[WSG] [Slightly OT]: hasbox tag attribute?

2011-06-07 Thread Scott Elcomb
Hi all,

I've been trying to find more information about a tag attribute I
wasn't really aware of until today, called 'hasbox'.  Originally I
suspected Internet Explorer, but when I look in either of the Firebug
or Google Chrome consoles, I'm seeing this attribute being injected on
all kinds of tags.

Here's what I think I know:

* I don't believe apache is injecting this before sending to the
client (I'll be /very/ surprised if that's the case)
* I don't believe jQuery (used in the site's construction) is at
fault; grep doesn't find hasbox in the source files.
* Despite showing up across multiple browsers, I don't believe it's a
standard attribute (documentation would be easier to locate)

I've asked on stackoverflow, so far without response:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6268640/html-attribute-hasbox

An appeal on twitter (linking to the above url) turned up nothing.

Does anyone know what this attribute is/does and from whence it comes?

TIA,
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[WSG] Re: [Slightly OT]: hasbox tag attribute?

2011-06-07 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Scott Elcomb pse...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've been trying to find more information about a tag attribute I
 wasn't really aware of until today, called 'hasbox'.

Apologies to the group for the noise.  Turns out a re-branded 5 year
old dhtml script (originally called BoxOver) was the culprit.

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Re: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x

2011-01-24 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson
ch...@cfajohnson.com wrote:
 On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, Christian Snodgrass wrote:
 Now, if you use the new code element instead, that tells the browser it is
 code.

   There's a new code element? How does it differ from the old one?

Without using additional attributes, I don't see much difference in the specs:

HTML4:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.1

Designates a fragment of computer code.

--

HTML5:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-code-element

The code element represents a fragment of computer code. This could
be an XML element name, a filename, a computer program, or any other
string that a computer would recognize.

Although there is no formal way to indicate the language of computer
code being marked up, authors who wish to mark code elements with the
language used, e.g. so that syntax highlighting scripts can use the
right rules, may do so by adding a class prefixed with language- to
the element.

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Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
 I used to use EM only for font size, something I learned from this list. It 
 was time when you are new, you have no your opinion and know nothing about 
 exception that some fine ivory tower idea cannot withstand real world 
 practise but followed others , The first time I saw 
 spanspanspanxxx/spanspanspan from a project I did for a social 
 networking site, I changed them, and used EM for font size, the programmer 
 changed my hard work back and I was very resentful my web-standards compliant 
 work got chopped off so brutally with no explanation ever given.

 It took me a few years to understand why the programmer did what he did.

Out of curiosity, and as a programmer, why did the programmer change
your work.  You suggest that you figured it out without an
explanation...

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Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM, James Jeffery
jamesjeffery@googlemail.com wrote:
 Aye' I did a task for a friend once. Charged him £100 for a few pages, a
 nice design etc. He refused to pay. He is a near millionaire, well his
 assets are worth that much.

 Business owners don't know how much work is involved sometimes. Even
 something basic requires some tweaking for browser support, mobile devices
 etc.

 To much infatuation with money in the business world. Some people are rich
 because they are tight.

 On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 6:30 PM, designer
 desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote:

 I did a site for one of my friends 'on the cheap', but put a lot of hours
 into it, and did it as 'properly' as I could. It was all hand coded and
 validated to the point of neurosis. Eventually, he decided that he wanted to
 pay me because he wanted to add a few more pages. When it was done, I told
 him to 'call it £160'. He went barmy - shouted about the lunacy of charging
 such a crazy amount, just for 'putting a few words in and moving a bit of
 stuff around.  I've haven't heard from him for six months now, despite us
 growing up together on the same road many years ago.

 Friends?  Keep well away!

First off, yeah.  Friends: make sure their friends.  If not, keep them closer.

Second, I've noticed a (very) common thing among postings to this
list.  I'll follow-up with the list admin(s) in the next couple of
days regarding standards as far as list communication goes.

