapping the differences and providing some links for me if 
 you have some available.
 
 Bias noted... =)
 
 Thanks
 



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Re: [WSG] PHP Help Again

2011-12-17 Thread Russ Weakley
Ok, as many have suggested, these discussions are definitely off topic. 

Marvin, please confine posts to web standards related topics 

Everyone else, if replying, do it offlist. 

Apologies all for the recent lack of list management!

Thanks
Russ

On 17/12/2011, at 6:50 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.
 could david please let me know if he received my e-mails the other day.
 if not, then will paste the following message.
 if any one can help me off list.
 Thanks.
 Marvin.
 
 Hi.
 well sorry, forggot about that.
 well if any one can help me with my smtp, and also using windows 7 
 professional 32 bit, and using wamp server 2.2, and using mozilla thunderbird 
 as my mail client.
 also, how to format the message.
 can any one help?
 will paste my html form and the php code and the mozilla firefox browser 
 window below.
 Marvin.
 
 html
 head
 titleStudent Details/title
 /head
 body
 h1Parents And Citizens Student School Survey/h1
 form action=Data.php method=post
 pFirstname: input type=text name=firstname/p
 pLastname: input type=text name=lastname/p
 pDate Of Birth: input type=text name=dateofbirth/p
 pCurrent Year At School: input type=text name=currentyear/p
 pNumber Of Siblings: input type=text name=familynumber/p
 pHome Work: input type=text name=homework/p
 pEntertainment: input type=text name=entertainment/p
 pComputer: input type=text name=computer/p
 pFamily: input type=text name=family/p
 pFriends: input type=text name=friends/p
 input type=submit name=submit value=Submit
 /form
 /body
 /html
 
 ?php
 $firstname=$_POST['firstname'];
 $lastname=$_POST['lastname'];
 $dateofbirth=$_POST['dateofbirth'];
 $currentyear=$_POST['currentyear'];
 $familynumber=$_POST['familynumber'];
 $homework=$_POST['homework'];
 $entertainment=$_POST['entertainment'];
 $computer=$_POST['computer'];
 $family=$_POST['family'];
 $friends=$_POST['friends'];
 $subject=$_POST['$subject'];
 $message=$_POST['$message'];
 echo h1Student Details:/h1;
 echo pGreat! Thanks .$firstname. for responding to our survey./p;
 echo pName: .$firstname. $lastname/p;
 echo pDate Of Birth: $dateofbirth/p;
 echo pCurrent School Year: $currentyear/p;
 echo pNumber Of Siblings: $familynumber/p;
 echo p Subject: $subject = '$firstname, $lastname survey results'/p;
 echo pMessage: $message = '$firstname, $lastname, $dateofbirth, 
 $currentyear, $familynumber, $homework, $entertainment, $computer, $family, 
 $friends'/p;
 $to='startrekc...@gmail.com';
 $subject = $firstname, $lastname;
 mail($to, $subject, $message);
 ?
 
 http://localhost/SixthPHP/Data.php
 
 table with 5 columns and 4 rows
 ( ! ) Notice: Undefined index: $subject in C:\wamp\www\SixthPHP\Data.php on 
 line 12
 Call Stack
 #
 Time
 Memory
 Function
 Location
 1
 0.0006
 379792
 {main}( )
 ..\Data.php:0
 table end
 
 table with 5 columns and 4 rows
 ( ! ) Notice: Undefined index: $message in C:\wamp\www\SixthPHP\Data.php on 
 line 13
 Call Stack
 #
 Time
 Memory
 Function
 Location
 1
 0.0006
 379792
 {main}( )
 ..\Data.php:0
 table end
 
 Student Details:
 
 Great! Thanks Marvin for responding to our survey.
 
 Name: Marvin Hunkin
 
 Date Of Birth: 13/02/1965
 
 Current School Year: 12
 
 Number Of Siblings: 3
 
 Subject: = 'Marvin, Hunkin survey results'
 
 Message: = 'Marvin, Hunkin, 13/02/1965, 12, 3, 30, 88, 95, 33, 102'
 
 table with 5 columns and 5 rows
 ( ! ) Warning: mail() [
 function.mail]:
 Failed to connect to mailserver at localhost port 25, verify your SMTP 
 and smtp_port setting in php.ini or use ini_set() in 
 C:\wamp\www\SixthPHP\Data.php
 on line 24
 Call Stack
 #
 Time
 Memory
 Function
 Location
 1
 0.0006
 379792
 {main}( )
 ..\Data.php:0
 2
 0.0013
 380832
 mail
 ( )
 ..\Data.php:24
 table end
 
 ps: so how to fix the problems, maybe how to get the date for say Febuary 13, 
 1965, can any one help me out. maybe e-mail me off list via 
 startrekc...@gmail.com if not on topic.
 --- In blindwebb...@yahoogroups.com, Parham Doustdar parham90@... wrote:
 
 Marvin,
 
 You cannot attach files to your emails when you're sending an email to
 this list. But regardless of your code:
 
 1. Setting up your SMTP is not a PHP issue, it depends on your operating
 system.
 2. I expect you're using Windows. As far as I know, there is not an easy
 solution about running an SMTP server on Windows. What I did was to find
 someone who would let me play with the SMTP server running on his Linux box.
 
 But of course, if anyone has done this on Windows, I'd appreciate it if
 they could step forward and help you.
 
 Good luck,
 Parham
 
 On 12/16/2011 2:27 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
 
 Hi.
 can some one help me to set up my smtp.
 also, not liking some of my variables.
 new to php and learning this.
 can any one help me to get the script working, and also to format it.
 i need to havea e-mail message in the form, and also need headings, or
 information or labels for each of the information.
 can any one help me?
 will atatch my code, a html file and my php script.
 

Re: [WSG] Farewell (was : Out of Office)

2011-12-16 Thread Russ Weakley
Yes... the topics have gradually been getting more off topic. We will step in 
more quickly in future. Apologies all!
Thanks
russ



On 16/12/2011, at 11:04 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

 'tis the season for folks on mailing lists to clutter everybody's inbox with 
 discussions over out of office replies cluttering their inbox...
 
 recursion? self-fulfilling prophecy?
 
 In fairness though, picking up on the other topic: Marvin, as much as we 
 sympathise with the difficulties you may be experiencing in getting 
 inaccessible systems etc installed on your own...that's not quite the point 
 of this mailing list. List mums and dads...agree or disagree?
 
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Re: [WSG] Content div sticking out the side of container div

2011-12-02 Thread Russ Weakley
 Somehow I do not seem to have come across this problem before. I have two 
 divs, one contained within the other. If the viewport of the browser is 
 resized to be smaller than the contents of the inner div, the inner div 
 sticks out the side of the outer container div, which continues to resize 
 with the browser.
 
 Surely the outer div should stop shrinking when it reaches the width of its 
 inner div, even if the viewport continues to be shrunk?

This is actually normal behaviour (apart from earlier IE browsers). Containers 
that are not given a set width will collapse based on the width of the viewport 
(or based on any containing box. 

However, if you have a parent element with no width defined, and a child 
element with a width defined, the child element may poke out the sides (or 
remain visible) of the parent element. This is because the default overflow 
behaviour of the DIV element is visible.

 How can I fix this so that the outer div will not become any smaller than the 
 width of its inner div, when the width of the inner div will be unknown?

Well, there are all sorts of options here, depending on your need. 

1. You could set the parent container to a size that is equal or larger than 
the child element.
2. You could set the child element to a percentage width so that it would never 
become larger than the parent.
3. You could sent the parent with some sort of overflow - such as hidden or 
auto - to hide aspects of the child element (the aspects that appear outside 
the parent element).

A lot comes down to what you want to achieve...
HTH
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Breaks within table cells

2011-11-23 Thread Russ Weakley
Option 1:

Try making the two chunks of content into two individual paragraphs within the 
one cell. It is not the most ideal semantics, though it could be argued that 
they are two short paragraphs  :)

Depending on how the margins have been defined for your paragraphs, this should 
give you 1em of margin below each paragraph. If not, you could always set a 
rule like:

td p { margin: 0 0 1em; }
or 
td p { margin: 1em 0; }

or if you want it to be more specific:

.Table_Text p { margin: 0 0 1em; }
or 
.Table_Text p { margin: 1em 0; }


Option 2:

Use rowspan:

tr
td class=Table_TextClient / solicitor/td
td rowspan=2 class=Table_TextBad advice/td
td rowspan=2 class=Table_TextEconomic loss/td
/tr
tr
td class=Table_TextClient / accountant/td
/tr

This is possibly more semantically correct than using paragraphs (without 
knowing what you are doing with the table) as these look like two separate 
options that are both able to be associated with data in other cells. The 
downside of this method is that you may have to add an additional class on one 
of the cells so that you can turn off borders between the two client cells.

HTH
Russ


On 23/11/2011, at 10:25 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I would be grateful if someone could help with this, as I'm not a tables 
 expert.
 
 I want to separate two separate entries in the one cell, to indicate 
 alterntatives. Like this (see picture):
 
 bjecdfda.jpg
 
 The coding for this part of the table looks like this:
 
 td class=Table_TextClient / solicitorbrClient / accountant/td
 td class=Table_TextBad advice/td
 td class=Table_TextEconomic loss/td/tr
 
 Unfortunately, I have not been able to style the left-most cell so that it 
 looks like the picture attached. I tried to style the br using the 
 line-height property but this only worked in Google Chrome.



