Re: [WSG] possible to make absolute position moves down with fontsize resize?

2008-05-16 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Add some padding at the bottom of the content with the same size as the absolutely positioned element. That should prevent the preseeding content to not overlap. You might have to do some position and size adjustments to make it all fit again after you add the padding.

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread Thomas Thomassen
If you do content negotiation to send html/text and XHTML 1.0 to IE and application/xhtml+xml XHTML to anyone else then you're effectivly using XHTML 1.0 html/text as you'd never be able to make use of the modular XML nature of XHTML 1.1. - Original Message - From: Nikita The Spider

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread Thomas Thomassen
You can still do that with XHTML 1.0 sent as html/text. I've done that several times when I've made desktop gadgets to extract data from my site. The parsers doesn't care if the page is sent as html/text instead of xml/text. I don't see any point of using XHTML 1.1 unless you use it's modular

Re: [WSG] Reset the styles on a submit button with CSS

2008-05-06 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Or, instead of using a class to reset the layout to original, why not set a class for the elements you actually are styling? When I use use INPUT elements I allways add a class related to what kind of input element it is and only refer to the class in the CSS. Recently I've started to use

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-05-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Could be technical if you want to allow your pages to be parsed with XML parsers. I've done that in the past because I made some software to fetch data from my site. -Thom From: Andrew Maben Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I've not done any full Flash websites. For reasons of accessibility and the loss of browser navigational tools. But I have been playing with an idea; use XHTML as data source for the site instead of plain XML. That way you build a site with all the accessibility and features of HTML with Flash

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-30 Thread Thomas Thomassen
If there isn't any doctype you won't have to worry. IE8 will use the old render engines for that. -- From: Jens-Uwe Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a

Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Poping up windows makes assumtion of the user's behaviour. I for one find it very annoying when sites force open a new window. If I want to navigate a link I open the link up in a new tab. Forcing the link to open up in a new window doesn't make me stay on the site, it just makes me click extra

Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Thomas Thomassen
myself. But as I said, it's a different fish from websites. -Thom - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml Thomas Thomassen wrote: Poping up

Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Thomas Thomassen
.. although I wonder how many people would know how to do that. Not everyone who uses the internet is all that websavvy. Nancy - Original Message - From: Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] a target

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

2008-03-26 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameThe ADDRESS element is intended to provide contact information for the author of the HTML document, not any address. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 -Thom - Original Message - From: Cole Kuryakin To:

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
the content supposed to be the job of the browser/user agent - rather than you using CSS. On Sun, March 23, 2008 12:43 pm, Thomas Thomassen wrote: I was working on some examples for the use of del and ins. http://www.thomthom.net/blog/2008/03/document-history-viewer-making-use-of-d el-and-ins

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
] On Behalf Of Thomas Thomassen Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:44 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists I was working on some examples for the use of del and ins. http://www.thomthom.net/blog/2008/03/document-history-viewer-making-use-of-del-and-ins

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
, March 25, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists Regardless, Tags are there to markup content, whereas classes are used to group together tags or markup. Kyle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Thomassen Sent: 25 March

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Thomassen Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
. -Thom - Original Message - From: Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists Thomas Thomassen skrev: I posted a comment about it in the W3C public HTML discussion group, hoping it'd

Re: [WSG] Apply ALT tag to background image?

2008-03-24 Thread Thomas Thomassen
You can only apply the alt attribute to img elements. If you need to provide an alt attribute to a CSS background image then the background image should instead be an img element. Use the img element for images related to the content and keep all images related to layout in your CSS. -

Re: [WSG] Fieldsets outside of forms. Was: Safari 3.1 and webkit-border-radius

2008-03-23 Thread Thomas Thomassen
In addition to using the dictionary, it's worth looking up how W3C uses the terms in relationship with the specs. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt While MUST and MUST NOT would be more handy, reality is grey sometimes and does depend on the interpretation of the author. The biggest problem

[WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-23 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I was working on some examples for the use of del and ins. http://www.thomthom.net/blog/2008/03/document-history-viewer-making-use-of-del-and-ins/ As I was working on this I wanted to mark up a list where items had been added and removed. That's when I realised that you can't wrap up li dt or

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

2008-03-21 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I've used conditional comments to serve tweak CSS files to older IE versions. When I tested IE8 on my sites they all looked fine and I didn't have to add a separate CSS file for it. That's quite a good sign for a beta version. (I'm using strict mode here so it triggered IE8's superstandard

Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey

2008-03-17 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Because they are defined by w3c what they should map to. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#color-units - Original Message - From: Adam Martin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey Are you talking from a

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-06 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Google cache: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:hJvRsZGb7kUJ:www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt+http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txthl=enct=clnkcd=1gl=noclient=firefox-a - Original Message - From: Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
IE8 does provide a mode switch to IE7. There's a new button next to the home button. Though I'm not surpriced it nuked your IE6 installation. I gave it a go and tried some of my testcases where I make heavy use of selectors and other cutting edge CSS features. Can't say I was impressed. I had

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
p.s. the testcase I'm working on is here: http://thomthom.net/storage/markup/html/sitenav/ (NOTE: very rough draft!) but if you use it to compare IE8 with Firefox2/3, Opera 9 and Safari 3 you see that IE8 still got a long way to go. :( - Original Message - From: Thomas Thomassen

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Some of the oddness can use experienced here: http://thomthom.net/storage/markup/html/sitenav/ In IE8 the drop down menu of the red nav bar will hide when the cursor moves over the menu where the headers are below. Also, the table of content will not drop down. In my CSS code for the TOC I

Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8

2008-03-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Yup, I'm seeing odd :hover behaviour as well in some of my own testcases. Launch them bug reports at them. https://connect.microsoft.com/IE Let make sure MS is told about the problems now early. If not we'll be stuck with this for sure afterwards. - Original Message - From: Gunlaug

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-03 Thread Thomas Thomassen
True. IE is more than just a browser. It's a development platform. Intranet systems, HTA applications etc. Some of them might be used in mission critial systems where it's less than ideal to update the HTML and CSS every time IE updates it rendering engine so locking them self to a spesific

Re: [WSG] multiple css style sheets

2008-02-27 Thread Thomas Thomassen
You specify different stylesheets for different medias. The most common ones are to target handhelds, print and screenreaders. The user-agent will use the MEDIA attribute to pick the correct stylesheet. It is also possible to provide multiple stylesheets which the user can select from. Though

Re: [WSG] Web Browser Testing and the Practicallity of Testing other OS's

2008-02-26 Thread Thomas Thomassen
It might be worth testing on different platforms. Firefox 2.0 on Windows, OSX and Linux. I belive there some times are some quirks that creeps up. All though rare. - Original Message - From: Andrew WC Brown To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:28

Re: [WSG] repeating background png support ie6

2008-02-19 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Screenshots sent. Not sure how gracefully degrade. I think once when I used a translucent image it was an even colour and IE6 should simply degrade to display the colour solid. That worked fine for my use. Your case might be different though. - Original Message - From: kevin

Re: [WSG] books

2008-02-19 Thread Thomas Thomassen
it... ;-) On Feb 19 2008, at 07:29, Thomas Thomassen wrote: Don't make the think -- A Common Sence Approach to Web Usability by Steve Krug Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http

Re: [WSG] books

2008-02-18 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Don't make the think -- A Common Sence Approach to Web Usability by Steve Krug - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: [WSG] books Anybody can suggest me some good books or other

Re: [WSG] long words not wrapping inside DIV

2008-02-18 Thread Thomas Thomassen
As far as I know, control of how text wrap was introduced in CSS3: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-wrap All though, IE has it's own property for this http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms531186(VS.85).aspx I think you'll have to pick a different word for your localization. Out of

Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents

2008-02-17 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Yes, IE doesn't handle attribute selectors. However, I'd still be tempted to use it. The only thing that happens is that IE6 doesn't display the icons. Graceful degradation. Users with newer browsers will get a better experience, but it'll still work with the older browsers. - Original

Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents

2008-02-17 Thread Thomas Thomassen
On Sun, February 17, 2008 10:02 pm, Thomas Thomassen wrote: Yes, IE doesn't handle attribute selectors. There are always javascript workarounds for attribute selectors in IE. However, I'd still be tempted to use it. The only thing that happens is that IE6 doesn't display

Re: [WSG] hello

2008-02-12 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Nothing. Web 2.0 is a buzzword. There's nothing truely new. It's often accociated with social networking. Sites where the users provide the content. - Original Message - From: Gitanjali To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding

2008-02-11 Thread Thomas Thomassen
The branding might change. I'm in favour of span with a class, like: span class=logo. - Original Message - From: Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding Do I: a. Use the

