[WSG] Poetry needing block format but with line-breaks

2010-02-16 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi there

I¹m doing a poetry Œzine. Quite a lot of poets want to set the way the poem
looks as well as sounds; and one poem needs to be in block format, but with
lines breaking at specific words, so I have to use the line-break ...

Any suggestions on how I can do this? Otherwise I may have to put it in as a
pdf image unfortunately (with a link to a page with the poetry in regular
html but formatted as required) ...

Cheers
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Re: [WSG] RE: Poetry needing block format but with line-breaks

2010-02-16 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Oh, thanks Jens ­ I forgot about that option!! I¹ll give it a go .

And Brad ­ yes I am using the br / tag, but that stops it being
block-formatted ...

Cheers
susie


On 17/02/10 8:40 AM, Jens-Uwe Korff jko...@fairfaxdigital.com.au wrote:

  I¹m doing a poetry Œzine. Quite a lot of poets want to set the way the poem
 looks as well as sounds; and one poem needs to be in block format, but with
 lines breaking at specific words, so I have to use the line-break ...
 
 
  
 Hi Susie,
  
 did you try using pre to preserve whitespace (which includes line breaks)?
  
 
 Cheers,
  
 Jens 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] fonts

2010-02-01 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi Marvin

You're not stating the fonts for you, but for the people who read your
website. That's why you usually declare 2-3 fonts, so if they don't have the
first one on their computer, it will go to the second. So you don't need to
download anything. And they (your audience) shouldn't need to either ... :)

Cheers
susie


On 2/02/10 2:28 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi.
 i have verdana.
 and it reads the name.
 but only have got Arial Blakc.
 not just plain Arial
 what is the correct name for Arial Black.
 or where can i download the Arial font.
 marvin. 
 
 
 
 
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[WSG] Trip down memory lane

2009-10-26 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Geocities is closing down! So xkcd did a commemorative Œreprise¹ of their
site ... http://xkcd.com/499/

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[WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts

2009-09-22 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi there

I¹d just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to
collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really
interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it.

So, thanks Russ ­ it¹s really appreciated!

Cheers
susie


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Re: [WSG] more on fonts

2009-06-22 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Don't see how it could be any clearer Paul ...

:)


On 23/06/09 8:39 AM, Paul Novitski p...@juniperwebcraft.com wrote:

 At 6/22/2009 05:00 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:
 hi.
 well, the subject that i was taking, and the web page for pinciples of
 visual design, my professor, said i have to had fonts, in the style sheet.
 that was the requirmenet of this site i was doing for a fruit shop.
 
 
 Just as a reality check, let me go over how this works.
 
 You don't have to have any particular fonts on your own computer in
 order to designate them in a web page.
 
 You create a web page on your computer, upload it to the server, and
 after that each visitor who sees the page downloads it to their
 computer where it is displayed (rendered). It is the fonts installed
 on each visitor's computer that determine how the text will be
 displayed on their screens.
 
 If you specify font-families in the stylesheet, you're not DICTATING
 what font must appear, you're only SUGGESTING which fonts you'd like
 to appear. If a font you've requested isn't installed, it doesn't
 show up; that simple.
 
 If you use the stylesheet to ask that some text be rendered in a very
 common font such as Arial, it will be displayed in Arial on the vast
 majority of visitors' computers. If you use a more unusual font, only
 a small number of visitors might have that font and see it on the
 page. Everyone else will see your 2nd or 3rd choice font for that text.
 
 For example, if your stylesheet says:
 
 h1
 {
  font-family: Gothic Rare, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
 }
 
 ...then the visitor's browser checks to see if it can find a match
 with any of the fonts in the list. Gothic Rare will not be found
 anywhere because I just made it up. Helvetica is far from universally
 installed, but Arial is extremely common so most people will see the
 text in Arial. If none of those three fonts is found, 'sans-serif'
 tells the browser to use whatever its default sans serif font is
 which might easily be different on every computer.
 
 A sans serif font is a font with no serifs. See also:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans_serif
 
 Does that help clarify any of this?
 
 Regards,
 
 Paul
 __
 
 Paul Novitski
 Juniper Webcraft Ltd.
 http://juniperwebcraft.com
 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] 3 column layout issue

2009-03-22 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Have a look at this:

http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/skidoo/

This is a 3-column layout with care taken for lots of different browsers ...

Cheers
susie


 
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 wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 I have a 3 column layout structure. My issue is the content of the center
 column is shifting down . pls help me to fix this..
 
 thanks a ton in advance..
  
 
 thanks and regards
 
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Re: [WSG] Accessible popup help

2009-03-03 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Here¹s a couple (well, 3) links to creating accessible popups to check out:

http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html

The ever-popular Lightbox - http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/projects/lightbox2/

And from Accessify -
http://accessify.com/features/tutorials/the-perfect-popup/

Cheers
susie


On 3/03/09 10:21 PM, clarele...@halifax.co.uk clarele...@halifax.co.uk
wrote:

 Hi there,
 We have hidden divs (popup help) on a page that are shown either by onClick or
 onMouseOver. When the div is shown, Jaws will not read the contents, any ideas
 on how to get it to work without users having to disable JS?
 Also does anyone have any good examples of pop up help?
 Thanks
  
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 Bank of Scotland plc, Registered in Scotland Number SC327000 Registered
 office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Authorised and regulated by Financial
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Re: [WSG] WCAG2 in govt

2008-09-29 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I don¹t work in government as such, rather a big university. We (my group
within the Uni, which is one that supports teaching and learning, makes
websites etc) are going with WCAG2 ­ well, the first two levels anyway.