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Re: [WSG] Breaks within table cells

2011-11-23 Thread Russ Weakley
 Why not use a list within the table as it is a list of items.
 
There you go! Option 3  :)



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Re: [WSG] Wrapping text before float drop

2011-11-03 Thread Russ Weakley
 
 Think of how two columns work in a table, when they have no specified width. 
 They adjust to the size of the content and the available width, and wrap 
 their content if the available width is reduced.
 
 This should be easy in CSS, no?


The simple answer is that floats are not ideal in this situation. 

There are three ways you 
could solve this problem - but as Hassan mentions, they are best done without 
using float. All three solutions may present issues in older versions of IE. 
Without knowing exactly what you are trying to achieve, it is hard to recommend 
one of these solutions.

-
Option 1 - display: table, display: table-row, display: table-cell
-
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#display-prop

For example, you could make the two containers operate like table cells. I am 
not really a fan of this approach, but it would give you the behaviour you are 
looking for.

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/example-stevio/table.htm

-
Option 2 - columns
-
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-multicol/

-
Option 3 - Flexible Box
-
As Hassan mentioned, you could use the flexible box module as a solution
http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/


Not sure if any of these help...
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Re: [WSG] Correct behaviour of fieldset?

2011-11-01 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Stevio,

There could be a range of reasons for the select element issue, so the only 
answer would be it depends.

In your case, the issue MAY be related to font-size. Browsers may render the 
font-size of the select element slightly differently. This could mean that 
the em unit applied to the select element may be smaller in some browsers, 
and therefore the select element will not poke out the side of the form.

Here is a quick online example:
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/example-stevio/

There are three form examples on the page. All three of these forms have 
been set to 30em wide. 

The first form example has a select element with no width applied. 

The second form example has a select element set to 32em. Depending on the 
font-size of the select element, this may mean it pokes out the side of the 
form element.

The third form example has a select element set to 32em AND set to 100% 
font-size. So, in all browsers EXCEPT IE6, the select element SHOULD stick 
out the side of the form in all cases. In other words, this is a consistent 
and correct behaviour. (Child elements that are wider than the parent element 
should stick outside the parent and be fully visible, unless some form of 
overflow has been applied).

The only exception is IE6, which will operate differently. IE6 will force the 
parent to wrap around the child element. In this case, the form element will 
them become 32em wide in order to accommodate the select element. This is not 
the correct behaviour, but it is a well known IE6 behaviour  :)

HTH
Russ




On 01/11/2011, at 7:11 AM, Stevio wrote:

 I have noticed that the behaviour of fieldset is inconsistent across 
 browsers.
 
 I am working on a form where I have a fieldset with a 1px border. If the form 
 has a fixed width of 30em, but there is a select list within that form with 
 a width greater than 30em, then the form width will not expand but the 
 fieldset width *may* expand depending on which browser is being used.
 
 The fieldset width expands in Firefox and Chrome, but not in IE and Opera. 
 What is the correct behaviour?
 
 Thanks,
 Stephen 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Table borders

2011-09-30 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Grant, 

Try something like the code below:

1. The table markup is more accessible - th elements are very important for 
screen readers
2. There are no presentational attributes (every time we include presentational 
attributes, a fairy dies!)

!DOCTYPE html
html lang=en
head
meta charset=utf-8
titleGrant Bailey/title
style type=text/css media=screen
.Table_Text
{
border-collapse: collapse;
width: 600px;
}

th, td
{
border: 1px solid #000;
padding: 1em 2em;
vertical-align: top;
text-align: left;
}

.no-border { border: none; }
/style
/head
body
table class=Table_Text
thead
tr
td class=no-border/td
thColumn 1 Title/th
thColumn 2 Title/th
/tr
/thead
tbody
tr
thRow 1 Title/th
tdCol 1 Row 1/td
tdCol 2 Row 1/td
/tr
tr
thRow 2 Title/th
tdCol 1 Row 2/td
tdCol 2 Row 2/td
/tr
/tbody
/table
/body
/html



On 30/09/2011, at 7:01 PM, Grant Bailey wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I'd be grateful for some help on this problem.
 
 I need to display a table. No problem except that it is one of those tables 
 that have header columns on the left and right, which means that the top 
 left-hand cell should not appear (i.e. have no border). Like this (please see 
 attachment if the picture does not appear below):
 
 feegfdfj.jpg
 Here is my coding:
 
 table class=Table_Text width=92.2% border=1 align=center 
 cellspacing=0
 tr style=font-weight: bold; 
 td style=border:none;br //td
 td style=text-align: center; Column 1 Title/td
 td style=text-align: center; Column 2 Title/td/tr
 tr
 td style=font-weight: bold; Row 1 Title/td
 tdCol 1 Row 1/td
 tdCol 2 Row 1/td/tr
 tr
 td style=font-weight: bold; Row 2 Title/td
 tdCol 1 Row 2/td
 tdCol 2 Row 2/td/tr
 /table
 
 Unfortunately, all of the major browsers show the top-left cell with a border 
 (a bit fainter, but you can still see it), despite my efforts (shown in code 
 above) to render it invisible.
 
 If someone could advise me how to make the cell truly invisible I would be 
 most grateful.
 
 Thank you and kind regards,
 
 Grant Bailey



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Re: [WSG] Table borders

2011-09-30 Thread Russ Weakley
 Sorry to rain on the Russ parade, but your example is missing some critical
 elements: scope.
 
 The th cells define the cell as a header, but we need to say what it is
 heading.
 
 However I think this would also help to use headers, which lets us define at
 the td level which th cells are important.
 
 Now that you have a nicely marked up table, add the YUI data table
 javascript for even more accessibility, plus you can sort, stripe, and even
 create a chart from the table.
 http://new.yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/datatable/
 
 Although it's not as pretty as the excel exported markup :-0
 

Rain way! all good points  :)

One could argue that another accessibility benefit would be to add a table 
summary - but let's not open that HTML5-induced can off worms!




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Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?

2011-09-23 Thread Russ Weakley
 Hello All -
 
 I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9
 using IE9's Browser Mode Controls.
 
 This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite convenient
 but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these
 three browsers?
 
 If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test
 different modern flavors of IE.

Not ideal, but at least convenient - have you tried 
https://browserlab.adobe.com/ ?
You can check a wide range of browsers easily, including IE6/7/8/9

HTH
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Re: Disabled man got 6 years for sextortion

2011-09-02 Thread Russ Weakley
Agree. While horrible, the topic is not related to web design, development or 
web standards. 

THREAD CLOSED

Thanks
Russ


On 03/09/2011, at 12:04 PM, Tom Ditmars zar...@zarggg.net wrote:

 On 2011-09-02 20:38, Jay Tanna wrote:
 A Southern California disabled man was sentenced Thursday to six
 years in prison for infiltrating computers belonging to women and
 teenage girls where he found sexually explicit photos and threatening
 to put them online unless they provided him with more.
 
 [snip]
 
 At the risk of sounding callous, while the situation is unfortunate and
 abhorrent, I'm not sure how it relates to 


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Re: [WSG] border doesn't work when -ms-filter (gradient) is used

2011-07-09 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Tee,

Unfortunately, this is a known issue. 

Basically, this MS gradient filters will drown out or over-ride borders. You 
can see this more dramatically if you apply an MS gradient filter to a box that 
also has a border-radius defined. The MS gradient filter will render a gradient 
background as a square box - over-riding the round corners entirely. 

Bottom line: these MS filters are very crude, and also cause performance issues 
- making page load much slower.

Apologies if this was just a rough test, but if you were going to try and make 
these gradients cross-browser, you would need to do something like this 
(excluding the MS filter in sample below):

#c td
{
background-image: -webkit-gradient(linear,left top,left 
bottom,from(#fff),to(yellow));
background-image: -webkit-linear-gradient(#fff,yellow);
background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(#fff,yellow);
background-image: -ms-linear-gradient(#fff,yellow);
background-image: -o-linear-gradient(#fff,yellow);
background-image: linear-gradient(#fff,yellow);
}

The first one if for the current version of webkit - which uses the oldest 
syntax
The second one is for Chrome and the upcoming webkit versions (using the W3C 
syntax)
The third one is obviously mozilla (using a slightly older syntax, but works 
with the W3C syntax)
The fourth is for IE10 (using the W3C syntax)
Then Opera (using the W3C syntax)
And last, the actual W3C version

Aren't vender-specific extensions a joy :(

Be careful abut using the center keyword to define the start position/angle 
as this is really only supported by Mozilla (which uses a slightly older 
syntax). All other browsers support the W3C syntax, which allow the start 
position/angle to be defined using four options:

Option 1 - leave blank
You can actually leave the start point or angle undefined, and the browser 
will use the initial value “top” as the start point. 

Option 2 - single keyword
You can define the start point/angle using a single keyword: left, 
right, top, bottom

Option 3 - two keywords
You can define the start point/angle using two keywords: left top, left 
bottom, right top, right bottom
Note: center is not permitted.

Option 4 - angle
You can define the start point/angle using any positive or negative angle: 
0deg, 90deg, -50deg ... etc

I prefer option 1 where possible (simplest to write) or option 4 (can define 
exact angle).