Re: [WSG] IE6 3-pixel jog victim

2008-02-10 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Add left padding to the paragraph intead? - Original Message - From: Jens-Uwe Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:33 PM Subject: [WSG] IE6 3-pixel jog victim Hi, I have restyled a timeline but have come stuck with IE6's 3-pixel

Re: [WSG] use of p in li

2008-02-10 Thread Thomas Thomassen
The definition lists aren't soly for defining a term. The W3C specs gives an example usage of DL to marking up dialouges. I see the defintion lists as a good option when the list consists of two parts, a headline and a description. - Original Message - From: John Faulds [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Thomas Thomassen
be accommodating :) Cheers. Mike - Original Message - From: Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Very interesting article. I'm reevaluating my options about lists on forms. But I'm not sure I

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-08 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Very interesting article. I'm reevaluating my options about lists on forms. But I'm not sure I feel comfortable with a br between the label and input. Semantically it looks like it separates them, even though the FOR attributes connects them. If the br came after the input then both the

Re: [WSG] Small element (was:Styling forms)

2008-02-08 Thread Thomas Thomassen
I had a look at your article. Got some questions: One of your examples: p iWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/i, he thought. /p Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use: p qWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/q, he thought. /p

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-07 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Fieldsets and Labels is present in HTML4 as well. Don't see anything new about that. Still need some extra elements to organise them. Such as lists. - Original Message - From: Joe Ortenzi To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-07 Thread Thomas Thomassen
, or advantageous and, if not careful, can actually take away from the form. Just like a p doesn't need a td, a label + input combo doesn't need an li. Old conversation, I know, but I just had to chime in. Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ - Original Message - From: Thomas

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-07 Thread Thomas Thomassen
hm... this thread has given me a thinker. How does screenreaders treat using just labelinput//label? form fieldset labelFoo: input id=foo//label labelBar: input id=bar//label /fieldset /form How will it present the form? If it's all inline, will it be read continuous, or will there

Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0

2008-02-06 Thread Thomas Thomassen
On having Layout is a good article that gives good insight to most of IE's quirks: http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html - Original Message - From: Joe Ortenzi To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] display

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Have a look at this article on A List Apart: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/prettyaccessibleforms If you haven't been too that site before then have a snoop around. They got lots of really good articles. - Original Message - From: Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [WSG] Styling forms

2008-02-05 Thread Thomas Thomassen
When the LABEL element wraps around INPUT you do not need the FOR attribute.The hierarchy provides the connection between them. However, when the LABEL does not wrap around the INPUT, the FOR attribute is required for useragent to know the elements are related. - Original Message -

Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas Thomassen
] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type Thomas Thomassen wrote: Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML. Though, I have seen

Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Subject: Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type Thomas Thomassen skrev: There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 only advantage is that it's modulized Not entirely true. XHTML 1.1 includes ruby. and can only be sent as XML so it can be extended

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread Thomas Thomassen
- Original Message - From: Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy Thomas Thomassen wrote: You don't have to modify every single HTML you publish. You can set the HTTP header for HTML

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread Thomas Thomassen
: Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy Thomas Thomassen wrote: You don't have to modify every single HTML you publish. You can set the HTTP header for HTML files on your server and off you go

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread Thomas Thomassen
@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy On Jan 30, 2008 1:31 AM, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't want to default to IE8 rendering because of what happend with IE7. It broke website. Not only that but IE is used so much outside

Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-30 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML. Though, I have seen people sniffing out browsers and using server side scripting to change the doctype. XHTML 1.1 to browsers than supports it, and XHTML 1.0 with the html mime to

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-29 Thread Thomas Thomassen
But the crappy intranet sites etc that are coded specifically to IE6 or IE7's quirks *won't* go away (as that's the whole reason why MS are doing this), so no, the meta tag (and the associated rendering engine) will stay. If they're freezing rendering unless you opt-in because corporates won't

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-29 Thread Thomas Thomassen
You don't have to modify every single HTML you publish. You can set the HTTP header for HTML files on your server and off you go. Btw, you have to author every single document, so is it really that bad to add a meta tag? They don't want to default to IE8 rendering because of what happend with

Re: [WSG] Background images versus image

2008-01-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
You could make the javascript trigger on the image onload events. Though, I think some older version of Opera, v8 or 7.54, doesn't support the onLoad event for images. - Original Message - From: Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WSG] Background images versus image

2008-01-25 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Most mobile phones won't use Javascript or CSS either. And the usage of handheld devices is rapidly increasing. So is other gadgets. Nintendo DS for instance. We can't assume that only browser applications is used to access our webpages. - Original Message - From: Christian Snodgrass