We¹ve been developing a wiki with suggestions for different groups of users
within our group and then the wider university community (graphic designers,
web developers, programmers, instructional designers, lecturers, admin staff
etc). And basing it on WCAG2 ... Of course we can¹t force anyone to take any
of this up, but we are aiming to do so ourselves insofar as the
recommendations relate to the expected users of the University.

- susie


On 30/09/08 12:15 AM, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know WCAG2 is being considered in Western Australia. There is a debate to
 wait for it to reach W3C Recommendation status and spend our resources working
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Re: [WSG] Learning JavaScript properly

2008-09-18 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I've been using 'Javascript: A Beginner's Guide' (2nd Edition) by John
Pollock and have found that pretty useful.

- susie


On 19/09/08 11:34 AM, William Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I can vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint as well. I used it in
 combination with some of their other javascript books.
 
 William
 
 
 Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I can personally vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint. Very good
 book
 for the beginner level.
 
 
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 Simon skrev:
 Hi all,
 
 I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly,
 
 Learn the basics first - then libraries:
 http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/learn_javascript_before_tast
 ing
 _the_library_koolaid/
 
 Mozilla Developer Central is a nice resource.
 
 All Sitepoint books are great as well. PPK's books i also very good.
 
 
 Lars Gunther
 
 
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[WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-01 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I came upon this - 
http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2008/08/27/facebook-doesnt-really-support-ie6

If Facebook (or the Œnew¹ Facebook look) is doing this, maybe it will really
start to move IE6 out the door ...

One can only hope anyway!!

+++
Susie Gardner-Brown
blog:  http://susiegb/blogspot.com
web: http://www.greendoorwebsites.com



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Re: [WSG] Image gallery layout

2008-07-06 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I LOVE Lightbox! Only discovered it recently and am using it on a site I¹m
working on. From an accessibility standpoint it is awesome. The only
Œcomplaint¹ that another developer here found was that it doesn¹t detect the
user¹s flash player version (as swfObject does), but that¹s a minor concern
really ...

Having said that, I¹m not clear how this would assist in Lyn¹s case, but I¹m
interested to see/hear!!

Cheers
- susie


On 7/7/08 1:21 PM, Srinivas Gattu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This may help:
 http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox2/
 
 On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Lynette Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Good morning
 
 My client wants her image galleries to look the same (if possible) as on her
 Power Point Presentation. These images (in PPP) are positioned  absolutely ie
 a certain cm measurement  from top left in each case.  The images are of
 paintings and are NOT  of  uniform size so I am working with different
 thumbnail sizes.  I have made them a uniform  maximum 150px high but of
 course some are a lot wider and do not reach 150px vertically.
 
 http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/sarwon/slightly.html
 
 CSS is ul#img
 
 I have tried giving them ALL a uniform height 150px  regardless of width -
 see bottom 4 images - but of course I had to add a new bit of CSS - ul#img2
 with a much wider ul#img2 li.
 
 I have explained that the site should look good at all screen resolutions and
 have managed to have it look OK as small  as 800 x 600.
 
 What I am asking is if there is any other way to lay out an image gallery
 other than the way I have done (which I always use but with uniform
 thumbnails).
 
 I don't think she will mind if I tell her it is not possible to copy her PPP
 exactly  as here we are dealing with a fluid background which needs to be
 able to change with different screen sizes but I want to be sure there is not
 another way I can accommodate her wishes.
 
 Thanks
 
 Lyn
 
 www.westernwebdesign.com.au http://www.westernwebdesign.com.au/
 Perth, Western Australia
 
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Re: [WSG] Please unsubscribe me

2008-06-30 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Ha ha ­ and yes!!


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Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I look after a poetry ezine site ( http://www.foame.org/) and that¹s what I
do. 

For a lot of  poets, the look of their poem on the page is very important.
Sometimes they want to make visual patterns with their stanzas ... always a
bit hit and miss, depending on browsers/platforms etc.

And then you get the poems with lines that are required to start under a
specific word in the previous line ­ have had to make use of a lot of
non-breaking spaces to do that, and again it can¹t be precise.

- susie




On 20/6/08 2:42 AM, jody tate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'd stress what Jon Tan wrote:  My recommendation would be p for stanzas
 and br / line breaks for most verse. Stanzas are usually taught as the
 paragraph of poetry and verses are referred to as line breaks.
 