HTH
Russ


On 10/07/2011, at 8:54 AM, tee wrote:

 Is this an IE9 bug?
 
 http://jsbin.com/acawat
 
 First table has -ms-filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.gradient for 
 th and td, border lines are gone except the first (border-top for th) and the 
 last {border-bottm for td).
 
 Thanks!
 
 tee
 
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Re: [WSG] Google Les Paul tribute

2011-06-09 Thread Russ Weakley

 HTML, CSS and JavaScript of course. 

Remarkably detailed and insightful help there!  ;)


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Re: [WSG] Accessible Modal/Lightbox Code

2011-05-22 Thread Russ Weakley
Please ignore. The user has been deleted form the system.
As you were...
Thanks
Russ

On 22/05/2011, at 8:24 PM, Richard Collmann wrote:

 Just how did this get in? And twice?
  



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Re: [WSG] Looking for Melbourne based web developers

2011-05-10 Thread Russ Weakley
Ok. Any replies need to be offlist directly to to original poster please!

Thanks
Russ


On 11/05/2011, at 12:54 PM, huyen tran huyentran1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Stefan !
 I'm can work SEO very good with cheapest prices.i ' have all severs. Can I 
 help you? please contact with me This is mail of me huyentran1...@gmail.com. 
 
 2011/5/11 Stefan Willoughby s...@w3d.com.au
 Looking for recommendations for web developers (Pref in Melbourne) for
 some Gov work.
 I know plenty of places for high end design work, but just need HTML,
 CSS and jQuery.
 I have more work that I can deal with at the moment.
 
 Cheers
 Stefan Willoughby
 (Bureau of Meteorology)
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Mobile detection using CSS media queries

2011-05-03 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Caleb,

This is probably one of those case by case decisions. For some small sites, 
simple media queries may be fine. However, if you have a large site, or high 
levels of mobile traffic, you may want to consider more robust alternatives - 
such as device detection etc.

This article is a little heavy handed - but worth reading:

CSS Media Query for Mobile is Fool’s Gold
http://www.cloudfour.com/css-media-query-for-mobile-is-fools-gold/

Good luck
Russ


On 03/05/2011, at 5:16 PM, Caleb Wong wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Is it safe to use just css media to target mobile devices such as iphone, 
 blackberry, android phones?
 And assume if I'm only embedding 1 stylesheet with various media queries in 
 it, would there be any lag in the page style load?
 
 Has anyone got some good examples/articles for targeting mobile platforms?
 
 Cheers
 Caleb


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Re: [WSG] What kind of unit is _qem ?

2011-04-30 Thread Russ Weakley
This question has come up on CSS discuss in the past.
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/104705

One answer:
I believe qem stands for quirky em and is a proprietary Webkit syntax 
used to refer to a margin which can be collapsed when the page is in 
quirks mode.

How weird is that!
Russ


On 01/05/2011, at 10:02 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:

 I see this unit being used with margin for example, in Mozilla and WebKit
 styles sheets, but I can't find any reference to it. 
 Looks like it is mostly use to declare vertical values (top, bottom, before,
 after). 
 
 Any clue? 
 Thanks
 
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Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Weakley
A lot of personal opinion here... but try these books:

Stunning CSS3 
by Zoe Gilenwater

The CSS Anthology 
by Rachel Andrew

Designing with CSS
by Andy Clarke

Transcending CSS
by Andy Clarke
http://www.transcendingcss.com/

The Ultimate CSS reference
by Tommy Olsson  Paul O’Brien

Building your own website the right way using HTML and CSS
By Ian Lloyd

One to avoid, as I have heard the author was on crack while writing it:

CSS in Ten minutes
by Russ Weakley

:)


On 06/04/2011, at 8:56 AM, Andrew Staff wrote:

 Hello all,
  
 I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a 
 recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible?
  
 I’ve been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I got 
 heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I’d class myself as an 
 intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a 
 starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in depth, 
 tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do’s and 
 don’ts, etc.
  
 I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading however 
 am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have as a reference 
 when needed at work etc.
  
 Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
  
 Kind Regards
 Andrew  
  
  
  
 
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Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Weakley
 
   I wouldn't trust w3schools.com (note that it has nothing to do with
   the W3C) after looking at their HTML tutorial:
 
   http://cfajohnson.com/torontowebdesign/w3schools/

There is also this site which takes issue with W3schools:
http://w3fools.com/

Personally, I think the approach taken by w3fools is a little too aggressive 
and emotional. Though they have relevant concerns, they use phrases like the 
site lies, blatantly false etc. 

The things is, it is easy for anyone to make mistakes. The W3fools site also 
have some minor issues in their own statements, which is kinda ironic. 
Anyway... each to their own. :)

Russ



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Re: [WSG] possible to make DT and DD behave like TH and TD column visually?

2011-03-31 Thread Russ Weakley
1. I think you invented a new property overholow:hidden. Supposed to be 
overflow: hidden; ?

2. If you place the borders on top of the elements, you have no lining up 
issues:

#data-attribute dt, #data-attribute dd
{
float: left;
padding: 5px 0;
margin: 0;
border-top: 1px solid #ddd;
}

3. Both items are floated left. Setting a clear: right will not help or have 
any affect here. Clear: right will clear any right floated item above.

Thanks
Russ

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On 31/03/2011, at 10:15 PM, tee wrote:

 http://jsbin.com/emiye5/4/
 
 The DD and DT are floated, when a DD has more content, the next set can't 
 stayed align horizontally. 
 
 P/s. I only use DL because LI doesn't make sense here and I can't get the 
 visual result I wanted. 
 
 #data-attribute {width:700px;background:#f9f9f9;overflow:hidden;}
 #data-attribute dt{font-weight:bold;width:15%;}
  #data-attribute dd{width:85%;clear:right}
 #data-attribute dt, #data-attribute dd {float:left;padding:5px 0;margin:0;
border-bottom:1px solid #ddd;}
 
 
 BTW, can one confirms if clear:right ever work or it only works with certain 
 combination? I have clear:right in the dd and it's not helping. Actually I 
 never able to get clear right work.
 Thanks!
 
 tee
 
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Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu Bar Help Needed

2011-03-29 Thread Russ Weakley
Our good friend Xiong is no longer with us (on the mailing list at least)
As you were...
Russ


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 hello , my good friend , our is china wholesale brand shoes . pls chack our 
 site in fo : www.west-trading.com
  
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Re: [SPAM] [WSG] html5 and iframes?

2011-03-09 Thread Russ Weakley
Agree... but support is sadly poor for the seamless attribute.

Here is a quick article on seamless:

iframe scrollbars and borders in HTML5 – working with “seamless”
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/2011/03/10/iframe-scrollbars-and-html5/

Thanks
Russ


On 10/03/2011, at 2:47 AM, Jon Reece wrote:

 Bob,
 Since IE does not support HTML5 elements and doesn't obey CSS border-style on 
 iframes, you have to include frameborder=0 to remove them. For browsers 
 that do support the HTML5 iframe element you can use the new seamless 
 attribute to remove the borders and scrolling.
 
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Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Neeraj,

Some questions: 

1. are you also aiming to make the PDF's accessible? (i.e. tagged PDFs)

2. why PDF to Word? 
I have found there is little benefit in this type of conversion. I just checked 
with a blind user now - asking is there any advantage in Word over PDF? 

His answer: If the PDF is well structured, converting it to Word could remove 
some of the assistive structure. If the PF is not well structured, there is no 
advantage either way

One place to try as a conversion service/tool is River Docs
http://riverdocs.com/

Good luck!
Russ


On 09/02/2011, at 1:18 PM, Neeraj Challana wrote:

 Hi all, 
  
 We need a tool to help us convert our many existing PDF documents into Word 
 and/or HTML to improve the accessibility of our web and intranet content. 
 While there are tools (both freeware and licence ware) available, I would 
 like to get some recommendations and experience of other organisations in 
 selecting and using of such conversion tools.
 
  
 Your help is greatly appreciated. 
  
 Thanks 
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Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Kerry. Neither the blind user or I were suggesting that alternatives were 
not a good idea, or even a requirement. I'd always recommend providing an HTML 
alternative if possible along with accessible (tagged) PDF. The question was 
about Word as as a viable alternative to PDF. I am not sure it is. Though 
others may disagree!

Thanks
Russ

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 Thanks for asking those questions, Russ, and checking with users of
 assistive technologies. I also wondered how moving from an open standard
 to a proprietary one would help anyone with anything...
 
 
 Perhaps because not everyone would agree with Russ' blind user, and they 
 might have a setup that can handle Word better than PDF.
 
 For those who might not be aware of it, current Australian government 
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Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems

2011-01-11 Thread Russ Weakley
Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files

Thanks
Russ

On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the same 
 in Safari and firefox.
 Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the 
 index page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the same 
 problem occur for the about us page too: the padding bottom of the div 
 bonus 
 What do you think may be the issue.
 
 Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help.
 
 I attached the files.
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: [WSG] Flight Centre looking for talented front end developers to start immediately

2010-12-22 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi all,

1. Please reply off list.

2. Jobs should not be posted to the WSG list. Instead, please send all jobs 
directly to memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org - they will rhen be sent out with 
each weeks links for light reading

Thanks
Russ


On 23/12/2010, at 10:54 AM, Ryan Blunden wrote:

 Hi everyone,
  
 Flight Centre are currently seeking full-time front end developers to start 
 immediately. This is an excellent opportunity for the right applicants to get 
 experience in a global ecommerce environment and enterprise content 
 management systems. Salary will be negotiated based on skills and experience 
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Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Russ Weakley
Why go that far? Why not let this browser see the CSS and fail gracefully - or 
semi-gracefully as needed (as long as the content and navigation are accessible 
so that the site can be navigated and read).


