Re: [WSG] Must Read
Marc Greenstock wrote: It is probably best to actually save the images out after the first load so the images are permanently as part of the file system. In the event that you need to change the text simply delete the images and let them reload. This is exactly what I did for a site I built. I wrote a component that checks if a graphic exists and generates it on the fly. The function then returns an img/ tag complete with alt text. For the filename I use an md5 hash of the text, the size, fore and background colour and any other detail that makes the image unique. I also had some problems with imagettfbbox, I had to apply a correction to the values it returns. I guess this value is likely to be unique for each font. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] IE:Mac clears float for no apparent reason
Hi all, I have redesigned a site from Dreamweaver table city to XHTML 1.0 strict. It's mostly gone well, but Internet Explorer 5.2 for Mac has a couple of issues. The one I'm trying to solve right now is apparent on this page: http://www.organicdance.com.au/organicdance/site/about It seems that the h2About the Facilitator/h2 clears the float set on the image above -- even if I set all margins and paddings to 0, set the H2's width to 200px *and* explicitly set clear: none on the H2. This may be a bug or I may have overlooked something. But the float works properly in every modern browser other than Mac IE 5.2 Any help on this would be much appreciated Cheers, Vik * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list [Virus checkedAU]
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Hi all,
David McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So how about doing something similar to what Simon Willison has done
for the CSS-Discuss mailing list? He has created a companion site
that basically has a list of FAQs, tecnhiques, how-to's, step by step
examples etc.
That would be great. Particularly a section listing common browser (IE)
bugs (with screenshots or links to relevant articles perhaps). That way we
could just post the link that's related to the problem and get rid of the
duplicates.
We have the Resources page on our site,
http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ so maybe we should get in
there and use it in a similar way. This would be beneficial to
everyone, both new members and old, as we could point people with
specifc problems to the resources pages, and maybe keep the list a
little less heavy in the process.
I have an evil plan... why not ask the persons we help to put together a
page with the problem and the solution and submit it afterwards. They could
consider doing this as sort of thanking the list for solving their problem
and giving back something in return.
Of course this cannot (and perhaps shouldn't) be policed that strictly but
it hey, karma works for Slashdot ;-) And writing documentation gives less
CSS-savvy users an opportunity to contribute. Other people can then edit
the docs or add to them if it's necessary.
Just a thought...
Cheers,
Vik
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to wsg
Hi there,
I've also recently been a little concerned by the amount of how to
posts, and the repetitive back and forth email that some of these
posts generate.
However, I do realise that people find some of these posts valuable.
When thinking about it a bit more, I realised that it's actually the
solutions to these problems that people find valuable.
So how about doing something similar to what Simon Willison has done
for the CSS-Discuss mailing list? He has created a companion site
that basically has a list of FAQs, tecnhiques, how-to's, step by step
examples etc.
We have the Resources page on our site,
http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ so maybe we should get in
there and use it in a similar way. This would be beneficial to
everyone, both new members and old, as we could point people with
specifc problems to the resources pages, and maybe keep the list a
little less heavy in the process.
This would take some effort on our behalf - I am happy to dedicate
some time into getting the Resources pages up to speed, and I know
others would as well.
What does everyone think?
Regards.
David McDonald
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:53:38 +1100
Hi Taco
[CSS]
[WSG] Web Standards
[OT] Off topic
{TOT] Totally Of Topic ;-)
If you're in the mood to write a [OT] or [TOT] message - please
don't. Mail
volume is an issue and the list mums (Russ Peter) have made call -
keep it
on topic or post else where (like CFAUSSIE where this stuff is ok).