 Side note you're free to ignore: I'd argue most of the historical bits below
 are incorrect in the details, but are correct in general. Jonson's _English
 Grammar_ is a great snapshot of the period's grammar eccentricities, but
 hardly a guide that was followed--he didn't care enough to publish it while
 alive despite how careful he was about publication (I did a Ph.D. one
 Shakespeare and taught medieval, early modern and modern poetry for eight
 years before the siren call of web work).
 
 -jody
 
 --
 Jody Tate
 Web Developer - UW Network Systems
 http://staff.washington.edu/jtate/
 
 
 On Jun 19, 2008, at 3:06 AM, Jon Tan wrote:
 
 Historically each stanza in a poem is a paragraph. Layout (new lines) began
 punctuating paragraphs in the later Middle Ages. Prior to that the lines ran
 into one another with punctuation used to indicate where breaths and breaks
 in the running text occurred [1]. Syntactic punctuation was not commonplace
 until after Ben Johnson's English Grammar in 1640. That means that layout
 /is/ punctuation for modern poetry, so markup needs to reflect that. My
 recommendation would be p for stanzas and br / line breaks for most
 verse. To do anything that returns stanzas to running text when CSS is
 disabled would break the syntax of the verse /unless/ lines are specifically
 punctuated with something other than a break at the end; a comma for example.
 pre is an alternative but does not punctuate line ends at all, except
 visually. It would be interesting to know how alternative browsers handle
 both br /s and single/double line breaks in pre blocks. Do they inject a
 pause or other aural boundary?
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus

2008-06-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks Thierry - I'm looking into that too! Just not clear if it will handle
more than one level of menu items, waiting to hear back from them.

Cheers
susie


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 Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown
 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:45 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus
 
 Hi there
 
 I've been using the 456bereastreet.com method (
 
 http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200503/setting_the_current_menu_state_
 with_css/) to set the current menu state using css. Which is really great
 when there is only one level of menu items ...
 
 But I'm now trying to use it with 2 levels of menus, that incorporate
 background images for bullets and different colour schemes for the 2nd
 level
 ... (sigh - blame the graphic designer!)
 
 It works fine on the first level - see
 http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/contacts.html
 
 But when the link has sub-menu items under it, all of those get the same
 treatment! Because the styles are applied to the list item. Can anyone
 think
 of a way to do this that would not affect the sub-menu? I've tried
 applying
 the id to the 'a' tag but that did nothing!
 
 See http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/stLucia.html
 
 I did have a script that did this, but it didn't include background
 images,
 or separate colours/styles for the sub-menu items. And my javascript
 skills
 do not extend that far I'm afraid!
 
 Any thoughts would be great. I have spent too much time on this already,
 and
 need to know if I'm just trying to do something that will never be
 possible,
 and so should start again!
 
 In case you want to automate the process using a script:
 http://divahtml.com/products/divaGPS/current_menu_location.php
 
 There is a free version for DW users
 



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Re: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus

2008-06-09 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi Georg

Thanks for that. I'll have a go. You always seem to help me - thank you so
much!!

Re the font-resizing - sigh!! For a lot of the websites we develop at the
university here, we're supposed to use this awful template, which includes
the lefthand menu like this. In the template it's all in tables!! I got the
way of doing this menu from http://demo.pixelsandpages.com/test_dual.html
and I thought it covered all problems!

I looked at your page about this. I already have the base body font size set
at 62.5%. Are you saying that if I add in html{ font-size: 100%;}
before that it will be OK?

Of course, I'm a Mac-user, who pretty  much uses Firefox all the time. But I
do have XP and IE6 installed in Parallels so I check on that. But I guess
usually after I've developed in FF Mac ... :)

Thanks again
susie


On 10/6/08 1:18 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
 
 But when the link has sub-menu items under it, all of those get the
 same treatment! Because the styles are applied to the list item. Can
 anyone think of a way to do this that would not affect the sub-menu?
 
 http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/stLucia.html
 
 Add specificity to the selectors for sub-menu styles...
 
 #lhnav #navcontainer li li a { ... }
 #lhnav #navcontainer li li a:hover { ... }
 
 ...to make those styles override ACTIVE styles on first level.
 
 
 BTW: font-resizing doesn't play well with that menu in any browser, and
 IE/win's em font-resizing bug[1] doesn't help much either.
 
 regards
 Georg
 
 [1]http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_13.html



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and Joomla

2008-05-23 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I believe that with the new version (1.5) it is much easier to make sites
accessible. 

And thanks William for your suggestion of DW extensions. I did a search and
found one that looks really good. It's expensive ($US100) but has great
reviews on the Joomla extensions site, and includes a 1 hour training video.
And it's all about the Joomla 'template' which is where all the
formatting/CSS is organised. My work will  hopefully buy this for me (grin)

We shall see ... :)




On 23/5/08 12:19 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 5/22/08, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm just starting to (try to!) learn Joomla as I'm going to have to use it
 on a few upcoming sites. Having looked at the html output as I work through
 some of the tutorials, I'm wondering how accessible sites created in Joomla
 are, and if anyone has any experience/knowledge of good sites to help in
 this area ... ?
 
 i saw a joomla site last night that had considerable accessibility
 issues with it.  it didn't even pass the wai module in ff web dev tool
 bar.
 dwain



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[WSG] Accessibility and Joomla

2008-05-22 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I¹m just starting to (try to!) learn Joomla as I¹m going to have to use it
on a few upcoming sites. Having looked at the html output as I work through
some of the tutorials, I¹m wondering how accessible sites created in Joomla
are, and if anyone has any experience/knowledge of good sites to help in
this area ... ?

