Re: [WSG] Adobe Forum comment on CSS in visual editors
As far as I see Adobe is not to bothered with webstandards, Macromedia see standard compliance as a string to DW bow. The adobe site is based old skool web design, surface looks nice but underneth its ugly. I gather that since adobe is renowned and respected for design orientated products like Photoshop, the adobe perpspective (short sighted as it may be is) focused on allowing designers with knowledge of photoshop and other such packages to be able to knock out web pages with not to much fuss, thoughing standards out the window DW is the most accomplished web standards pacakge although it has to be confiigured to do so, the time and effort in this is above and beyond just doing it by hand (browser/simple html editor) Quark (http://www.quark.com/) I believe has a web publishing package I have heard that it supports web standards, with little configuration, the site has been xhtml for a long time now Czeslaw Liebert wrote: I am a bit amazed with Adobe's approach to this matter; i even hope that it was this technical man's personal opinion on the subject. Why? The DW team is constantly trying to make their product compatible with web standards - the WaSP group is encouraging them to do so (http://www.webstandards.org/act/campaign/dwtf/), and yet we can see some results of it in the newest version on DW; sure it still isn't perfect but we can observe some progress. Why shouldn't Adobe GoLive team do the same? The web has passed the point of safe return when it comes to web standards, accessibility and usability matters; they are to be taken under consideration even by folks at Adobe. It's the only way... --- Czes³aw Liebert http://www.78and85.com/ tel. (+48) (0) 504 425 892 mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Explain why div isnt contained
I asked the same issue a few days ago, the answer is on the following page Mordechai Peller advised me to read the following Another thing to check out http://positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html I read it, and decided to adopt a work around since I found the syntax of the various hacks mind boggling hope this help ss Adam Hough wrote: Link to my problem page (http://dampsponge.com/layout/layout1.htm) I want to understand containing boxes and why some child boxes don't push their parent down the page. I have a div in this page called; #container border: 1px solid #000; background: url(purlpeimage.jpg) repeat-y right;) this div sits around 2 other divs; 1. #content (float:left;width:560px;) 2. #sidebar (margin-left:560px) In FF, Opera Netscape (leave out IE, there is an issue there with the #sidebar that i will resolve later) the border of#container is clearly visible. #conainer doesn't seem to contain the #content div (with its own nested divs), it instead only works off the height of the #sidebar div. Why doesn't the wrapping div contain the child #content div like it does the #sidebar so that the black border wraps it all? nameadam hough sitedampsponge.com suggestiondont dig to deep you might get burnt by the molten lava ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Thx Sam aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.ss29.co.uk t: 07958 322 010 --- Passion Inspires Creativity ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] placing a footer flush to th bottom of page with css
www.inisbua.co.uk/v2/index.php I have coloured the backgrounds with green and blue to make distinction easier I am using a reset class as an attempt to clear objects from each other, everything I try seems to have no effect ie6 display correctly ff does no apply height to cont-wrapper at tall opera doe it proper this leaves me confused any help pointers appreciated div id=wrapper (Blue Background 100% width height no margins or padding) div id=baseDisp (Green Background 100% width height no margins or padding) div id=masthead div id=mheaderh1Inisbua/h1/div div id=logo/div div id=nav-wrapper/div /div div class=reset/div div id=cont-wrapper div id=main ... /div div id=sidebar ... /div /div /div div class=reset/div div id=footer div id=ftnavftnav/div /div thanks Sam ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] image alignment?
Bryan Loeper wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:17:29 +, Sam - SS29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.ss29.co.uk/wsg/test.html
Float Left and Right with a few additions,
They need to be vertically centered as well:
are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one? one
image left aligned, one right aligned, both vertically centred?
-Bryan
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Using the webdeveloper plugin in firefox I played with the numbers.
Using pixel set margin has achiveved this.
dont have time to check in other browsers
table.header { border: 1px solid green; width: 640px; }
div.header { border: 1px solid green; margin: 0pt 0pt 20px; width:
640px; height: 104px; display: block; }
#imageone { border: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 0; padding: 0;
display: block; float: left; }
#imagetwo { border: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 255); margin: 13px 0 13px
5px; padding: 0; display: block; float: right; }
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Re: [WSG] Site review - www.caexpo.com.au
very nice, good for me in IE6, ff1 and opera7.23 impressive css text size is fine and does nt break layout as resize The only small issue could be to doctyp not being a full one see http://webstandards.org/learn/templates/html401t.html but others may think differently SS Hill, Tim wrote: Hi I would like to hear any feedback about a new site I've had in development. It is located at www.caexpo.com.au ; The validation error about an I have noticed and will remedy soon. Thanks, Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Thx Sam aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.ss29.co.uk t: 07958 322 010 --- Passion Inspires Creativity ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] image alignment?
http://www.ss29.co.uk/wsg/test.html Float Left and Right with a few additions, Making the transition from table based old skool designs to XHTML - CSS with all the rigours of even transitional standard is quite a task simple issues like images alignment etc can seem insurmountable at times. The shear number of variations between CSS Levels 1, 2 3 implementations in browsers create a minefield of issues. Various ugly looking hacks cause me numerous nightmares any body know of a good plain speaking guides to using CSS to produce layouts. SS adam reitsma wrote: Hello, This might be a familiar story to you - i'm after a simple image layout. I can code this layout in tables with my eyes shut, but can't get it to work for me using css for layout. http://adam.mvknowles.com/imagealign/test.html are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one? one image left aligned, one right aligned, both vertically centred? Any help is appreciated. Regards, adam reitsma. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Thx Sam aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.ss29.co.uk t: 07958 322 010 --- Passion Inspires Creativity begin:vcard fn:Fru2ty @ SS29 UK email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:07958 322 010 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.ss29.co.uk version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode
I have forced Quirks mode for certain browsers in the past, I became quite an involved approach. My current goal is to use a robust xhtml/css layout and use a minium of hacks I am inspired by the concept of a sequence of css hacks to deliver certain styles to certain browsers www.stopdesign.com - and search for css hack. I have not yet had the time to read, lab test or in any way get indepth with the issues ideas put forward. This is partly due to the utterly nonsensical notation used in some hacks. My thoery is that in the past (old skool days) sites were lashed together relying on unstandard code which often branched in x number of directions this approach held its own quarks and issues. Content was locked up in tables etc. Now my new skool approach is (or soon will be - its still being honed) is to lessen the number of hacks use standard code and say to hell with bad browsers - I am still find numerous issues with it, annoyingly I had such a sweet method for producing table based layouts fluid effiecent quick although site were a lot harder to maintain. The nu skool method means sites need a more progressive on going approach to design and maintenance is easy. Also I would say that Stop Design is using a form of css slicing, the site is near perfection imo SS Terrence Wood wrote: Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? I have seen this done on a couple sites (ok...one), where the site has a comment in the first line before the doctype ( = quirks mode ).the notion of doing this seems attractive at first glance because you can lump IE5, 5.5 and 6 together and develop for a single IE box-model. Are there any other benefits/limitations of doing this? cheers Terrence Wood. -- Thx Sam aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.ss29.co.uk t: 07958 322 010 --- Passion Inspires Creativity ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
