Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)

2011-03-13 Thread Sam Lawry
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)

2011-03-13 Thread Sam Lawry
I have previously unsubscribed from this list (vla email) as I am on leave, 
please confirm I am removed so I don't get any more of this rubbish. 
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (On leave - 12 months)

2011-02-20 Thread Sam Lawry
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (out of office)

2011-01-11 Thread Sam Lawry
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From: olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:57:21 +0100
Subject: browsers rendering problems


Hi there,
I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the 
same in Safari and firefox.Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the
 div information in the index page doesn't render the same in firefox as 
in Safari, and the same problem occur for the about us page too: the pa
dding bottom of the div bonus What do you think may be the issue.
Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help.
I attached the files.
Thank you.



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From: Sanath Peiris sanat...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:31:21 +0530
Subject: E Learning for Telecom Operators(Telcos).I

Hi WSGroup

 I am looking for an GUI Concept for *E Learning for Telecom
Operators(Telcos)*.If any body have any idea Please reply.

Cheers

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From: Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:17 +1100
Subject: Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems

Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files

Thanks
Russ

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 Hi there,
 
 I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render the s
ame in Safari and firefox.
 Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the i
ndex page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the same pro
blem occur for the about us page too: the padding bottom of the div bonus 

 What do you think may be the issue.
 
 Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help.
 
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From: olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:42:47 +0100
Subject: RE: [WSG] browsers rendering problems


here are the link for the home page: http://www.expressionofmind.com/home.h
tmlabout us page: http://www.expressionofmind.com/about.htmland the link fo
r the css files: http://www.expressionofmind.com/css.html
basically They don't render the same in Safari and firefox. The padding-bot
tom of the div information in the index page doesn't render the same in f
irefox as in Safari, and the same problem occur for the about us page t
oo: the padding bottom of the div bonus   What do you think may be the is
sue.Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help
.


 Subject: Re: [WSG] browsers rendering problems
 From: r...@maxdesign.com.au
 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:05:17 +1100
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 
 Rather than attach, please send us a link to sample HTML and CSS files
 
 Thanks
 Russ
 
 On 11/01/2011, at 8:57 PM, olivia antonin olivianto...@hotmail.com 
wrote:
 
  Hi there,
  
  I have a real problem with my web pages, basically They don't render 
the same in Safari and firefox.
  Let me explain to you: The padding-bottom of the div information in the
 index page doesn't render the same in firefox as in Safari, and the sa
me problem occur for the about us page too: the padding bottom of the div
 bonus 
  What do you think may be the issue.
  
  Please help me...I'm pretty new in using CSS and need some help.
  
  I attached the files.
  
  Thank you.
  
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)

2010-12-22 Thread Sam Lawry
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From: David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:06:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

On 12/20/10 6:14 PM, Chad Kelly wrote:
 - Original Message - From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM
 Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet


 Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better.
[...]

This is where I came in. (2002)


 All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a
 year or so.


The Year of Living Dangerously? ;)

Cordially,
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From: Tim Kadlec t...@timkadlec.com
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 21:47:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [WSG] jQuery Mobile for Mobile site

jQuery Mobile is a nice, if slightly unpolished due to it's very recent
release, framework - but you're right - it's primarily intended for apps and
I think it works much better if an app is what you have in mind.

If you're looking to do something not quite app-like, then I'd point you in
the direction of Yiibu (specifically this page http://yiibu.com/about/site/)
as an example of what you can do. They're experimenting with a mobile first
approach, combined with elements of responsive web design and feature
detection in order to provide their content to as many mobile devices as
possible. If you dig around their site a little bit, you'll see related
articles that are well worth the read.

I would also recommend the Mobile Web Yahoo group which is quite active and
a great resource for mobile web development.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mobile-web/

Hope that helps!

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On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:06 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any one developing Mobile Web has an insight for jQuery Mobile?

 I was studying the framework last night, couldn't quite decide whether it's
 best to adapt it to my mobile web development. After reading the
 documentation and tested all demos, my impression is, it's more geared
 towards Apps

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)

2010-12-08 Thread Sam Lawry
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Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [BULK]  WSG Digest

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From: cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 13:01:42 -0800
Subject: images against color backgrounds

I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted  
opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages  
where there are color backgrounds, and the image must have some of  
that background color in them.

Example: you want to place an image with a drop shadow, so in  
photoshop, you prepare your image with drop shadow, both of them in  
layers above the same background color as on the page. When you place  
such an image, flattened and jpg'd, it looks seamless.

Trouble comes when you want to change the background color on the page 
(s) where you've already prepped the images with a given color..then  
you have to change that, too, and re-jpg, re-place, etc..

Some images don't look right unless their lifted off the page with a  
drop shadow, IMHO...

cs

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From: Joseph Taylor j...@sitesbyjoe.com
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:51:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds

.png with alpha channel is the best way to go.

IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the transparent 
background gray.

Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for the 
.png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent)

You can also make 8 bit .pngs (with no alpha channel) that behave just 
like .gif

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On 12/8/10 4:01 PM, cat soul wrote:
 I hope I'm not bending/breaking the purpose of the list but wanted 
 opinions on best practices for preparing images for use on web pages 
 where there are color backgrounds, and the image must have some of 
 that background color in them.

 Example: you want to place an image with a drop shadow, so in 
 photoshop, you prepare your image with drop shadow, both of them in 
 layers above the same background color as on the page. When you place 
 such an image, flattened and jpg'd, it looks seamless.

 Trouble comes when you want to change the background color on the 
 page(s) where you've already prepped the images with a given 
 color..then you have to change that, too, and re-jpg, re-place, etc..

 Some images don't look right unless their lifted off the page with a 
 drop shadow, IMHO...

 cs


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From: Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.au
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:11:50 +0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] images against color backgrounds

 .png with alpha channel is the best way to go.

 IE6 and lower can't handle the alpha channel and make the  
 transparent background gray.

Can be conditionally fixed with js, for example: 
http://www.dillerdesign.com/experiment/DD_belatedPNG/


 Based on my site audience I'll make fallback .gif replacements for  
 the .png images (that look crappier but are at least transparent)

 You can also make 8 bit .pngs (with no alpha channel) that behave  
 just like .gif
 Joseph R. B. Taylor
 Web Designer / Developer
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 Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design
 Phone: (609) 335-3076
 Web

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)

2010-12-02 Thread Sam Lawry
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From: Peter Larsen p...@rts.dk
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:16:46 +0100
Subject: Autosvar - Ikke til stede: WSG Digest

Jeg er ikke på skolen i øjeblikket. Men vender tilbage så hurtigt 
jeg kan
I am not at the college at the moment - but I will get back to you as 
soon as possible

Med venlig hilsen/best wishes
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From: Jon @ The PixelForge jon.war...@thepixelforge.net
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 23:53:46 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] Need a fresh eye - can anyone see what's wrong please?

I agree, consolidate background-image, background-repeat and *-position into
one 'background' statement. Easier and saves a few bytes.
Regards,

Jon Warner
Tel: 0788 99 424 30
http://thepixelforge.net/

57 Arnold Road
Eastleigh
Hampshire
SO50 5AR
England


On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Debbie Johnson d...@danceofthebee.com wrote:

 Mike -
 You have put the background color and image under background-image. Why
 don't you consolidate all of your backround statements into one:
  #footer {
color: #d9d9d9;
background: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg) repeat-x
 top;
min-height: 96px;
 }
 Otherwise, you need to separate background-image and background-color.
 Debbie


 On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:50:16 +1100, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com
 wrote:
  I have a draft layout for a client that is fine in all respects except
 that
  in IE8,  the background image in the footer is missing.
 
  Here's the page concerned:
  http://afpwebworks.com/strikingdistance/index.cfm
 
  And the footer div rule is as follows for IE (I have a IE-only style
 sheet)
  :
 
  #footer {
color: #d9d9d9;
background-image: #33 url(images/Footer_background_s1.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
background-position: top;
min-height: 96px;
  }
 
  Both the HTML and the CSS validate ok.
 
 
  So does any one see what I have wrong for IE?
 
  Cheers
  Mike Kear
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From: Paul Novitski p...@juniperwebcraft.com
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:38:14 -0800
Subject: seeking JavaScript Bible reviewers

Hi all,

I'm looking for established reviewers of programming books to whom to 
send copies of the JavaScript Bible 7th Edition (Wiley, 2010).
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470526912,descCd-description.html

If you're interested please write to me off-list, let me know what 
publications you write for, and include links to some of your 
published book reviews.

Thanks,

Paul
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From: Mironov, Alexander alexander.miro...@ato.gov.au
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:53:18 +1100
Subject: Online/web visual style guide [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi

My team is currently developing an online visual style guide/brand, is anyo
ne able to send me links or pdf's of examples of other organisation's onlin
e visual style guide for us to use as a reference?

Thanks

Alex Mironov
Web Project Officer 
Web and CMS | Publishing | Corporate Relations 
Australian Taxation Office 
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From: David Storey dsto...@opera.com
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:53:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images?


On 26 Nov 2010, at 22:32, cat soul wrote:

 Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the 
tiles meet when you have the background image repeat?

Use a better background-image? I’m not sure what you mean? bg images 
repeat if you tell it to do. You either have an image designed to repeat 
or you don' (or you have a vector image via SVG that scales instead).
 
 
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From: Kepler Gelotte kep...@neighborwebmaster.com
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:07:04 -0500
Subject: RE: [WSG] advice on background images?

 Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the  
 tiles meet when you have the background image repeat?

