Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)
No it isn't. My job is there for me. But I will unsubscribe On 14/03/2011, at 6:41 AM, Jay Tanna jta...@rocketmail.com wrote: No it is another way to say someone has been sacked! 12 months of leave! I need to switch to the public sector... 2011/2/21 Sam Lawry s...@vla.vic.gov.au Thank you for your email. I am on leave from Victoria Legal Aid until March 2012. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)
I have previously unsubscribed from this list (vla email) as I am on leave, please confirm I am removed so I don't get any more of this rubbish. Cheers, Sam From my iPhone Sam Lawry writer I editor www.7projects.com.au 0418 533 541 On 14/03/2011, at 6:41 AM, Jay Tanna jta...@rocketmail.com wrote: No it is another way to say someone has been sacked! 12 months of leave! I need to switch to the public sector... 2011/2/21 Sam Lawry s...@vla.vic.gov.au Thank you for your email. I am on leave from Victoria Legal Aid until March 2012. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (out of office)
Thanks for your email. I am in the office Mondays - Wednesdays. If you have requested a response I will get back to you when I return. Please note I am on leave from 17 January 2011, returning 1 February 2011. If you need help with content management please contact David Linden on 03 9269 0267 or email dav...@vla.vic.gov.au Regards, Sam Sam Lawry Acting Content Manager (Mon-Wed) Online Services Victoria Legal Aid www.legalaid.vic.gov.au 9269 0279 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 01/12/11 17:54 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:57:21 +0100 Subject: browsers rendering problems Hi there, I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the same in Safari and firefox.Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the index page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the same problem occur for the about us page too: the pa dding bottom of the div bonus What do you think may be the issue. Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help. I attached the files. Thank you. [removed attachment: style.css] [removed attachment: index.html] [removed attachment: about.html] [removed attachment: about.css] * From: Sanath Peiris sanat...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:31:21 +0530 Subject: E Learning for Telecom Operators(Telcos).I Hi WSGroup I am looking for an GUI Concept for *E Learning for Telecom Operators(Telcos)*.If any body have any idea Please reply. Cheers Sanath * From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:17 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files Thanks Russ On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi there, I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the s ame in Safari and firefox. Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the i ndex page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the same pro blem occur for the about us page too: the padding bottom of the div bonus What do you think may be the issue. Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help. I attached the files. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** style.css index.html about.html about.css * From: olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:42:47 +0100 Subject: RE: [WSG] browsers rendering problems here are the link for the home page: http://www.expressionofmind.com/home.h tmlabout us page: http://www.expressionofmind.com/about.htmland the link fo r the css files: http://www.expressionofmind.com/css.html basically They don't render the same in Safari and firefox. The padding-bot tom of the div information in the index page doesn't render the same in f irefox as in Safari, and the same problem occur for the about us page t oo: the padding bottom of the div bonus What do you think may be the is sue.Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help . Subject: Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems From: r...@maxdesign.com.au Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:17 +1100 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files Thanks Russ On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi there, I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the same in Safari and firefox. Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the index page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the sa me problem occur for the about us page too: the padding bottom of the div bonus What do you think may be the issue. Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help. I attached the files. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** style.css index.html about.html about.css
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)
Thanks for your email. I am in the office Mondays - Wednesdays. I am back in the office on 4 January 2011. f you have requested a response I will get back to you when I can. If it is urgent (until 24 December 2010) please contact David Linden on 9269 0267 or email davi...@vla.vic.gov.au If you require content published urgently between 29 - 31 December 2010 please call me on 0418 533 541. Best wishes for a peaceful end of year, and for 2011. Regards, Sam Sam Lawry Acting Content Manager (Mon-Wed) Online Services Victoria Legal Aid www.legalaid.vic.gov.au 9269 0279 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 12/23/10 01:19 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Nancy Howard (Scotia Capital) nancy_how...@scotiacapital.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:21:02 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest Out of office alert! I am currently out of the office, returning Wednesday, January 5th. If necessary, please contact kelly mcc...