Obviously I¹m going to be doing my own stylesheets and taking it out of
table layout. At the moment I¹m wondering if it¹d be easier to develop the
site structure/CSS in Dreamweaver and then move it into Joomla.

Cheers
Susie


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Re: [WSG] IE6 background image positioning problem

2008-05-15 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks very much Gunlaug - that did work!

And Matljs - re the banner table, I work at a university where you are
supposed to use their template for university web pages. And the template is
all in tables!! Over time I have taken most of the template out of tables,
but to date have left the banner. This time I got the lefthand nav
successfully out! I'll have a look at using your solution next time but I
imagine it will take a while to get the banner to display the way it's
supposed to without being in a table.

And I've spent more time that I should have on this site already! At least
I've fixed up the lefthand nav so it holds together, and displays correctly
in IE6 (which is as low as we have to go here).

cheers
susie 


On 15/5/08 6:13 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
 
 http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/index6.html
 
 That big image on the right is a bg image in a container that has
 absolute positioning. It works fine in Firefox on my Mac, but IE6 it
 drops down.
 
 Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?
 
 You're trying to fixed-position a background, which I don't think you
 really want since that means the background is positioned relative to
 the browser-window - not the page.
 
 Anyway, IE6 can't handle fixed backgrounds on regular elements inside
 body, so it is absolute positioning that background.
 
 Change to...
 
 #entryContainer {
 background: #FFF url(entry-bg.jpg) no-repeat 193px 0;
 
 }
 
 ...and IE6 will line up with the other browsers - or rather the other
 way around but with all parts in the correct places.
 
 regards
 Georg



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[WSG] IE6 background image positioning problem

2008-05-14 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi there

I'm sure I should know how to fix this but I can't!

http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/index6.html
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UCTLC/uctlc6.css

That big image on the right is a bg image in a container that has absolute
positioning. It works fine in Firefox on my Mac, but IE6 it drops down. I've
tried conditional comments taking out the vertical position on the image but
it does nothing. 

Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks
susie



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Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I do think we also shouldn¹t forget that there are a lot of people out there
who need to find a webpage attractive in order to make them stay and read
the content. And some Flash(y) content can be useful/attractive. (Emphasis
on Œcan¹!) Some people (probably a lot) really like that sort of stuff ...
:)

- susie


On 7/5/08 5:03 AM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I take the point of view that web pages are created to communicate with your
 audience.  
 
 thats how I see it too, content is king
 
 
 I myself often have javascript and flash diasabled, so long as the content is
 available to the audience.
  
 



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Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-06 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
 


On 7/5/08 1:37 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Using some unobstrusive js effects much the same (and or better) can be made
 without flash
 
 http://simonwillison.net/static/2008/xtech/
 
 which advises making a standard site that functions with basic html and
 present it with css, and then add additional functionality
 
 not my own work but an example of the what I am talking about
 http://interiors.davroc.co.uk/
 

That¹s a nice-looking site!

I guess all I was trying to say is that Flash is here and developers will
use it. I would never make a fully Flash website personally and I do think
it¹s a bad idea. But an occasional little bit of Flash is another matter
(imho), depending on the circumstances/requirements of the site and it¹s
owner.
 
Sometimes it sounds like people think it doesn¹t matter what a site looks
like as long as it is accessible.
But it does matter to the majority of people. I know that content is the
ultimate thing, but if the site isn¹t presented in an attractive manner then
a lot of (sighted) people won¹t stop to look. I personally would rarely
bother looking at a site that had no styles and/or looked like a Word
document or list or something. I don¹t think I¹m alone here! Most of us live
in a visual world. So we want/expect/need to see attractive things.

I am not for one second saying we shouldn¹t be making websites that are
accessible and easy to use for everyone. But I don¹t see that this means
that developers shouldn¹t use other technologies that may not be accessible
to everyone, as long as the main content of the website is accessible by the
users that the website is being developed for.

I¹m going to stop before a hail of comments come my way! And I¹m going to
try and refrain from extending this conversation ... grin

- susie


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Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes

2008-04-16 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could
only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to
compress png files -  just needed to yesterday!! ... :)

- susie


On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote:
 Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot...  I've been
 rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc.
 
 But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long.
 
 I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any
 better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still
 retaining their high quality??
 
 
 If you just use Photoshop's normal Save functionality, selecting PNG as
 the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to
 assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the
 Save for Web and Devices dialog instead and it will create much smaller
 files.
 
 HTH,
 
 Nick.



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Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes

2008-04-16 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Well, I've just run a 6120b png file through it and it reduced to 196kb, so
I'm pleased about that!!