On 18/12/2010, at 10:20 PM, tee wrote:

 I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage 
 has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to 
 no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see 
 an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. 
 
 Can this be done?
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [WSG] Freelance Designer Needed

2010-12-01 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi all,
This list is not about jobs or freelance connections. please do all further 
communications off list!

Thanks
Russ



On 02/12/2010, at 2:59 PM, Daniel Anderson wrote:

 G'day, not sure if I am allowed to ask this on this list or not, but I am 
 struggling finding someone.
 
 I am in need of a Guru designer to team up with on a few jobs that I have. 
 All I need will be the PSD files and I will handle all the coding etc.
 
 If anyone could recommend someone that would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: [WSG] lazyweb://schema.agnostic.URLs

2010-11-10 Thread Russ Weakley
 Not quite:
 
 http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2010/02/10/5a-missing-schema-double-download/

Yikes! It all seemed so easy... suspiciously easy!  :)

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Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS rollovers for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Russ Weakley
 
 stop sending me emails

We've stopped sending this person emails. no need to comment on this.  :)

Continue with this great thread!

Thanks
Russ

BTW, every WSG email that goes out has an unsubscribe link at the bottom. 
Better to click that that tell 7,000 people you don't want any emails  :)



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Re: [WSG] Flight Centre looking for web developers - THREAD CLOSED

2010-09-06 Thread Russ Weakley

ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

Hi all,

1. Job ads are not allowed on the mail list (under The mail list does  
not cover):

http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

2. If anyone has job ads they wish to promote, please email me off- 
list. I'm happy to add any job to links for light reading, which  
goes out to all members once per week.


3. please do not reply to this thread

Thanks
Russ



Hi everyone,

Flight Centre are currently seeking full-time contract junior to mid- 
level front end developers to start immediately. This is an  
excellent opportunity for the right applicants to get experience in  
a global ecommerce environment and enterprise content management  
systems. Contract rate will be negotiated based on skills and  
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Re: [WSG] Yes or No? HTML5 FOR WEB DESIGNERS

2010-08-17 Thread Russ Weakley

now with added longdesc.. ;)

On 18/08/2010, at 1:25 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote:


good places to start with HTML5 are:

HTML: The Markup Language
http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/

HTML5 (Edition for Web Authors)
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/

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Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

2010-08-13 Thread Russ Weakley



I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like?


Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation  
(plus it
messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing  
this.
Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must,  
they have

to offer a solution that comes with the badge.

Fwiw, I'd delete that junk markup and go with good old _property and
*property hacks ;-)


I like to concept of Conditional Comments around the body, and can  
see your point about it going against the concept of structure/ 
presentation. Regardless, I have two other concerns:


1. to stop IE8 stalling, you have to place an empty conditional  
comment near the top of the document head. I'm sure that every time  
one of these is added to a document a fairy dies somewhere. Details  
here (under Update):

http://www.phpied.com/conditional-comments-block-downloads/

2. if you use a CMS that pushes classes into the body element, you  
are in all sorts of trouble with this method.


If you really like this method, an alternative is to use the same  
method on the html element.

http://htmlcssjavascript.com/css/rethinking-the-how-to-serve-ie-specific-css-question/

Here is a sample page (view source to see the Conditional Comments  
around the head element):

http://htmlcssjavascript.com/samples/cc/mine.html

The bottom line is that all solutions when dealing with earlier  
versions of IE are going to be some sort of hack - whether it is a CSS  
hack or an HTML hack - it comes down to choices that you have to make...


- which is most efficient
- which is most future proof (won't come back and bite you)
- which is easiest to maintain
etc

Thanks
Russ



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Re: [ADMIN} spam alert - Thread Closed Re: [WSG] RE:

2010-08-12 Thread Russ Weakley

What part of thread closed do people not understand?

Lea, I say we take off and nuke the entire list from orbit. It's the  
only way to be sure.


Russ



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Re: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet

2010-08-05 Thread Russ Weakley

Hey Jody,

First of all, the rules are incorrectly written. you need to include a  
property in front of the value:


@media print
{
body { color: #FF; }
}

@media all
{
body { color: #99; }
}


Secondly, the winner is the second rule. @media rules are just  
containers for a bunch of rules. They have no control over the  
cascade. The important thing here is the order they are written.


For printers you specify white text. Then for all devices (including  
printers) you specify a dark red text. The second rule wins due the  
the rules of the cascade:


both rules are from the same origin (author)
both rules have the same !important (none applied)
both rules have the same specificity (selector weight)

Therefore, the order that they are written in is the key and the last  
rule specified will win.


Thanks
Russ

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On 06/08/2010, at 3:20 AM, Jody Tate wrote:


Hi all,

Does @media rule ordering in a stylesheet matter? For example, given  
the following order:


@media print {
body {
#FF;
}
}

@media all {
body {
#99;
}
}

Will @media print override the @media all in this ordering?

Googling around, I've not found a clear answer to the question. So,  
any help is appreciated.


Thanks in advance,
jody

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Re: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet

2010-08-05 Thread Russ Weakley

wow - three answers for the price of one  :)


On 06/08/2010, at 3:45 AM, David Storey wrote:



No. the @media all will apply (well if there were any valid rules in  
the block). If the specificity is the same (as is the case in this  
example) and the query conditions both apply then source order wins.




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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2010-07-31 Thread Russ Weakley

I've just resolved the problem.
No more  discussion on this :)

Changing mail lists VERY soon

Russ



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Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-21 Thread Russ Weakley
It's still a bit hard to tell without seeing an example. Can you send  
a link to a cut down version of what the problem is?

Thanks
Russ



On 21/07/2010, at 3:31 PM, Jayachandran Kandasamy wrote:


Hi Russ,

I tried these CSS 3 properties and tested in the IE7 and Mozilla FF  
3.6.6 browser, they are not helping is there any special hacks  
available to overcome this problem


Thanks for your immediate response and article link you have given me.

Cheers,
JC




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Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-20 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi JC,

This is a question where a example would help. It all depends on:

1. the element in question (the TD element operates differently to DIV  
element in many cases)

2. whether sizing has been applied to the element
3. whether positioning had been applied to the element
4. which browser you are referring to (unless it is all browsers)

Here is a long-winded answer...

A DIV is a block level element by nature and will stretch to fit the  
viewport (browser window) or any containing box. As soon as you apply  
float, position: absolute or position: fixed the element MAY  
change in dimension (depending on whether you also add a width/height  
to the element). If no width is applied to a float, absolute or fixed  
width element they naturally tend to shrink-wrap or collapse in width.


The DIV, or any block level element for that matter, is also set to  
overflow:visible as the initial value. This means that an extremely  
long word, if wider than the width of the DIV, will poke out the right  
side of the DIV (assuming you have the default language - left to  
right - ltr).


You can control this behavior using the overflow property. The  
possible values in CSS2.1 are: visible | hidden | scroll | auto |  
inherit. For example:


div { overflow: visible; } /* will show any content regardless of  
whether it's wider or deeper than the element */
div { overflow: hidden; } /* will hide (cut off) any content that is  
wider or deeper than the element */
div { overflow: scroll; } /* will add horizontal and vertical scroll  
bars to the right and bottom of the element */
div { overflow: auto; }  /* will add a scroll bar to the affected axis  
of the element */


A TD element is quite different.

Unlike a block level element they naturally collapse in height and  
width. You can change this - giving them a set width or stretching  
them. They have one other unique characteristic. If you set a width on  
a TD and the content is wider than the applied width, the content will  
not flow outside the TD element (it will not overflow). Instead, the  
TD will expand to suit the needs of the content. You cannot apply  
overflow to a TD.


So are there any solutions? Well, CSS3 offers two properties that may  
be of use... word-wrap and word-break. Keep in mind that milage  
may vary. Safari and Internet Explorer support both of these  
properties. Firefox seems to support word-wrap but not word-break.  
Opera does not seem to support either.


Here super-quick is a test case for you:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/html-tests/property-wordwrap.htm

HTH
Russ


On 21/07/2010, at 2:58 AM, Jayachandran Kandasamy wrote:


Hi Team,

Is there any idea to overcome the problem when there is content  
without blankspace (spaces between words) inside TD / DIV is still  
expanding though it has fixed width.


Any suggestions welcome :)

Cheers,
JC

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Re: [WSG] [Job] Senior Freelance Web Designer | Melbourne

2010-07-13 Thread Russ Weakley

I take my eye off the list for two days

THREAD CLOSED

The guidelines clearly state that no job postings are allowed to the  
list - specifically for this reason.


If you want to push a job to all members, send to me and I can send  
out with our weekly email.


Thanks
russ



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Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction - THREAD CLOSED

2010-06-23 Thread Russ Weakley

ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

This thread is closed. Please move along. Nothing to see...