I'm not meaning to be harsh but we need to be considerate
Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Peter, What you'll need: 1. One (possibly obsolete) PC for each version of Internet Explorer you want to test on. You can arrange the monitors in a semicircle around the desk or possibly use a KVM switch. Or you could use Virtual PC I suppose. Mozilla, NS4 and others can run on one of the Windows machines. You might also want to set up a Linux box for Konqueror. 2. Some means of remote procedure call. This could be SSH or a web service. It needs to be available on each of the testing machines. 3. An HTML form with a drop-down list (multi-select would be nice) for the browser and a text box for the URL. 4. Backend code that will start up the selected browser(s) with the URL in the text box. This would be the easiest solution provided that every browser you want to test on will accept an URL as a command-line argument. Then you can just execute a command like C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe http://www.yoursite.com/; on every machine. This is theoretically possible. Writing an application that will accurately emulate every single rendering bug for even a single browser is pretty much impossible -- especially if the said browser is Internet Explorer. So you must run the original browser, just like browsercam does. Launching the browsers this way will let you scroll, click and hover and yet the process is automated so you can launch an URL on all your browsers in one place. ...And you'll have a healthy glow from all those monitors ;-) HTH, Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 -- Disclaimer: I'm not going to code this beast for you ;-) NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] [OT] Apology [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi all, Sorry about yet another email on this subject but I owe Taco an apology for making fun of him on a public list (although it wasn't deliberate). I'm really sorry for this. My previous email wasn't meant for the list. I was meant to be a private email to someone who's also on the list but I forgot to change the email address. I definitely know better than to send something like this to a public list. Also as a system administrator looking after a firewall and a number of web servers amongst other things and as a web developer whose code runs on a number of other systems, I would not disclose any vulnerabilities I find to anyone than the site owner / admin. But since this was a totally innocent cross-site vulnerability that would not compromise the security of Taco's server in any way, I decided to privately share the link with someone for a laugh. Unfortunately this email ended up on the list and I was hiding in the corner holding my head and whimpering for a while when I realised. I would also like to apologise to everyone on the list for the off-topic emails generated as the result of my action. Those who know me understand my preference on keeping the list low volume and on-topic. I'm sorry for any aggravation and wasted time I caused. I think I'll go back to hiding in the corner for a while... Regards, Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] more usable forms [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Andrew, I have never heard of the label tag. This article is quite useful. It is true - every detail matters once you get to a certain level of web development. If you found the label tag useful, check out the fieldset and legend tags as well. They are not only good for accessibility but look quite good as well. These two links explain them in a bit of detail. http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmladvanced/forms.php http://www.accessify.com/tutorials/better-accessible-forms.asp Cheers, Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 Andrew Cheong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i.com cc: Subject: Re: [WSG] more usable forms [Virus checkedAU] 23/01/2004 02:13 PM Please respond to wsg I have never heard of the label tag. This article is quite useful. It is true - every detail matters once you get to a certain level of web development. I guess the label tag also mets conformance standards since the text that used to float around without a semantically defined purposenow can be inside the tag, which defines it to label the input element. - Original Message - From: Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sydney Web Standards Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [WSG] more usable forms Nice article on making forms a bit nicer. http://www.sitepoint.com/article/1273 Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] CSS Tables... [Virus checkedAU]
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Hi Chris,
I see that Russ has already answered my question, but I should add that
using this method you can have more than two things each side. Here's a
really simple example I did:
! Insert some doctype here...
html
head
titleI'm floating.../title
style type=text/css
p { clear: none; width: 20%; }
.left { float: left; }
.right { float: right; }
/style
/head
body
div
p class=leftLeft/p
p class=leftLeft/p
p class=rightRight/p
p class=rightRight/p
/div
/body
/html
Hope you find this useful...
Cheers,
Vik
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11:27 AM
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to wsg
I have always wanted to do this
I have never seen it possible without TABLES or Absolute positioning
It must be possible though.