:)


On 17/4/08 9:49 AM, Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Susie,
 
 Yes it does, but this is what I've already used and I think the files are
 still rather huge!!  My version is CS3.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown
 Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:35 a.m.
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
 
 Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could
 only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to
 compress png files -  just needed to yesterday!! ... :)
 
 - susie
 
 
 On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote:
 Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot...  I've been
 rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc.
 
 But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long.
 
 I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any
 better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while
 still
 retaining their high quality??
 
 
 If you just use Photoshop's normal Save functionality, selecting PNG as
 the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to
 assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the
 Save for Web and Devices dialog instead and it will create much smaller
 files.
 
 HTH,
 
 Nick.
 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)

2008-04-03 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
It'd also be interesting to know if it reads aloud in an American accent!!
Or perhaps the better question would be, if  there is ANY software like this
that doesn't use an American accent ...

Cheers
susie


On 4/4/08 10:00 AM, Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Someone's asked me about software that will read aloud from a web
 page, in a user friendly way, to be used by secondary students whose
 reading age is low  prevents them being able to access the content.
 
 I've found a few examples - anyone have experience using any of these,
 or other software that you would recommend?
 
 http://www.browsealoud.com/page.asp?pg_id=80002
 
 http://www.readplease.com/
 
 http://www.guangmingsoft.net/speakaloud/help.htm
 
 http://www.nextup.com/TextAloud/
 
 Cheers,
 Rebecca
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Unobtrusive JavaScript (was: generate data)

2008-02-26 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi Chris

Thought I'd let you know - I looked at your web page and the first two
examples, when I clicked on the link, didn't work for me at all! No extra
paragraph appearing (or disappearing!) and no time change. I'm on a Mac
using Firefox 2.0.0.12 ...

It sounds good - I'd like to access a version that works ... :)

Cheers
susie


On 26/2/08 8:16 PM, Chris Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I've written a small set of helper functions that will allow you to
 unobtrusively add JavaScript to a web page. It's built on the back off the
 prototype library so you'll need that as well. See the details here:
 http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/projects/performer/performer.html
 
 A couple of examples. 1) If you want to create a toggling element you can do
 this:
 
   pa href=# class=togger rel=toggleelementToggle the visibility of
 the toggleelement element/a/p
 
   div class=hider id=toggleelementThis element will be toggleable (is
 that a word?)/div
 
 The hider class on the toggleable element will hide the element only if JS
 is enabled, so if it's not the element will never be hidden. Of course you can
 add additional classes both to the link and the toggleable element, and you
 can set the href attribute of the link to whatever you want.
 
 2) Loading remote content into an element (known as AJAX)
 
   pa href=# class=loader rel=targetelement rev=targetpage.phpLoad
 content/a/p
 
   p id=targetelementTarget element/p
 
 When the link with class loader is clicked the element with the id
 targetelement will be filled with the content from the targetpage.php
 page.
 
 If anyone needs any more information please get in touch.
 
 Chris
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Ray Leventhal
 Sent: 25 February 2008 20:20
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] re: generate data
 
 tee wrote:
 Hi, I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially the responses from
 Georg and Breton, and thank you Dwain for asking the question.
 
 I have heard a lot about unobtrusive js but thus far it's more like a
 buzzword to me because I understand no JS.
 
 Can one recommend which JS library is more accessibility user-friendly
 (is there such word?!). I know the jquery, mootool, prototype, Dojo,
 Extjs, YUI libraries, and have recently used the jquery for accordion
 menu  and prototype for glider (sliding gallery like the one in
 Panic.com), but I don't know enough to settle for one that is relatively
 small size and unobtrusive. Everybody claims he is unobtrusive, and I
 have difficulty to settle down with one.
 
 Thanks!
 Hi tee,
 
 An interesting thread indeed.
 
 I can't recommend any JS libraries as I'm only now cutting my teeth on
 JS, but I can wholeheartedly recommend a book on JS which focuses on
 graceful degradation and manipulation of the DOM:
 
 DOM Scripting: Web Design with JavaScript and the Document Object Model
   by Jeremy Keith
 
 
 HTH,
 -Ray
 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
A further query on the longdesc attribute.

Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? It¹d be a
great solution for a current problem where I¹m trying to update an oldish
website to be more accessible. I¹ve got a Flash animation that¹s a list of
(6) headings, each with 3 options (advantage, disadvantage, strategy) that
are accessed by clicking on an icon (18 in total). I was going to convert it
to a table  but maybe I could leave it as the Flash animation and have a
longdesc link?

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Ah well, for a minute there I got quite excited!! Should have realised I'd
already know about this if it was a real possibility!!

Thanks for all the info ... :)

- susie


On 4/2/08 12:23 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
 A further query on the longdesc attribute.
 
 Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation?
 
 The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first
 reason why you couldn't...
 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3
 
 Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element
 itself.
 
 P



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Re: [WSG] Mocking up web interfaces

2007-05-23 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Photoshop ... :)

I do use Fireworks sometimes, but know Photoshop better.