Thanks
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Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

2010-06-14 Thread Russ Weakley
A good point. I have started tracking IE6 users down on an individual  
basis, going to their houses and doing a forced upgrade. It is  
labour intensive, but it gets results!  ;)


Russ
IE swat team

On 14/06/2010, at 11:31 PM, Edward Lynn wrote:


Hi everyone,

For me the IE6 issue is to a degree self perpetuating. We all do our  
best to support IE6 and provide an experience which is as little  
degraded as possible, and in doing that very thing, we give IE6  
users no reason to upgrade. If everyone started not to ignore ie6,  
but to give them a degraded experience, and advise the user what  
they are missing out on, perhaps these users would start have have  
more of a reason to upgrade.


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Re: [WSG] Difference between applied CSS and Computed CSS

2010-02-25 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi Rateb BEN MOUSSA

I am not seeing any difference in font size between the sites on  
either Mac/FF3.5.7 or Mac/Chrome 5.0.307.9 beta.


Looking in Firebug, I see the body has been set in two places with a  
font-size of 12px.


template.css (line 3)
body {
color:#00;
font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size:12px;
}

editor.css (line 1)
body {
font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size:12px;
}

These rules appears to be the same in both locations.

One thing I do notice is that both sites have missing CSS in Safari -  
which causes large chunks of the page to appear unstyled.


The reason for this can probably be found in one of your css files:
/dev/serenitude/templates/serenitude/css/ 
css-5b04215701ad544b0144a40c4c2cdd38.php


In this css file you have a comment, a blank line and then an  
@charset:


/*** principale.css ***/

@charset utf-8;

The @charset MUST appear in the first line of a CSS file. As the  
canonical document on @charsets states:


Only one @charset rule may appear in an external style sheet and it  
must appear at the very start of the document. It must not be preceded  
by any characters, not even comments.

http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset

From personal experience, I can tell you that while all other  
browsers may be forgiving, Safari will ignore an entire style sheet if  
the @charset does not appear at the very start of the file.


Easy to fix, profound difference (at least in Safari)  :)

HTH
Russ




On 25/02/2010, at 9:05 PM, Rateb BEN MOUSSA wrote:


Hi all,


This is my first post here, I've a website which is hosted in two  
location and it still under development.


Here I've a correct render under FF 3.6
(1) 
http://www.serenitude.at/margot/vmchk/spa-fontenay/soin-spa-fontenay/nos-massages/id-menu-306.html

But here I noticed bigger text font under FF too
(2) 
http://www.steit.net/dev/serenitude/vmchk/spa-fontenay/soin-spa-fontenay/nos-massages/id-menu-306.html

I've tested both of those links in Chromium 5.0.335.0 (0) they show  
me the bigger font again.


Under Firebug I've noticed that there is no difference between  
applied CSS for both website (tab: Style in firebug), but the  
calculated CSS (tab: Computed in firebug) mention that (1) has font- 
size: 12px and (2) has font-size: 16px.


I wonder to know how this could be happen, is it a non closed tags  
or a misconfigured CSS that caused ambiguous inheritance.


Any idea about how to figure out with this problem, how to fix the  
render of this page to become the same under different navigators.




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Re: [WSG] @media

2010-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley

1. Is there a list showing browser support for @media?


Try the ever-helpful Site Point. The chart shows generally good  
support (with some caveats):

http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/at-media

The chart mentions IE and Firefox are buggy - but be aware that they  
are buggy in the opposite way to normal. The @media rules work well  
across browsers. However, if no media type is specified, the entire  
rule should be ignored as the W3C states: Invalid statements must be  
ignored. Oddly enough, both IE and Firefox support the rule when no  
media type is specified.



2.  I want to combine my ordinary CSS with my print style sheet by  
including an @media print {} declaration - does it matter where this  
goes in the stylesheet?


Your @media rules can be placed anywhere in the CSS file - unlike  
other @ rules. For example:


@charset must be the first line within your external CSS file  
otherwise it is ignored (Safari ignores the entire CSS file)

http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset

@import rules must appear before any other rules in a CSS file (apart  
from @charset).

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/cascade.html#at-import



3. Do you know of any links which expand on @media, generally?


Definitive page on CSS2 @media:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/media.html#at-media-rule

A basic example page:
http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/css_mediatypes.asp

A good tip page: Do Not Specify Media Types in the Markup
http://meiert.com/en/blog/20090617/maintainability-guide/#toc-media-types 



Worth reading up on more complex CSS3 media query options:
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/

HTH
Russ



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Re: [WSG] @media

2010-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi Tom,

Sorry, I should have provided examples in my last email.

1. Below is a normal CSS rule (like the first rule in the  
456bereastreet article) - which does not need a media type to be  
defined:


body { background: #fff; }

2. Below is an @media rule, which DOES need a media defined (note that  
an @media rule contains normal CSS rules - which are placed within  
brackets):


@media screen
{
body { background: red; }
}

3. You can add as many normal rules as you want into an @media rule as  
per below:


@media screen
{
body { background: red; }
p { background: yellow; }
h1 { background: lime; }
}

4. You can define an @media rule with a single media type or more than  
one media type (separated by a comma) as per the two examples below:


@media screen
{
body { background: red; }
}

@media screen, print
{
body { background: red; }
}

5. You CANNOT specify an @media rule WITHOUT a media type as per the  
example below. In most browsers, the @media rule above would be  
(correctly) ignored as it is incomplete. In IE and Firefox, the rule  
is not ignored, it is INCORRECTLY applied:


@media
{
body { background: red; }
}

Does this help?
Russ


On 24/02/2010, at 2:14 AM, Tom Livingston wrote:


So then in this article:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/201002/css_efficiency_tip_use_a_single_stylesheet_file_for_multiple_media/

In his code sample in the middle of the article, the first body rule
would be ignored - or, according to the spec, SHOULD be ignored -
because there is no media type specified for it?

Just trying to follow you here...




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Re: [WSG] Data URI encoder

2010-02-10 Thread Russ Weakley

Looks interesting, Mike  :)

For those unfamiliar with Data URI's, it may also be worth taking a  
look at this in depth article:

http://www.nczonline.net/blog/2009/10/27/data-uris-explained/

Also Using Data URIs in CSS:
http://nimbupani.com/using-data-uris-in-css.html

Thanks
Russ



Hi all,

May I ask the group to critique and comment on this image to data  
URI conversion tool?


http://websemantics.co.uk/online_tools/image_to_data_uri_convertor/

thanks
Mike Foskett
http://websemantics.co.uk/




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Re: [WSG] the mysteries of overflow: hidden - ADMIN

2010-02-10 Thread Russ Weakley
My apologies all. This charming individual has been removed from the  
list.


No need to comment on this and add unwanted noise to the list...

As you were.

Thanks
russ



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2010-01-31 Thread Russ Weakley
This discussion has been at times interesting (where there was healthy  
exchange of info) and worrying (when personal criticisms were used  
instead of calm discussions).


However, it looks like this thread has reached a point where we not  
gaining anything - just expressing disagreement.


So, unfortunately, it is time to move on.

THREAD CLOSED

Please do not continue this thread
Please do not reply to this email or any others in the thread
Please go about your business  :)

Thanks
Russ



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[WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi people,

A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:

1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or  
poor tab ordering)

2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible
3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers

(He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other,  
possibly more recent examples)


Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This  
is for some research he is conduction.  :)


Thanks
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility does not matter! - ADMIN

2010-01-30 Thread Russ Weakley

ADMIN

This discussion is quickly deteriorating into name calling, finger  
pointing, etc.
Please return to the discussion, and be respectful of each other -  
regardless of your differences of opinion.


Thanks
Russ





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[WSG] Regarding the loss of a web accessibility leader

2010-01-19 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi all,

Mike Cherim let me know earlier than Jack Pickard, web accessibility  
leader  and Team Access member passed away very recently, succumbing  
to a heart attack (at a young age, leaving behind a young family). He  
will be sadly missed by the accessibility community.


Mike also passed on some relevant posts for those who want find out  
more or leave a comment about Jack:


http://www.iancuddy.com/2010/01/17/jack-pickard-remembered/
http://accessites.org/site/2010/01/well-miss-you-jack/
http://www.thepickards.co.uk/index.php/201001/football-gossip-if-in-doubt-make-something-up/ 



Thanks
Russ




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Re: [WSG] internet explorer font names

2010-01-18 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi Marvin,

I've placed two valid examples online for you to check (will stay  
online for next 10 days or so only):


HTML: http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/marvin.htm
CSS: http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/marvin.css

Can you test these valid files and see if IE8 lets you hear/see the  
headings that were causing you issues?


Some notes on your files:

-
CSS issues
-

In both errors you have used:

background-color: left;

The value of left is not allowed (it also does not make sense as you  
are trying to apply a colour).


The allowed values include transparent, inherit and the various  
colour options. The options are:


Option 1: Color keyword values

Example: p { color: black; }

CSS 2.1 color keyword values must only include: aqua, black, blue,  
fuchsia, gray, green, lime, maroon, navy, olive, purple, red, silver,  
teal, white, and yellow.


More here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#color-units

Option 2: Hexidecimal values

Hexadecimal values use a '#' immediately followed by either three or  
six hexadecimal characters. The three-digit RGB notation (#rgb) is  
converted into six-digit form (#rrggbb) by replicating digits, not by  
adding zeros.


Example 1: p { color: #f00; } with three number value or
Example 2: p { color: #ff; } with siz number value

Option 3: Functional notation values

Functional notation values use rgb(' followed by a comma-separated  
list of three numerical values (either three integer values or three  
percentage values) followed by ')'.