@scotiacapital.com, 416-866-7031. Thank you, Nancy --- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to wh ich it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material . Any review, re-transmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other t han the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in err or, please contact the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and then immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. No member of the Scotiaba nk Group is liable for any errors or omissions in the content or transmissi on of this email or accepts any responsibility or liability for loss or dam age arising from the receipt or use of this transmission. Scotiabank Group may monitor, retain and/or review email. Trading instructions received by e -mail or voicemail will not be accepted or acted upon. Unless indicated in writing, opinions contained in this email are those of the author and are n ot endorsed by any member of the Scotiabank Group. For information on some members of the Scotiabank Group: http://www.scotiac apital.com/EmailDisclaimer/English entities.htm For authorized users of the Scotia Capital trademark: http://www.scotiacapi tal.com/EmailDisclaimer/English trademark.htm Pour obtenir la traduction en français: http://www.scotiacapital.com/Emai lDisclaimer/French.htm Traducción en español: http://www.scotiacapital.com/EmailDisclaimer/Spa nish.htm * From: David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:06:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet On 12/20/10 6:14 PM, Chad Kelly wrote: - Original Message - From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. [...] This is where I came in. (2002) All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a year or so. The Year of Living Dangerously? ;) Cordially, David -- * From: Tim Kadlec t...@timkadlec.com Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:47:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [WSG] jQuery Mobile for Mobile site jQuery Mobile is a nice, if slightly unpolished due to it's very recent release, framework - but you're right - it's primarily intended for apps and I think it works much better if an app is what you have in mind. If you're looking to do something not quite app-like, then I'd point you in the direction of Yiibu (specifically this page http://yiibu.com/about/site/) as an example of what you can do. They're experimenting with a mobile first approach, combined with elements of responsive web design and feature detection in order to provide their content to as many mobile devices as possible. If you dig around their site a little bit, you'll see related articles that are well worth the read. I would also recommend the Mobile Web Yahoo group which is quite active and a great resource for mobile web development. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mobile-web/ Hope that helps! -- Take care, Tim - http://breakingdc.com http://twitter.com/tkadlec http://timkadlec.com On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:06 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Any one developing Mobile Web has an insight for jQuery Mobile? I was studying the framework last night, couldn't quite decide whether it's best to adapt it to my mobile web development. After reading the documentation and tested all demos, my impression is, it's more geared towards Apps
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)
Thanks for your email. I am in the office Mondays - Wednesdays. If you have requested a response I will get back to you when I can. If it is urgent please contact David Linden on 9269 0267 or email davi...@vla.vic.gov.au. Regards, Sam Sam Lawry Acting Content Manager (Mon-Wed) Online Services Victoria Legal Aid www.legalaid.vic.gov.au 9269 0279 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 12/09/10 16:34 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Ladybug beli...@ladybug.com.au Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:38:38 +1100 Subject: We are currently out of the office Thank you for your email. We will be out of the office until Wednesday 15th December 2010. We will reply to your email as soon as we return. For any urgent enquiries or support, please email supp...@ladybug.com.au Kind Regards, Belinda * From: Andy Dempster ademps...@sme.org Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:42:31 -0500 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [BULK] WSG Digest I will be out of the office on Wednesday. I will get back to you on Thursday. * From: cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:01:42 -0800 Subject: images against color backgrounds I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages where there are color backgrounds, and the image must have some of that background color in them. Example: you want to place an image with a drop shadow, so in photoshop, you prepare your image with drop shadow, both of them in layers above the same background color as on the page. When you place such an image, flattened and jpg'd, it looks seamless. Trouble comes when you want to change the background color on the page (s) where you've already prepped the images with a given color..then you have to change that, too, and re-jpg, re-place, etc.. Some images don't look right unless their lifted off the page with a drop shadow, IMHO... cs * From: Joseph Taylor j...@sitesbyjoe.com Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:51:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds .png with alpha channel is the best way to go. IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the transparent background gray. Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for the .png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent) You can also make 8 bit .pngs (with no alpha channel) that behave just like .gif Joseph R. B. Taylor /Web Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: j...@sitesbyjoe.com On 12/8/10 4:01 PM, cat soul wrote: I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages where there are color backgrounds, and the image must have some of that background color in them. Example: you want to place an image with a drop shadow, so in photoshop, you prepare your image with drop shadow, both of them in layers above the same background color as on the page. When you place such an image, flattened and jpg'd, it looks seamless. Trouble comes when you want to change the background color on the page(s) where you've already prepped the images with a given color..then you have to change that, too, and re-jpg, re-place, etc.. Some images don't look right unless their lifted off the page with a drop shadow, IMHO... cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.au Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:11:50 +0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds .png with alpha channel is the best way to go. IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the transparent background gray. Can be conditionally fixed with js, for example: http://www.dillerdesign.com/experiment/DD_belatedPNG/ Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for the .png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent) You can also make 8 bit .pngs (with no alpha channel) that behave just like .gif Joseph R. B. Taylor Web Designer / Developer -- Sites by Joe, LLC Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)