- susie


On 24/5/07 9:22 AM, Douglas Reith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi there,
 Just a quick one - what do people most commonly mock up web site designs in?
 (Photoshop?)
 Also, if possible, Linux and GPL or similar would be great!!
 Cheers,
 Doug




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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general

2007-05-14 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi there Kepler

Thank you!
I believe it¹s OK now.

I would really like to ask you how you know all this ­ how you keep it in
your head?!! Do you have pages and pages of stuff like this written down, or
what?!!!

For example: about making nav buttons clickable in IE7: why does the
container div need to be Œposition: relative² for IE7? And what if there
wasn¹t a container div? Would that make it not work at all?!

I really need to get a handle on how to keep all these things Œknown¹ to me!
I¹ve got a quite good book ­ The CSS Anthology, by Rachel Andrews. But it¹s
pre-IE7 ... 

Any thoughts, suggestions would be great!

Thanks again ... :)

- susie


On 15/5/07 6:37 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Susan,
  
 To make the navigation buttons clickable in IE7 you need to define the
 container as position: relative:
  
 #container {
 position: relative;
 }
  
 Also the pseudo links should be defined for :link and :visited if you define
 It for :hover. Try using these for the navigation definitions:
  
 #leftNav a:link, #leftNav a:visited {   /* instead of #leftNav a */
  
 #level2nav  a:link, #level2nav a:visited   {/* instead of #level2nav li a
 */
  
 Regards,
 Kepler
  
  
 
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem - more general

2007-05-14 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Sigh ... !!!

Well, apart from that -

Thanks for the link. That looks really useful!

Cheers
susie


On 15/5/07 9:32 AM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I am like you merely trying to keep a grasp of the situation
 
 I have glanced over this article today
 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/05/10/70-expert-ideas-for-better-css-codi
 ng/  
 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/05/10/70-expert-ideas-for-better-css-cod
 ing/ 
 
 featuring some ideas from Rachel Andrews.
 
 and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but its still not clickable in IE6
 
 - S
 
 On 15/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 Hi there Kepler
 
 Thank you!
 I believe it's OK now.
 
 I would really like to ask you how you know all this ­ how you keep it in
 your head?!! Do you have pages and pages of stuff like this written down, or
 what?!!!
 
 For example: about making nav buttons clickable in IE7: why does the
 container div need to be 'position: relative for IE7? And what if there
 wasn't a container div? Would that make it not work at all?!
 
 I really need to get a handle on how to keep all these things 'known' to me!
 I've got a quite good book ­ The CSS Anthology, by Rachel Andrews. But it's
 pre-IE7 ... 
 
 Any thoughts, suggestions would be great!
 
 Thanks again ... :)
 
 - susie
 
 
 On 15/5/07 6:37 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi Susan,
  
 To make the navigation buttons clickable in IE7 you need to define the
 container as position: relative:
  
 #container {
 position: relative;
 }
  
 Also the pseudo links should be defined for :link and :visited if you define
 It for :hover. Try using these for the navigation definitions:
  
 #leftNav a:link, #leftNav a:visited {   /* instead of #leftNav a */
  
 #level2nav  a:link, #level2nav a:visited   {/* instead of #level2nav li
 a */
  
 Regards,
 Kepler
  
  
 
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[WSG] IE6 problem

2007-05-13 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi again

Still on the same website ...

Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting till
after the end of the leftnav div ­ ie. Further down the page. It is fine in
IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages
concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of
the content area.

Example pages:

http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html
Or
http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html

Anyone know what the fix is for this?

I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the
individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget them
if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!!

Cheers
susie


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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

2007-05-13 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem!

Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?!

- susie


On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and
 that's what she said. Obviously something else for her!
 
 And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!)
 
 However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the
 textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
 
 Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may
 I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong?
 
 And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not
 clickable?
 
 - susie
 
 
 On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the
 same place in FF  IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems
 in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not
 with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in
 the left nav are clickable.
 
 You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per
 fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each
 textarea should be in a label tag instead.
 
 On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi again
 
 Still on the same website ...
 
 Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting
 till
 after the end of the leftnav div ­ ie. Further down the page. It is fine
 in
 IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages
 concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top of
 the content area.
 
 Example pages:
 
 http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html
 Or
 http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html
 
 Anyone know what the fix is for this?
 
 I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the
 individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget
 them
 if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!!
 
 Cheers
 susie
 
 
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

2007-05-13 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks Sam ...

I guess I'll leave my (br clear all) fix on the page ­ but hopefully will
remember about your suggestion for another time!

Calendar is clickable for me too on Mac (Firefox and Safari) and PC (IE7).
Not sure about IE6 though ... I feel sure there must be some conditional
comments fix for that, but god knows what!!

Thanks for your response ... :)

Cheers
susie


On 14/5/07 12:39 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
 
 and always when you least need it :)
 
 you could try
 
 textarea {
 margin-left: -200px; /* though this would be best in an IE-fixit.css
 stylesheet using ie conditional comments */
 width: 70%;
 height: 12em;
 font-family: helvetica, arial, geneva, sans-serif;
 
 }
 
 
 and the calendar is clickable for me in both firefox and inferior explorer
 
 of course - someone may propose a more appropriate solution.
 