Example 1: p { color: rgb(255,255,255); } with three numeric values
Example 2: p { color: rgb(100%, 100%, 100%); } with three percentage  
values


-
HTML issues
-

Many of your issues are associated with the use of the BR element and  
can be resolved by replacing br with br /.


The BR element is considered an empty or self closing element.  
When using XHTML (you are using XHTML 1.0 Transitional) self closing  
elements should include a trailing slash: br /


You have also placed several BR elements inside a UL element. This is  
not allowed. The only items that can be placed inside a UL element are  
LI elements.


More here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#edef-UL

You have the following paragraph with no closing paragraph element  
near the end of your document:


p style=clear:both;

Finally, your email address markup includes a subject hack:

mailto:i...@joes.com.au?subject=joe's Website Query

If nothing else, the subject needs to be correctly encoded so all  
spaces are replaced with 20%.


Example:

mailto:i...@joes.com.au?subject=joe's%20Website%20Query

Read more on this here:
http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/html/topics/urlencoding.htm

Regardless, this solution for email subjects is a far from ideal.

Read more on this here:
http://www.sightspecific.com/~mosh/WWW_FAQ/mailsubj.html
http://shadow2531.com/opera/testcases/mailto/modern_mailto_uri_scheme.html 



Final notes:

1. There are a range of cases where you have used BR elements where  
they are probably not needed. The same could easily be achieved using  
CSS by applying additional padding on one of the vertically adjacent  
elements.


2. Similarly, you have used the HR element in several instances and  
this could also be achieved using CSS by applying padding and borders  
to vertically adjacent elements. Not essential, but worth considering.


3. There are several instances where you have used a DIV or PARAGRAPH  
with the single purpose of clearing other content. Again, this could  
easily have been achieved by applying the CLEAR property to one of the  
existing following elements.


4. Finally, in two instances, you have used the TARGET attribute  
within an ANCHOR element - target=_top. There have been many  
discussions on this about this on the WSG list in the past. Rather  
than get bogged down in this again, two simple points:
- this is not ideal as it not valid for XHTML 1.0 Strict (even though  
it is acceptable in your case it is a good practice to move towards  
strict)

- leave these out and let the user control their experience!

Thanks
Russ

On 19/01/2010, at 10:04 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:


hi.
what do you mean vallidate the css and the pages.
did do that a while back and it vallidated all.




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Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for - THREAD CLOSED

2009-12-23 Thread Russ Weakley
OK, everyone... thanks for al the comments but enough. Please lets get  
back to discussing web standards, web development design etc.


Thanks
Russ



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Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (22/12/09)

2009-12-22 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi Rimantas

Why did I post this link? Because the article has an interesting take  
on HTML5.


This does mean that I agree or disagree with the article. I hoped that  
the article would lead to discussion and debate. I had also hoped that  
any discussion or debate would be conducted in a respectful manor  
(regardless of how strongly one feels that the other party is  
incorrect) and that anyone involved in the discussion would present  
their arguments rationally and calmly without sinking to personal  
attacks on other web standards group members (yes, the person who  
wrote the article is a member of this group).


Ahhh... I give up... there is no hope.

Russ


On 22/12/2009, at 10:46 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote:


Will HTML5 make the Web even more invalid?
http://rebuildingtheweb.com/en/html5-make-web-more-invalid/


Can you provide any reason why you keep posting links to this site?
Yes the blog _seems_ to be about web standards, but the posts
are just speculation of poor quality and based on the lack of  
information,

misunderstanding and false assumptions.

Sure, the guy has financial interest of keeping xhtml afloat, so he
may see the HTML5 as a threat, but that's not a good enough
reason to spout nonsense.

Regards,
Rimantas
--
http://rimantas.com/




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Re: [WSG] Google Wave webstandardsgroup? ADMIN

2009-12-05 Thread Russ Weakley

ADMIN - No more WAVE giveaways people!

Please do not write to the list offering invites
Please do not write to the list asking for invites

Thanks
Russ



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Re: [WSG] 8 invites for Google Wave

2009-12-03 Thread Russ Weakley

ADMIN

Google Wave invites are totally off topic - though its great to see  
people sharing.

Can we do the following:

1. if you have WAVE invites, feel free to post to the list - just for  
today only!
2. anyone asking for WAVE invites to respond directly to the invitee  
OFF LIST!


Thanks
Russ




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Re: [WSG] .box breaks up on feedback page.

2009-11-12 Thread Russ Weakley

Hi Katherine,

This is a case of the specificity, or the weight of one selector  
winning over another selector.


You initially apply a rule using this selector:
#navigation ul a { }

You then apply a new rule for the :hover pseudo-class, using this  
selector:

#navigation a:hover { }

The third rule you apply is aimed at the last link in your navigation,  
where the class of feedback is applied. This only takes place when  
you also have the id of feedback applied to the body element.

#feedback #navigation .feedback a { }

The first rule's selector has a weight of: 0-1-0-2 (no inline styles,  
one ID, no classes and two elements)
The second rule's selector has a weight of: 0-1-1-1 (no inline styles,  
one ID, one pseudo-class and one element)
The third rule's selector has a weight of: 0-2-1-1 (no inline styles,  
two IDs, one class and one element)


As you can see, this third rule has much more weight than the two  
rules above so it wins out - the :hover rule will not be applied in  
this case. There are a number of solutions, but the quickest is to  
write a new rule just for this case, making sure the selector is  
specific enough, and has enough weight:

#feedback #navigation .feedback a:hover { }

Does this all make sense?

I have a simple presentation about specificity and the cascade online  
here if it helps:

http://www.slideshare.net/maxdesign/css-cascade-1658158

Thanks
Russ


On 13/11/2009, at 4:29 AM, Kathleen R Dery wrote:


Hello,

I have a .box on my lists.  All of them have round corners except  
the one on feedback page.  I was able to get the corner on the  
bottom-right round last night at one point, but when I moused over  
it, it changed.  Not that corner is not round at all.  I am chasing  
errors, but have not found it yet.


Will someone help?

Thanks!!

Kathleen
http://198.189.180.32/ma-ftp/media-arts/DMA_C111/dery/site/feedback_6.html
http://198.189.180.32/ma-ftp/media-arts/DMA_C111/dery/site/main.css




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Re: [WSG] Accessible Image Map Editors

2009-10-25 Thread Russ Weakley

Hey Marvin,

Assuming that an image map must be used, then always include  
meaningful alt attribute content (or alt-text) for every area of the  
map. The alt-text should clearly explain the purpose of the relevant  
area.


Good luck,
Russ



hi.
is image map accessible with jaws?
i need to create a image map for a web page i am developing for one  
of my

online programming classes with http://www.johnsmiley.com
any recommendations would be appreciated.
cheers Marvin.




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Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1? - ADMIN

2009-10-19 Thread Russ Weakley

ADMIN

Hi all,

The conversation has been great, but we are now heading into heated  
discussion and direct attacks - which is unacceptable. Please remain  
civil and receptive or the thread will be closed.


Thanks
Russ
(civility police)




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Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value

2009-09-28 Thread Russ Weakley

Mike,
Sorry, but your statement is incorrect.

The start attribute is allowed in HTML 4.01 Transitional and XHTML  
1.0 Transitional
The start attribute is NOT allowed in HTML 4.01 Strict and XHTML 1.0  
Strict


Thanks
Russ


On 28/09/2009, at 11:23 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote:

The correct way to use list start values in XHTML is to use HTML v4  
instead.


mike





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Re: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts

2009-09-23 Thread Russ Weakley

Thanks everyone for kind words!

Remember, you can email me any time if you have events, resources, new  
applications, articles or links you want to share/pimp etc :)


Thanks
Russ



On 23/09/2009, at 5:43 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote:


Indeed. Spot on Captain!

Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards,

Frank M. Palinkas
Technical Writer, Opera Software
Documentation  Localization
Core Engineering  Consumer Products
Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11
http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/



On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:52 AM, lisa.kerri...@iird.vic.gov.au  
wrote:


 me too! fabulous stuff

Lisa Kerrigan | Manager Content  User Experience
www.business.vic.gov.au; www.diird.vic.gov.au
' +61 3 9651 9176 8 lisa.kerri...@diird.vic.gov.au
Department of Innovation, Industry and Regional Development
Level 31, 121 Exhibition Street, Melbourne, Victoria 3000.






On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, nedlud wrote:

 I second that.

  On the other hand, after looking at a few of the links the first
  few times I received those messages, I now delete them unseen.

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown
susi...@uq.edu.auwrote:

   Hi there
 
  I?d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking  
the

time
  to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find
really
  interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links  
from

it.
 
  So, thanks Russ ? it?s really appreciated!

--
  Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com
  ===
  Author:
  Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)




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Re: [WSG] Darius Design

2009-09-11 Thread Russ Weakley

He's gone.
Apologies for the slowness people.
Thanks
Russ



On 12/09/2009, at 3:14 AM, designer wrote:

I thought that folk who sent autoreplies were automatically  
unsubscribed? This is the third from Darius Design in as many days,  
and I'm getting rather fed up with it. I doubt that I'm alone . . .


Bob




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Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest

2009-08-03 Thread Russ Weakley

Enough please!

Thanks
Russ


On 04/08/2009, at 7:11 AM, Patrício dos Santos wrote:




LET'S DO


From: inspiron.patters...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:24:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

Oh, that is a good point! Let's do!!!