What I want to do is, have 1 piece of text aligned LEFT, and on the same
line, another piece of text aligned RIGHT
Its a admin panel, where the line displays:
Title username (then on the very right is a link to LOGOUT)
But unless I use tables I cant do that
The reason why I am after this is because I want my whole website to be
absent of any tables.
www.neester.com/index2.php - that is the continuing method there is a
guestbook where you can leave comments if you like
I was hoping that CSS would allow you to have this sort of thing:
p style=align:left HEADING p style=align:right (if I close the p
tag it will create a new line, but it does this when you open a new p tag
anyway
is there anyway around this?
I have yet to try: span tags.
And the last resort would be using 2 divs
That is my last resort because, I have div class=contentdiv
class=admin then I would have 2 more nested divs
It would end up a hassle like tables end up a hassle
Any help anyone?
Thanks in advance!
Chris Stratford
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Re: [WSG] LI horizontal headaches - help sought [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Ben, The 1px borders disappearing are caused by the Mozilla rounding bug. See http://www.positioniseverything.net/round-error.html Not sure about a workaround though. If you find one, please let me know as one of my sites ( http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/ ) also suffers from this problem. Hope this helps a bit... Cheers, Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 Ben Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .aucc: Subject: [WSG] LI horizontal headaches - help sought [Virus checkedAU] 02/12/2003 02:39 PM Please respond to wsg Hi gurus, Feels like a Friday. I'm replicating a designer's page concept, and the primary navigation is really bugging me now. You can see my attempt so far, along with Browsercam results in various browsers at http://www.daemon.com.au/test12/css/navlist.htm I'm happy with the minimal mark-up and the font-size scalability, but: i) In Moz and Mac browsers, the UL background colour is only as high as the LI's font-size. ii) Sometimes the 1px right-border on a LI disappears. This is shown in the Moz images below, between Vixon and Rudolph. In Firebird I get different borders disappearing when resizing font size. Notes: The IE6 screenshot is what I'm after across all browsers. The button labels are meant to be bottom-right aligned. My attempt with DIVs had more issues cross-platform/browsers. Any other ideas? Thanks, Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Guideline/Best Practice for web development [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Ralph, I think this is the kind of thing the OWASP project ( http://www.owasp.org/ ) is doing. In particular, check out the OWASP Guide ( http://www.owasp.org/documentation/guide ). Hope this helps, Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 Ralph Mazzitelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .nsw.gov.au cc: Subject: [WSG] Guideline/Best Practice for web development [Virus checkedAU] 21/11/2003 10:22 AM Please respond to wsg Hi All.. I was wondering whether anyone has or knows of a good guideline/best practice when designing and developing web based applications. Eg, always HTML Encode and validate all user input and any other web based security issues.. Also, ways to test your applications eg for SQL Injection and Cross-site scripting.. Don't really mind what technology it is for.. whether CF/Java/ASP/PHP etc.. Ralph Mazzitelli This transmission is for the intended addresse only. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this E-Mail are the opinion of the author only and are not necessarily endorsed by the New South Wales Department of Corrective Services. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Image float and text wrap [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Miles, Are you floating that image to the left? If this is the case, you need to set a left margin on the text that's slightly wider than the image. Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 Miles Tillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group \(E-mail\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] onau.edu.aucc: Subject: [WSG] Image float and text wrap [Virus checkedAU] 13/11/2003 10:55 AM Please respond to wsg I want to have an image with text on the right, but when the text goes beyond the bottom of the image I don't want it wrap, but rather to keep the consistent margin: - | | | | | | | | | | Regards, Miles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Re: Image float and text wrap [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Miles, Try using something like Eric Meyer's absolutely positioned image trick: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html and http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html -- these use absolute positioning to take a span or an image out of the normal document flow and position it somewhere else. You could use this trick to move your image to the left of the content and the hover effect should still work. HTH, Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 Miles Tillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] onau.edu.aucc: Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: Image float and text wrap [Virus checkedAU] 13/11/2003 11:39 AM Please respond to wsg Thanks, that achieves the effect I'm after, but The reason I wanted to do it was because the image and the text both linked to the same URL with an a tag each (in separate cells of a table). I wanted to combine them so they were both wrapped in the one a tag, but when the a tag is wrapped around both div's clicking the image doesn't open the URL. So the solution defeats its own purpose :( Any ideas? -Original Message- From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Image float and text wrap Miles : Put your text in in a block set its margin-left to x pixels (.eg 170) should be wider than the image (.eg 160).. The margin will run from the left of the containing block. This will work for fixed width images. Cheers James Miles Tillinger wrote: Oops, my fingers slipped onto the send shortcut... so, as I was saying: - text text text | | text text text | | text text text | | text text text | image| text text text | | text text text | | text text text | | text text text - text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text Can this be achieved without using tables? Regards, Miles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards
Re: [WSG] css question and site test on Mac [Virus checkedAU]
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Hi Petra,
You'll need to apply a few pixel top margin on div.iconleft. You'll have to
work out how much, and the value depends on the difference between the
font-size and line-height of div.iconright -- placing a border around
div.iconright might help you find the solution easier.