 - S
 
 On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and
 that's what she said. Obviously something else for her!
 
 And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!)
 
 However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the
 textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
 
 Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I may
 I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong?
 
 And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not
 clickable?
 
 - susie
 
 
 On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
  I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the
  same place in FF  IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems
  in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and not
  with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in
  the left nav are clickable.
 
  You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend per
  fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each
  textarea should be in a label tag instead.
 
  On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi again
 
  Still on the same website ...
 
  Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t starting
  till
  after the end of the leftnav div ­ ie. Further down the page. It is fine
  in
  IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages
  concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top
of
  the content area.
  
  Example pages:
 
  http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html
  Or
  http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html
 
  Anyone know what the fix is for this?
 
  I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the
  individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then forget
  them
  if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!!
 
  Cheers
  susie
 
 
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

2007-05-13 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
No, sorry, that wasn¹t what I meant. (Unclear I know!)

When you¹re on the calendar pages there are links in a level 2 menu ­ GIFs,
TIPs and Cultural Calendar. I think that John was meaning that those links
weren¹t clickable. (But maybe I¹m wrong?!) They work for me as I said, but
...

http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html

- susie


On 14/5/07 12:58 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 works fine in ff, opera  ie on windows 2000
 
 I click the beige links and get pdf's
 
 - S
 
 On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem!
 
 Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ... ?!
 
 - susie
 
 
 On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
  Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6 and
  that's what she said. Obviously something else for her!
 
  And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!)
 
  However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the
  textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
 
  Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try what I
 may 
  I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong?
 
  And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're not
  clickable?
 
  - susie
 
 
  On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears in the
  same place in FF  IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other problems
  in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right and
 not
  with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the links in
  the left nav are clickable.
 
  You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one legend
 per
  fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with each
  textarea should be in a label tag instead.
 
  On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi again
 
  Still on the same website ...
 
  Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t
 starting
  till 
  after the end of the leftnav div ­ ie. Further down the page. It is
 fine
  in
  IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The pages
  concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near the top
of 
  the content area.
 
  Example pages:
 
  http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html
  Or
  http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html
 
  Anyone know what the fix is for this?
 
  I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all the
  individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then
 forget
  them
  if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!!
 
  Cheers
  susie
 
 
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Re: [WSG] IE6 problem

2007-05-13 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Guys!
You are wonderful!!

I would never have thought of that ­ and still have no idea why that would
make a difference! I¹ve changed it on the site and it¹s fine in IE7. If you
want to give it one last look in IE6 that¹d be wonderful (but I am sure I
can find someone somewhere here at UQ with IE6 if you can¹t!)

Thank you so much!!

- susie

On 14/5/07 1:43 PM, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yep, for me too.
 
 sorry to say.  However other pages are ok.
 
 also removing the image (for me in ie6) gets the first link (and not the
 others) working.
 
 and I'd have to say that that has me beat.
 
 
 and after further investigation
 
 removing the margin-bottom: -10px gets it working
 
 - S
 
 On 14/05/07, John Faulds  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 It's not the links on the calendar that don't work - it's the links in the
 left nav. Not sure why but it's something to do with the h2 because taking
 it out fixes the problem.
 
 On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:58:37 +1000, Sam Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  works fine in ff, opera  ie on windows 2000
 
  I click the beige links and get pdf's
 
  - S
 
  On 14/05/07, Susie Gardner-Brown  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
  OK, I've sorted out the textarea problem!
 
  Now it's just the links on the calendar page that aren't clickable ...
  ?!
 
  - susie
 
 
  On 14/5/07 12:04 PM, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Thanks again John. I had to rely on someone else to tell me about IE6
  and
   that's what she said. Obviously something else for her!
  
   And thanks for your info on my incorrect use of forms (!)
  
   However ...Now that I've changed the tags, and hopefully aligned the
   textareas, something else has cropped up. (Doesn't it always?!)
  
   Now the last textarea on the form page is aligning right, and try
  what I
  may
   I can't bring it back. Can you see where I'm doing something wrong?
  
   And re the links on the calendar page - any thoughts on why they're
  not
   clickable?
  
   - susie
  
  
   On 14/5/07 11:05 AM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I'm not seeing the problems as you describe - the content appears
in
  the
   same place in FF  IE6 on both pages. There are couple of other
  problems 
   in IE6 though: on the form page, your textareas are aligned right
and
  not
   with the text above them and on the calendar page, none of the
links
  in
   the left nav are clickable.
  
   You're also using legends incorrectly. There should only be one
  legend
  per
   fieldset which describes all the fields. The text associated with
  each
   textarea should be in a label tag instead.
  
   On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:27:46 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  
   Hi again
  
   Still on the same website ...
  