--
Brett P.



On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Tony McNulty ton...@gmail.com wrote:
Just for that I think we should keep him on!
From: Brett Patterson
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:35:16 -0400
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest
Please remove this user from the group ASAP!

--
Brett P.



On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Rowandanielpaulro...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:

Stop emailling me you fucktards i unsubscribed leave me alone!


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, TapirDesignsdesi...@tapirdesigns.co.uk 
 wrote:
I am currently away until 5th August but will get back to you as  
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Re: [WSG] working with line-height

2009-07-01 Thread Russ Weakley

Hey Ben,

That additional space you see above the letters is set aside for  
diacritical marks (umlaut etc).


If you replace the content within the 23 pixel paragraph with the  
content below, you should see that all the special character marks  
sit above the letters and fill this empty space.


Try adding this to the 23 pixel paragraph:
Ugrave;Yuml;Ouml;Otilde;Ocirc;Oacute;Ograve;Ntilde;Iuml;Icirc; 
Iacute;Igrave;Euml;Ecirc;Egrave;Aring;Auml;Atilde;Agrave;


How would you remove this space? The mind boggles. You are trying to  
mess with anonymous inline boxes. The actual inline boxes that wrap  
around text.

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#anonymous

I do not think that reducing the line height will resolve the issue  
as this will more than likely close the space BETWEEN lines - not  
reduce the height of the anonymous inline boxes themselves.


Thanks
Russ


On 02/07/2009, at 1:20 AM, Ben Lau wrote:


Hi list,

I frequently have to work with pixel-perfect design, and I'm always  
having trouble with line-height in particular. Please take a look  
at this example: http://www.hellobenlau.net/wsg/index.html


I'm wondering if there was a way to top align the text to its line- 
height. So say, with text size 20px, could the top of the 'T' be  
aligned to the top of the pink box?

How does the 'gap' above and below the text gets calculated?

Thanks
Ben

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Re: [WSG] Expand width of container to fit content's width?

2009-06-27 Thread Russ Weakley

Is it possible to expand a container's width to fit its content?

For example, if I have a page where the content is wider than the  
width available at the browser's current size, which means the  
horizontal scrollbar appear, I want the container to expand to fit  
the width of the content instead of having the content sticking out  
the side (because that makes the design of the page look poor when  
the user scrolls horizontally).


Thanks,
Stephen


Hey Stevio,

Without seeing a real example of what you are trying to achieve, it  
sounds like setting your container to a percentage width should do  
the job. Eg: #container { width: 100%; }


It will then expand and contract to the width of the browser window  
(or the width of a parent element if this parent has a width  
specified). Content will wrap inside this container as needed.


HTH
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Collapsing margins and relative positioning

2009-06-27 Thread Russ Weakley

Hey Grant,

Ok, this is a hard one to explain simply, but here goes:

Your position: relative container is being affected by margin  
escaping (top margins escape out of the parent container), while  
your position: absolute container is not being affected.


Here is a more detailed explanation (using some of the components  
from your original question):


--
TEST 1
--
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/grant-bailey/index.htm

HTML
div id=div_content
div id=div_omega
h1
I am the omega
/h1
/div
/div

CSS
#div_content { background: lime; }
#div_omega { background: blue; }
h1 { margin: 1em 0; background: yellow; }

- The #div_content has a lime background
- The #div_omega has a blue background
- The h1 has a yellow background as well as 1em of margin above and  
below.


RENDERED
- You should see the h1 content and it's yellow background.
- You should NOT see is the #div_content or it's lime background.
- You should NOT see is the #div_omega or it's blue background.

Why won't you see the #div_content or #div_omega? It's because the  
top margin on the h1 is escaping out the top of both of these two  
containers and they are wrapping tightly around the h1 itself -  
making them both invisible.


--
TEST 2
--
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/grant-bailey/index2.htm

In this case, the only difference is that #div_content also has  
border-top: 1px solid red;. As soon as this occurs, the h1's top  
margin is trapped inside #div_content. Then, the background of  
#div_content is visible. You should see #div_content's lime  
background (as well as the thin red border above).


This is normal margin behavior. You can trap descendant's margins  
using border or padding.


--
TEST 3  4
--
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/grant-bailey/index3.htm
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/grant-bailey/index4.htm

The only difference in these two cases from the tests above is that  
#div_omega (the parent of the h1) is set to position: relative;.  
As you can see, it makes no difference. The h1 top margin escapes  
if no border is on top of  #div_content (see index3.htm) and is  
trapped if the border is present (see index4.htm).


We still have not seen #div_omega or it's blue background. (If we had  
put the border-top: 1px solid red; on #div_omega we would have seen  
this element and not #div_content).


--
TEST 5
--
http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/grant-bailey/index5.htm

In this test, #div_omega (the parent of the h1) is set to  
position: relative;. As soon as this happens a few things change:


1. #div_content disappears except for the border-top. This is correct  
behavior as without any content in flow, the container will simply  
collapse.


2. we can see #div_omega and it's blue background.

3. More importantly, we can see that #div_omega is wrapping around  
the top and bottom margins of the h1 element.


--
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN
--
These rough tests show that regardless of whether #div_omega is in  
flow as in test 1 and 2 or set to position: relative as in test 3  
and 4 - the margin escaping issue is still the same.


However, as soon as #div_omega is set to position: absolute, the  
margin escaping issue is not relevant.


Does all of this make sense? I hope so. :)
Russ


On 27/06/2009, at 1:46 AM, Grant Bailey wrote:


Hello,

I have a question about collapsing margins. I realise that the margins
of relatively and absolutely positioned elements are not supposed to
collapse, but I've come across an example that appears to break this
rule. I'd be grateful if someone could clarify what is going on.

My issue is that, in all major browsers, the margin of the h1 of
#div_omega collapses with the margin of body, even though  
#div_omega has
been relatively positioned. Furthermore, adding padding to the body  
does

not seem to fix the problem.

Grant Bailey




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Re: [WSG] OT: Dominos Pizza -THREAD CLOSED

2009-06-17 Thread Russ Weakley

THREAD CLOSED.
WAAAY OFF TOPIC

Thanks
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On 16/06/2009, at 7:43 PM, Chris Dimmock wrote:


I think the answer is...
Yes, technically, there probably is more fibre  nutrition in the  
cardboard box

:)


Sent from my iPhone

On 16/06/2009, at 10:51 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote:

This is off-topic for this list so please respond direct to me  
rather than

the list ...

I'm looking to have a quick chat to someone who's worked at  
Dominos Pizza

some time in the last 5 years - not necessarily in the IT area - even
someone who's delivered pizzas would do.  But if you've worked  
there or know
something of how they operate, I'd be grateful if you could  
contact me.

(Just being a customer isn't enough - I am too)

I need to ask a fairly basic question about an aspect of their  
operations -
I wont be asking you to break any confidences and its not for any  
competing

project.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
0422 985 585
02-4577-4898
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-16 Thread Russ Weakley

On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote:

Now it is
h#{
left: -px;
}

that had issues with screen readers.


Interesting. Not in my experience.

What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have  
a test case that demonstrates the problem?


I'd agree with Benjamin.

Roger Hudson and I conduced research several years ago across a range  
of users and assistive devices (various versions of JAWS and Window- 
Eyes) and documented the results [1]. Part of this project included  
testing structural labels that were hidden from browsers using off- 
left. We found the off-left method to be successful in all cases  
(meaning that the relevant text was hidden from browsers but still  
able to be read out by the various screen readers).


The method I used included position:
position: absolute;
left: -500em;

[1] http://www.usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm

Of course, we'd all prefer to use the correct method, which is  
display:none - but we have not been able to use this due to issues  
with earlier versions of JAWS (content set to display: none was not  
read aloud by these screen readers) - negatively affecting the very  
people we were trying to assist.  :(


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Re: [WSG] add to favorites? - ADMIN - KEEP IT POLITE PLEASE

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN

This thread has deteriorated into slanging match.
Any more and the thread will be closed.

Keep the conversation constructive, helpful, considerate... Like a giant
virtual group hug  :0

Thanks
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List admin and group hug evangelist




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Re: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?) - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2009-03-25 Thread Russ Weakley
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2009-03-25 Thread Russ Weakley
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Re: [WSG] Hotlinking prevention does not work - ADMIN

2009-03-21 Thread Russ Weakley
 This is not the place to discuss such problems.
 This mailing list is to be used for discussions
 based around Web Standards.
 
 I don't disagree, but darn, web standards related or not I was curious to
 see the responses. :(

ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

All responses can go off list to the original poster!
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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2009-03-16 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED!

Enough! This discussion has gone on far too long.
Please get back to discussing relevant topics!

As the guidelines state:
Do not post problems or complaints to the list. Instead, email Peter
and Russ off-list (memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org)

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Re: [WSG] macpro and softwares..

2009-03-05 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi Naveen,

Here are some resources to try...