HTH,
Vik
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Subject: [WSG] css question and site
test on Mac [Virus checkedAU]
28/10/2003
01:01 PM
Please respond
to wsg
Does anybody know if there is a solution to big font aligning at the top of
a box?
For an example see:
http://www.globetrekking.com/test-bigfont.asp
The questionmark is in a span (background grey). I would like to have it
aligned at the top, in line with the text on the right. (I tried
line-height and minus values for padding-top but with no success)
here is the css for the span:
div.iconleft span{
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
font-family: arial black; arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif;
font-size: 50px;
color: #ff;
vertical-align: top;
background-color: #ccc;
}
-
If anybody has a Mac I would appreciate if you could give
http://www.globetrekking.com a quick test - it is my first website
(redesign) using CSS for layout.
Thanks
Petra
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Re: [WSG] iTunes on Windows [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Sure a lot of work just for some trivia, It most certainly is. It's much easier to use a packet sniffer. A *good* packet sniffer that offers a breakdown of the raw packets can easily present the HTTP data and it can be really useful for debugging too. I use Ethereal ( http://www.ethereal.com/ ) which is open-source, cross-platform and generally nice. Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 Adam Carmichael To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: au Subject: Re: [WSG] iTunes on Windows [Virus checkedAU] 23/10/2003 06:33 AM Please respond to wsg I ask: What this HTML Render Engine? A soft of Apple using API from Windows (Like iRider, MyIE and Avantbrowser)? or... Apple launch a version of KHTML/Safari for Windows? Does it have an address bar? Here's an interesting hack: Change your local DNS resolver by opening c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts Change the hostname for URL that you think is being opened to 127.0.0.1 Start apache on localhost Write your own Javascript function / install php and run phpinfo() to return the user agent. Of course even that can be forged - but why bother? Sure a lot of work just for some trivia, but hey - use it for all sorts of things. Many of the anti-spam-popup-blockers that you pay for work this way when all you need is a list of domains like doubleclick.net to be placed into this file. (No spam / popup window will be able to get around this unless they access their parent site via IP address - this is because when windows resolves a hostname it first queries this file, then it goes externally). And seeing as we're all about webstandards (and this is more of a networking standard than a webstandard per se): the HOSTS file you see can be copied to a FreeBSD/UNIX system (BSD essentially wrote the first working TCP/IP stack) and the same trick should work. Microsoft did adopt one standard without altering it (to my knowledge) to work with their OS). To bring this back to your topic: iTunes will probably be on Safari as that is what has been pushed by Apple (are they still pushing it, or are they pushing Firebird now?). -- Adam Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW
[WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi all, I thought this might be interesting, not as much for the review itself, but rather the comments. There was a fair bit of discussion with some pretty good comments in there. And I'm sure we could sneak some posts in there with links to webstandardsgroup.org ;-) Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst Young. Except as required at law, Ernst Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