Please Note:  I'm not targetting anyone, but there are some
conventions about list traffic.  I don't mind the odd slip (or
complete failure) from people who don't (or at least can't be expected
to) know, but some habits are being repeated (and therefore learned by
newbies) on this list.  I'll make a suggestion and let the list
moderators/administrators approach the issue as they see fit.

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Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Andrew Maben and...@andrewmaben.com wrote:
 On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:40 PM, James Jeffery wrote:

 Some people are rich because they are tight.

 This has strayed a long way from standards...! But I just have to add to the
 above. Having been the beneficiary of extraordinary acts of kindness from
 truly poor (financially - but how rich in spirit) people while traveling,
 I've come to the conclusion that many people are generous because they are
 poor, and its corollary, many people are tight because they are rich.
 Now back to work...

I missed this, else I would've just agreed in principle.  In the end
though I'm not sure I agree with the comment This has strayed a long
way from standards.   The reasoning for my position having been made
earlier.

It might not be direct (afterall - this is a Web Standards Group not
an Email Standards Group, however both the Web and Email are very
closely tied.  As person's whose job is to bridge the two, I feel more
than confident to speak.)

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Re: [WSG] Email form builder

2008-10-20 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM, kevin mcmonagle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Paul Collins wrote:

 Hi all,
  Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that sends
 an email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of databases.
 I'm trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his own customisable
 fields too. Most of the ones I am searching for want you to pay for it.
  Would really appreciate any help.

 If you friend builds sites semi-frequently he might as well just start using
 word press or textpattern. If hes just doing a one off theres probably a
 good extension or tutorial for dreamweaver.

I agree with Kevin, however if you're friend requires more please feel
free to contact me offlist.

BOL,
- Scott.


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Re: [WSG] Accesbility Help

2008-09-04 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:34 AM, kevin erickson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 reCAPTCHA sounds good. I tried it out and the audio for vision impaired
 visitors worked fine.
 The service seems to be free and is set up to digitize old books that cannot
 be scanned, literally, one word at a time. Pretty amazing!

From the reCaptcha about page[1]

To archive human knowledge and to make information more accessible to
the world, multiple projects are currently digitizing physical books
that were written before the computer age. The book pages are being
photographically scanned, and then transformed into text using
Optical Character Recognition (OCR). The transformation into text is
useful because scanning a book produces images, which are difficult to
store on small devices, expensive to download, and cannot be searched.
The problem is that OCR is not perfect.

I think there's a strong relationship between reCaptcha and this group
- via standards and accessibility.  :-)

[1] http://recaptcha.net/learnmore.html
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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Google chrome is available for windows download !

 http://www.google.com/chrome

 It has no Mac version!  :(

Nor Linux!  (But they're coming... eventually.)
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Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list

2008-08-05 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:57 PM, James Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just joined today and am considering leaving already.

It's not usually like this; in fact I think this is the first time
I've seen flames here.

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Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-11 Thread Scott Elcomb
On 5/8/08, chris | chrisbuttery.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,
 I'm relatively new to this group  this is my first post. So here goes.

Same here.  (Hi all!)

 The client sent me a screen shot of the site taken from their browser (
 IE5...which i don't have )
 that basically displayed a mangled site. I was able to fix the site through
 a series of screen shots
 supplied from the client, but it's obviously not a professional way of doing
 things.

I agree with the other posters... I wouldn't support IE 5.x if it
could be helped.

 My question to you guys is how do you develop  test your websites to ensure
 they are interpreted correctly
 by older more popular browsers ? Do you have older browsers handy to test
 them with?

I haven't actually tried this, but came across it as a sponsored link
in my gmail.  A quick look around the site and I find myself somewhat
impressed.  I'm intending to try this out over the next couple of
weeks.

http://www.crossbrowsertesting.com/

Essentially, it's a VNC-like setup to Virtual Machines running various
OS's and Browsers.  Some of the VM's described do have IE 5 installed.

Some caveats:
  - IIRC, your site will need to be available online
  - I can't vouch for their security policies.
  - If you don't want to pay for time slots, you're limited to 5
minute sessions.  Depending on server load, you can jump right back in
after a session expires.

Best of luck!
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