Testing

Try Parallels (though there are others out there apparently equal or
better?). This allows you to install multiple versions of Windows ­ which
means you can test IE6/7/8 in different versions.
http://www.parallels.com/

HTML/CSS Editors

BBEdit - http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
Coda - http://www.panic.com/coda/
CSS Edit - http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/
skEdit - http://www.skti.org/skedit/
TextMate - http://macromates.com/

FTP

CyberDuck - http://cyberduck.ch/
Fetch - http://fetchsoftworks.com/
Transmit - http://www.panic.com/transmit/

Browsers

Camino - http://caminobrowser.org/
Demeter - http://www.hurrikenux.com/Demeter/
Firefox- http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
Flock - http://www.flock.com/
Icab - http://www.icab.de/dl.php
Lynxlet - http://habilis.net/lynxlet/
Netscape - http://browser.netscape.com/
OmniWeb - http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/
Opera - http://www.opera.com/
Safari - http://www.apple.com/safari/
SeaMonkey - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/
Shiira - http://shiira.jp/en/
Sunrise - http://habilis.net/lynxlet/

Good luck!
Russ

 I used to work in a windows system and now I am working in a macbook pro. how
 can I test my webpages for IE. Is there any IE installers available for mac?
 Also pls let me know what are the softwares available for a UI developer for
 Mac.
 
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Re: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-23 Thread Russ Weakley
Hey Brett,

There are many ways to do what you need - so you may not need to use a
multiple class selector at all.

OPTION 1
--
Using the html example you sent in a previous email, you could target
instances of content using descendant selectors based on the parent classes
alone - without the need for styling the information or more-styles
classes at all.

HTML:
div class=first-class
p class=informationContent goes here on line 1/p
/div
div class=second-class
p class=information more-stylesContent goes here on line 2/p
/div

CSS
.first-class p { background: #FCC; }
.second-class p { background: #AAC; }


OPTION 2
--
You could do the same with a combination of parent classes and the
information class:

.first-class p.information { background: #FCC; }
.second-class p.information { background: #AAC; }


OPTION 3
--
You could style just the two class instances alone (without the parent
classes):

p.information { background: #FCC; }
p.more-styles { background: #AAC; }

This would style any p with a class of information with a background of
#FCC, and any p with a class of  more-styles with a background of #AAC.
If the p has both classes, then more-styles would win (as it is written
after the other rule) and the background would be #AAC.


OPTION 4
--
Finally, you could use a multiple class selector for the second rule (though
this seems unnecessary, as you can see from the options above):

.information { background: #FCC; }
.information.more-styles { background: #AAC; }

One reason to avoid the multiple class selector (.information.more-styles)
is IE5's and IE6's lack of support.

I wrote an article on multiple classes some time ago, in case you want a
little more info:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/multiple-classes/

HTH
Russ



on 24/2/09 4:29 AM, Brett Patterson at wrote:

 So, where:
 p class=information more-styles
 
 what I was wondering (I should have worded better, sorry) was if I took:
 
 .information
  {
  background-color: #FFF;
  color: #000;
  }
 /* This below, will apply only to the paragraph with the more-styles class
 applied to it */
 .more-styles
  {
  color: #333;
  }
 
 and applied to both of those paragraph (through the classes), which is the
 last paragraph. The first paragraph has only one class assigned to
 it...whereas, the last paragraph has 2 classes assigned: the first class
 assigned, i.e. information, contains the formatting (the formatting applied is
 the background-color, and the font's color (color)) that will apply to all the
 paragraphs with that class assigned to them (it); the last class assigned,
 i.e. more-styles, will change only the font's color in that particular
 paragraph...
 
 Is what the style you have applied, like if I had done this instead of what is
 applied at the top?:::
 
 .information.more-styles
  {
  styles: here;
  }
 




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[WSG] Sydney meeting tonight

2004-06-10 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Tonight 44 people attended our Sydney WSG meeting - a huge night (where lots
of beer was consumed).

A big thank you to Peter Ottery, who  did a fantastic presentation on the
Sydney Morning Herald site and its conversion to full CSS. We will get the
presentation up on the WSG site as soon as possible.

Thanks to all who turned up!
Russ and Peter

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Re: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
This is a perfect example of tabular data - it is semantically correct
inside a table. Instead of thinking of ways to convert it into divs, you
should be working on implementing accessibility features:
id, headers for, summary, caption, etc.

A rough example if id's and headers in action is here:
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/css/accessible/

Russ



 Greetings
 I'm trying to replace this table
 http://www.easyhttp.com/temp/plans.html
 with a table-less layout using only CSS divs no tables
 any idea how to do it ?

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[WSG] Ten questions for Dan Cederholm

2004-06-07 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Dan Cederholm is the author of Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style
Handbook as well as many articles on standards-based design for publications
such as A List Apart . Dan also runs the popular weblog SimpleBits , where
he writes articles and commentary on the web, technology and life.

Read more:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/dan-cederholm.cfm

Russ

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Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment

2004-06-05 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
I think can beat that!

I played around with flash and and then Peter and I were threatened with
defamation in the Supreme Court of Queensland:
http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149

But that was before we became responsible listparents  :)
Russ



 I played around with flash - in a wk i made blue box move from one side to
 another :D!!

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Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment - OT

2004-06-05 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Apologies to all - I seem to have done some thread hijacking of my own!

That off-topic post was made in a flippant mood on Saturday night. The site
in question was taken down a year or two ago, so the games cannot be seen.
However, the front page is still available on the wayback machine (may
offend some viewers):
http://web.archive.org/web/20020925212239/webwank.net/

In those days we were into political activism and fighting for the rights of
Indigenous Australians. Now we are standards evangelists fighting for CSS
and standards against repressive regimes (such as IE6).  :)

Back to discussions on web standards...
Russ



 Sorry, I meant the site the article talks about - webwank.net - I want to
 throw tampons at John Howard!
 

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Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto... MOVED TO DISCUSSION ROOM

2004-06-04 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Ok, this thread is way off topic now.
As it seems of-interest to a section of members, rather than close it we
have moved it to the discussion room:
http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/17.htm

Any further discussion on this thread can take place in there but NOT on
list.

Thanks
Russ



 On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:41:32 +1000, Alan Harrison wrote:
 Mark is quite correct when he says that complex e-mail harvesters will
 probably work around these methods, but it appears that most of the
 harvesting is done by very basic programs that are looking only for e-mail
 addresses stored in conventional format.
 
 Assuming true intelligence on the part of a spammer is probably going
 too far, but it does occur to me that it is in the interests of
 spammers not to try too hard to collect addresses.
 By only collecting the most easily found addresses (ie the
 un-obfuscated ones) they:
 1) still get many millions of addresses to use and
 2) are less likely to reach the group that will report them.
 
 But that sort of thinking assumes sensible reasoning on the part of the
 spammer. :)
 
 FTR - I've had great success with minimising spam with simple
 replacement with character entities. Note that I also hide the
 'mailto:' part.
 
 Lea

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[WSG] Some links for light reading...

2004-06-03 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Joe Clark and Craig Saila have been looking at Canadian Government election
websites from an accessibility point of view - interesting reading
http://blog.fawny.org/2004/06/03/election/

Associated pages:
http://joeclark.org/election/releases/
http://joeclark.org/election/findings/
http://joeclark.org/election/findings/#summary

The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must
Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!)
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

Dean Edwards IE7 update:
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/update.html
http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/intro/

Gurus v. Bloggers, Round 2 - light-hearted looks at web sites
http://www.designbyfire.com/96.html

Thanks
Russ

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Re: [WSG] Budget Design - ALREADY CLOSED

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Mordechai and Rick,

This thread was closed about 10 hours ago by Peter (Listdad)
Please do not continue.
Thanks
Russ


 What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including
 individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same
 industry. The legal term here is price fixing, and it is taken very
 seriously, regardless of the intent of the discussion or the context within
 which the discussion takes place.
 
 Not true.
 
 What isn't true?
 
 That you have any idea of the illegalities of price fixing discussions,
 whether such discussion is implemented or not?
 
 Rick Faaberg

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Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Hi Sean,

I have been interviewing a range of high profile web developers who have
information that could be of value to WSG members. In each case, I have
approached people, they have not approached me.

I wanted to keep the interviews to 10 questions as I generally do not like
reading interviews unless they are short, sharp and to the point. The
interviews are published for anyone, but my real focus is for WSG members -
people dealing with the implications of web standards on a daily basis.

Next Tuesday, Dan Cederholm's interview will go live (very excited about
this one), then we will begin series two - which will hopefully include:

Richard Rutter
Molly E. Holzschlag
Jeffrey Zeldman
Sean Corfield
Jon Hicks
Dave Shea

If you have any burning questions you would like to as this next series of
people, please email me off-list and I'll try to include your question in
the overall ten questions.

Thanks
Russ



 Ten Questions for whomever   With the WSG Ten Questions for Whomever thing,
 do you have to ask to be intervied or does someone ask you if you can be
 interviewed? 


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Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Well... That is slightly incorrect... So far we have done:

Eric Meyer
Keith Robinson
Anne van Kesteren
Nick Finck
Andy Budd
Patrick Griffiths
Simon Willison

None of these people will be presenting at Web Essentials 2004 in Sydney.

Over the coming months I'll be interviewing Dave Shea, then possible Doug
Bowman, Joe Clark and John Allsopp - all of whom will be presenting at WE04.

Russ


 AFAIK You have to be a big player in web standards, there has also been
 some correlation between interviewees and people at the Web Essentials
 seminar series later this year which is fair enough.

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Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for whomever

2004-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Don't worry, Man in blue, you are on my to interview list!
:)
Russ

 I heard he's a J.D. Salinger-type recluse who only
 gives interviews for six figures.
 


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