   Apparently on a couple of pages in IE6, the main content isn¹t
  starting
   till
   after the end of the leftnav div ­ ie. Further down the page. It
is
  fine
   in
   IE7 and Firefox. And fine on Firefox and Safari on the Mac. The
  pages
   concerned have either got a form, or else a large graphic near
the
  top
  of
   the content area.
  
   Example pages:
  
   http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/feedback.html
   Or
   http://www.tedi.uq.edu.au/CDIP/calendar/January.html
  
   Anyone know what the fix is for this?
  
   I wish there was one website where you could go and look up all
the 
   individual fixes for things ... I tend to learn things, and then
  forget
   them
   if I don¹t use them again quickly, so have to keep asking!!
  
   Cheers
   susie
  
  
   
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[WSG] Help needed

2007-05-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Hi there

I¹ve got a problem with a page I¹m having to do in a hurry! Site has to go
live and be demo¹d at a launch on Monday ... I only got the content, graphic
layout etc. a couple of days ago. (And it¹s an official university sub-site
so I¹m forced to use some of their code (tables?!!) and styles in part of
it.)

Anyway, my problem is ­ well 3 things.

1.  In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level
Œlink¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them line up
or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m
doing wrong here?

2.  And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them. I
can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK.

3.  I also can¹t see why the Œfoot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer.

http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/Trials/TEDICDIP/index.html

I know the stylesheet (styles2.css) is a mess. I based it on an old one for
another site and probably shouldn¹t. But it¹s panic stations all round! I
don¹t think anything from the imported UQ stylesheet is causing a problem,
but ...

Anyway, if anyone could see what is causing that problem, I¹d be very
grateful!! (I¹m highly embarrassed to expose such a mess, but needs must!!)

- susie


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Re: [WSG] Help needed

2007-05-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
 


On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1.  In the lefthand nav I would have liked to have some of the 2nd level
 Œlink¹s not links. But my code is up the creek and I can¹t make them
 line up
 or be the same font size unless they¹re all links. Any clues on what I¹m
 doing wrong here?
 
 Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to display
 block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the
 anchors a dimension.

No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari ...
 
 2.  And also, the bottom 2 2nd-level links jump when you roll over them.
 I can¹t see why! The top 2 are OK.
 
 I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may
 be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent.
 
Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ...

 3.  I also can¹t see why the Œfoot2¹ style isn¹t applying to the footer.
 
 I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS.

It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ...

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Re: [WSG] Help needed

2007-05-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks John.

I found the errant */ and the footer is working as it should, so thanks
for that. I don't know where my brain is this afternoon - frozen up I think!

Would you mind explaining what the fixes actually are? If I give the anchor
(link) styles a width, I'm not clear how to do that and make it accurate.
Whatever I've tried has taken the bg colour out further than the navbar, and
hasn't made any difference to the jumping. And what would the code be for a
hasLayout issue? I haven't come across that before ...

- susie 

 


On 11/5/07 1:27 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can't help you with your Mac problems, I can only tell you what I see in
 Windows (and the suggested fixes will still apply), but for the footer
 problem, remove  */  from just above  /* FOOTER STYLE */  - it's closing a
 comment that's not opened.
 
 On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:49 +1000, Susie Gardner-Brown
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On 11/5/07 12:30 PM, John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 snip
 
 Are these IE problems? If so, it's because the anchors are set to
 display
 block which causes a bug in IE which can be reset by also giving the
 anchors a dimension.
 
 No I'm looking at this in Firefox on a Mac. It doesn't happen in Safari
 ...
 
 snip
 
 I'm not really seeing this but it's probably a hasLayout issue which may
 be solved by adding a dimension to the problem element or its parent.
 
 Ditto the above ... I don't know what this 'hasLayout' thing is ...
 
 snip
 
 I don't see any footer2 styles in your CSS.
 
 It's there - I've doublechecked. Near the bottom ...
 
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[WSG] WANAU - anyone heard of them?

2007-04-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ...

http://www.wanau.org/site.html

They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online
teaching at UQ where I work, and we¹ve been asked to help ... :)

I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any feedback!

Cheers
Susie


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Re: [WSG] WANAU - anyone heard of them?

2007-04-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks everyone for your responses! I'd never heard of them before - they
obviously haven't had a presence at UQ to date.

Looks like I (and my department) will be getting involved, which is great!

Cheers
susie


On 11/4/07 11:54 AM, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Susie,
 
  Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities ...
  http://www.wanau.org/site.html
  They are proposing running their annual forum on Accessibility in online
 teaching at UQ where I work, and we've been asked to help ... :)
  I expect I will be involved anyway, but would be interested in any
 feedback!
 
 WANAU has been around for a few years now and the forums are great. Of
 course I may be biased since I ran the 2005 forum at Griffith ;)
 
 Basically WANAU is there to connect university-based web professionals
 and allow knowledge sharing, events, etc. Universities have
 accessibility challenges which often require different approaches than
 those encountered in the commercial sector; so WANAU provides a great
 way to get people together to discuss the issues.
 
 Well worth being involved if you're a web professional at a uni! :)
 
 cheers,
 
 Ben



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