I'm not sure what this has to do with web standards, but you can check out
http://tutorialblog.org/make-repeating-seamless-tile-backgrounds-with-photos
hop/


Best regards,

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From: Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.au
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 06:14:08 +0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images?


Have you checked that the tiles, do in fact tile seamlessly?




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On 27/11/2010, at 5:32 AM, cat soul wrote:

 Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the  
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From: Jon @ The PixelForge jon.war...@thepixelforge.net
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:25:10 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] advice on background images?

Again, I'm not sure if this deserves place in WSG, but to give you some
direction:

Photoshop has an Offset filter. Combined with the clone tool you can usually
generate repeating images relatively quickly. Quality depends on a lot of
factors though.

I would recommend you try somewhere like cgtalk.com (or email me directly)
for better instructions.

Regards,

Jon Warner
Tel: 0788 99 424 30
http://thepixelforge.net/

57 Arnold Road
Eastleigh
Hampshire
SO50 5AR
England


On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Kepler Gelotte 
kep...@neighborwebmaster.com wrote:

  Any tips on how to minimize or eliminate how obvious it is where the
  tiles meet when you have the background image repeat?

 I'm not sure what this has to do with web standards, but you can check out

 http://tutorialblog.org/make-repeating-seamless

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (office days)

2010-11-12 Thread Sam Lawry
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I work Mondays - Wednesdays. If you have requested a response I will get back 
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Regards,
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22G=2ES=F8rtun=22?= gunla...@c2i.net
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:57:23 +0100
Subject: Re: [WSG] all media queries in one style sheet Vs individually served

Years since I tested what browsers actually did, and much has changed 
since then.

I do prefer to spread styles in logical groups over a few stylesheets, 
to a certain degree. If nothing else it helps on maintenance and reuse.

 1.Will the desktop browser stops loading the above 3 media unless 
 requested?

A browser will load everything, as long as it supports, or pretends to 
support, the link or @import media and queries used. It will put styles 
to use as needed and supported.

 2.If I link each media type individually, does the desktop browser 
 actually load the above 3 style sheets?

Same answer.

 Similarly, will it not  better for targeted device not loading two of the 
 media types? If a targeted device loads only the correct style sheets, it 
 will be 2 HTTP requests (one for main style and one for targeted media type) 
 but the file size of each style sheet is significant reduce, and this seems 
 to be beneficial especially for bandwidth concerned mobile devices. Yes?

Back in the days we used link and/or @import media and queries as 
filters to /hack/ browsers - to make them load or not load specific 
stylesheets. Today we at least try to be a bit more advanced, and use 
link and/or @import media and queries as filters to /target/ browsers 
and devices - to make them load or not load specific stylesheets. 
Reasons may have changed amongst conscious web designers , but browsers 
are evolving, so too much deliberate filtering at the link and @import 
stages may mean an existing or future browser/device that can, and 
should be given a chance to, handle specific styles, won't load them.

So, it is my advice that you don't filter more than you have to at the 
link and @import stages, even if that means slightly fatter stylesheets.

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From: David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:59:08 +
Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?


On 11 Nov 2010, at 10:50, Chris Taylor wrote:

 From: David Dorward
 Sent: 11 November 2010 10:30
 
 On 11 Nov 2010, at 09:18, Chris Taylor wrote:
 In fact, this is HTML5-style - !doctype html - but will work fine 
in all browsers (as far as I know).
 
 When you come to perform basic QA using a validator, on the other 
hand, you get very different results.
 
 Agreed, and it is a problem, but how much of that problem is 
validators not being updated? To be honest, if that's the only error I 
get from a validator I'd feel I was doing a decent job. The crux is, as 
it has always been, what actually happens in browsers themselves.

Error? I wasn't suggesting that a validator would complain about the 
Doctype. It will either fail to recognise it (and thus refuse to do any 
validation) or it will trigger HTML5 validation. This isn't built on 
HTML 4.01 validation since HTML 5 is not an SGML application. The result 
is that you get a completely different validation engine — one that 
isn't mature and is still trying to track a moving target.

-- 
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk


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From: Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:31:32 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Chris Taylor
chris.tay...@figureout.com wrote:
 And there's Andy Clarke's new book Hardboiled Web Design which deals with 
 HTML5 and more: http://hardboiledwebdesign.com/
 So is HTML5 ready, as far as http://ishtml5readyyet.com/ sees it isn't the 
 same as can I use parts of this spec yet?

I just finished reading HTML5 for web designers, and I thought it was
a pretty good introduction to HTML5.

http://books.alistapart.com/products/html5-for-web-designers

An easy read. Very short book.

Cheers,
Micky

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From: cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 11:23:07 -0800
Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML or HTML?

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Micky Hulse wrote:

 I just finished reading HTML5 for web designers, and I thought it was
 a pretty good introduction to HTML5.

 http://books.alistapart.com/products/html5-for-web-designers

 An easy read. Very short book.

 Cheers,
 Micky

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