Thanks for your email. I am in the office Mondays - Wednesdays. If you have requested a response I will get back to you when I can. If it is urgent please contact David Linden on 9269 0267 or email davi...@vla.vic.gov.au. Regards, Sam Sam Lawry Acting Content Manager (Mon-Wed) Online Services Victoria Legal Aid www.legalaid.vic.gov.au 9269 0279 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 12/03/10 09:10 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Peter Larsen p...@rts.dk Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:16:46 +0100 Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest Jeg er ikke på skolen i øjeblikket. Men vender tilbage så hurtigt jeg kan I am not at the college at the moment - but I will get back to you as soon as possible Med venlig hilsen/best wishes Peter Larsen Center for Medie og Kommunikation Roskilde Tekniske Skole * From: Jon @ The PixelForge jon.war...@thepixelforge.net Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:53:46 + Subject: Re: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please? I agree, consolidate background-image, background-repeat and *-position into one 'background' statement. Easier and saves a few bytes. Regards, Jon Warner Tel: 0788 99 424 30 http://thepixelforge.net/ 57 Arnold Road Eastleigh Hampshire SO50 5AR England On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Debbie Johnson d...@danceofthebee.com wrote: Mike - You have put the background color and image under background-image. Why don't you consolidate all of your backround statements into one: #footer { color: #d9d9d9; background: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg) repeat-x top; min-height: 96px; } Otherwise, you need to separate background-image and background-color. Debbie On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:50:16 +1100, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: I have a draft layout for a client that is fine in all respects except that in IE8, the background image in the footer is missing. Here's the page concerned: http://afpwebworks.com/strikingdistance/index.cfm And the footer div rule is as follows for IE (I have a IE-only style sheet) : #footer { color: #d9d9d9; background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg); background-repeat: repeat-x; background-position: top; min-height: 96px; } Both the HTML and the CSS validate ok. So does any one see what I have wrong for IE? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Paul Novitski p...@juniperwebcraft.com Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:38:14 -0800 Subject: seeking JavaScript Bible reviewers Hi all, I'm looking for established reviewers of programming books to whom to send copies of the JavaScript Bible 7th Edition (Wiley, 2010). http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470526912,descCd-description.html If you're interested please write to me off-list, let me know what publications you write for, and include links to some of your published book reviews. Thanks, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com * From: Mironov, Alexander alexander.miro...@ato.gov.au Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:53:18 +1100 Subject: Online/web visual style guide [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi My team is currently developing an online visual style guide/brand, is anyo ne able to send me links or pdf's of examples of other organisation's onlin e visual style guide for us to use as a reference? Thanks Alex Mironov Web Project Officer Web and CMS | Publishing | Corporate Relations Australian Taxation Office Phone: 02 621 61598 | Facsimile: 02 621 62875 ATO Centenary | Working for all Australians ** IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)
Thanks for your email. I work Mondays - Wednesdays. If you have requested a response I will get back to you on my return. If it is urgent please contact David Linden on 9269 0267 or email davi...@vla.vic.gov.au. Regards, Sam Sam Lawry Acting Content Manager (Mon-Wed) Online Services Victoria Legal Aid www.legalaid.vic.gov.au 9269 0279 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 11/28/10 08:50 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Ruth, Jodie jodie.r...@environment.gov.au Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 08:49:06 +1100 Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest I am out of the office from Friday November 26, returning Monday November 6. Please direct any web-related questions to web.helpd...@environment.gov.au, or Intranet to intranet.helpd...@environment.gov.au Kind regards, Jodie Ruth If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments h ave been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e- mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. * From: David Storey dsto...@opera.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:53:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images? On 26 Nov 2010, at 22:32, cat soul wrote: Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the tiles meet when you have the background image repeat? Use a better background-image? Im not sure what you mean? bg images repeat if you tell it to do. You either have an image designed to repeat or you don' (or you have a vector image via SVG that scales instead). thanks cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- David Storey Chief Web Opener / Product Manager, Opera Dragonfly W3C WG: Mobile Web Best Practices / SVG Interest Group Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway Mobile: +47 94 22 02 32 / E-Mail/XMPP: dsto...@opera.com / Twitter: dstorey * From: Kepler Gelotte kep...@neighborwebmaster.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:07:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [WSG] advice on background images? Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the tiles meet when you have the background image repeat? I'm not sure what this has to do with web standards, but you can check out http://tutorialblog.org/make-repeating-seamless-tile-backgrounds-with-photos hop/ Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 * From: Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.au Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 06:14:08 +0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images? Have you checked that the tiles, do in fact tile seamlessly? Henrik Madsen +61 08 9387 1250 hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au On 27/11/2010, at 5:32 AM, cat soul wrote: Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the tiles meet when you have the background image repeat? thanks cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Jon @ The PixelForge jon.war...@thepixelforge.net Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:25:10 + Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images? Again, I'm not sure if this deserves place in WSG, but to give you some direction: Photoshop has an Offset filter. Combined with the clone tool you can usually generate repeating images relatively quickly. Quality depends on a lot of factors though. I would recommend you try somewhere like cgtalk.com (or email me directly) for better instructions. Regards, Jon Warner Tel: 0788 99 424 30 http://thepixelforge.net/ 57 Arnold Road Eastleigh Hampshire SO50 5AR England On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Kepler Gelotte kep...@neighborwebmaster.com wrote: Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the tiles meet when you have the background image repeat? I'm not sure what this has to do with web standards, but you can check out http://tutorialblog.org/make-repeating-seamless
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)
Thanks for your email. I work Mondays - Wednesdays. If you have requested a response I will get back to you on my return. If it is urgent please contact David Linden on 9269 0267 or email davi...@vla.vic.gov.au. Regards, Sam Sam Lawry Acting Content Manager (Mon-Wed) Online Services Victoria Legal Aid www.legalaid.vic.gov.au 9269 0279 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 11/12/10 23:40 * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22G=2ES=F8rtun=22?= gunla...@c2i.net Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:57:23 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] all media queries in one style sheet Vs individually served Years since I tested what browsers actually did, and much has changed since then. I do prefer to spread styles in logical groups over a few stylesheets, to a certain degree. If nothing else it helps on maintenance and reuse. 1.Will the desktop browser stops loading the above 3 media unless requested? A browser will load everything, as long as it supports, or pretends to support, the link or @import media and queries used. It will put styles to use as needed and supported. 2.If I link each media type individually, does the desktop browser actually load the above 3 style sheets? Same answer. Similarly, will it not better for targeted device not loading two of the media types? If a targeted device loads only the correct style sheets, it will be 2 HTTP requests (one for main style and one for targeted media type) but the file size of each style sheet is significant reduce, and this seems to be beneficial especially for bandwidth concerned mobile devices. Yes? Back in the days we used link and/or @import media and queries as filters to /hack/ browsers - to make them load or not load specific stylesheets. Today we at least try to be a bit more advanced, and use link and/or @import media and queries as filters to /target/ browsers and devices - to make them load or not load specific stylesheets. Reasons may have changed amongst conscious web designers , but browsers are evolving, so too much deliberate filtering at the link and @import stages may mean an existing or future browser/device that can, and should be given a chance to, handle specific styles, won't load them. So, it is my advice that you don't filter more than you have to at the link and @import stages, even if that means slightly fatter stylesheets. * From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:59:08 + Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML? On 11 Nov 2010, at 10:50, Chris Taylor wrote: From: David Dorward Sent: 11 November 2010 10:30 On 11 Nov 2010, at 09:18, Chris Taylor wrote: In fact, this is HTML5-style - !doctype html - but will work fine in all browsers (as far as I know). When you come to perform basic QA using a validator, on the other hand, you get very different results. Agreed, and it is a problem, but how much of that problem is validators not being updated? To be honest, if that's the only error I get from a validator I'd feel I was doing a decent job. The crux is, as it has always been, what actually happens in browsers themselves. Error? I wasn't suggesting that a validator would complain about the Doctype. It will either fail to recognise it (and thus refuse to do any validation) or it will trigger HTML5 validation. This isn't built on HTML 4.01 validation since HTML 5 is not an SGML application. The result is that you get a completely different validation engine — one that isn't mature and is still trying to track a moving target. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk * From: Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:31:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Chris Taylor chris.tay...@figureout.com wrote: And there's Andy Clarke's new book Hardboiled Web Design which deals with HTML5 and more: http://hardboiledwebdesign.com/ So is HTML5 ready, as far as http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ sees it isn't the same as can I use parts of this spec yet? I just finished reading HTML5 for web designers, and I thought it was a pretty good introduction to HTML5. http://books.alistapart.com/products/html5-for-web-designers An easy read. Very short book. Cheers, Micky * From: cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:23:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML? On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Micky Hulse wrote: I just finished reading HTML5 for web designers, and I thought it was a pretty good introduction to HTML5. http://books.alistapart.com/products/html5-for-web-designers An easy read. Very short book. Cheers, Micky I see