Re: [WSG] First stab at html5

2010-01-02 Thread dwain
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:26 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
 wrote:


 Hi Dwain,

  The doctype for html5 is
  !DOCTYPE html

 and it is there. I can't see any missing /style tag here.  Look at the
 source code (obtained from the online version in FF3.5.6 'view source') :

 !DOCTYPE html

 ?? Over to you!

 i haven't looked at the html5 doc yet.  i'm used to different doctype.
 sorry for the intrusion.
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Re: [WSG] First stab at html5

2010-01-01 Thread dwain
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 AM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
 wrote:

 If any of you guys are around at this time, I'd be really grateful if you
 could have a look at:

 http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/altgam/gwelanmor.html

 snip

 (http://www.betasite.fsnet.co.uk/gam/flash/flashpage.html)

 snip

 All comments gratefully received.



it seems that you need to validate your pages.

the sheltie page:  the group of shelties disappear after a second.  when you
click on the galleries the pictures are partly visible. lots-o-errors.

flashpage:  is the swoosh noise necessary?  i find it annoying.  the type is
difficult to read over the pictures.  there is no doctype and you have a
closing style tag with no opening style tag.

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] First stab at html5

2010-01-01 Thread dwain
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.ukwrote:


 - Original Message - From: Chris F.A. Johnson 
 ch...@cfajohnson.com



 On Thu, 31 Dec 2009, designer wrote:

  @Chris - I've set a white background, so I hope your yellow one has gone
 now!


  It's still yellow.

 --
  Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com


  I really don't know why it's yellow to you. Anyone else see this?

 Bob


i see white.  could be a video card issue.
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Re: [WSG] First stab at html5

2010-01-01 Thread dwain
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 6:50 AM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.ukwrote:

 However, the Flash page - are you using an HTML5 validator?  It validates
 just fine.


you're right.  but there is no doctype and an end style tag with no starting
style tag.  does html5 do away with doctypes and validates without both
opening and closing tags?
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Re: [WSG] I.E Navigation help

2009-11-18 Thread dwain
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Jerome Carpen
enqu...@wombatmedia.com.auwrote:

 hey guys,



 Have got the following navigation to work in firefox, safari, chrome, opera
 and the such, but not IE.

 In IE, the links do not go inline but scale left to right in a step manner.



 Any ideas of what i'm missing?



 ==HTML

 try this.

 ul class=navlist

lia href=#Link1/a/li



 lia href=#Link2/a/li



 lia href=#Link3/a/li



 lia href=#Link4/a/li

 /ul


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[WSG] i need someone to modify a wordpress template

2009-11-16 Thread dwain
i need someone to modify a wordpress template to match my web site.
http://www.studiokdd.com/

please contact me off list at kdd at studiokdd(dot)com

thanks,
dwain alford

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Re: [WSG] Re: More than one H1?

2009-10-19 Thread dwain
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:32 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you include a second H1 on the page too? No?

 A bit arrogant question. Guess you think people who use h1 for logo don't
 know anything about semantic markup :)


tee,
thry this on for size.  from the w3c html elements about what an h1
reference is.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-H1

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Re: [WSG] hr / or CSS3 Border Background

2009-08-08 Thread dwain
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Bushidodeep field.ni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 After reading the following article, I ask which is more semantic, using
 the hr / element with a background or using the CSS3 border background
 property?

 C


 
 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/09/09/the-hr-contest-results-download-your-fresh-hr-line-now/
 




the way i see it, is if you are separating content, then use the hr/
element.  i ran across this question when updating my site and got positive
response for the hr/ because i was separating content from other portions
of the page.  consider your borders if someone surfs with css turned off.
in fact, consider your design gone with css turned off.

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Re: [WSG] Usability in Links

2009-07-19 Thread dwain
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Stuart Foulstone
stu...@bigeasyweb.co.ukwrote:

 The link color scheme seems OK from a color-blindness accessibility angle,
 see:


 http://vischeck.com/vischeck/vischeckURL.php?origUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.familyhomelessness.org%2FsimUrl=uploads%2F124800363616183sensorType=tritanope


using the color contrast analyzer from visionaustraila.org, the link color
scheme does not pass muster.  vischeck is still a work in progress and does
not check the color contrast of web pages.  it shows what an image will look
like to a person with a particular type of color-blindness; so, again, it
does not give the contrast for readability.  vischeck is for images, cca is
for determining the color contrast of web pages.

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Usability in Links

2009-07-18 Thread dwain
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Bushidodeep field.ni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Following is a link to the site in question.

 http://www.familyhomelessness.org/



the way the links are currently set when i hover over the blue link that is
next to an orange link things get a bit confusing when the two links meld in
color.

i also checked the color contrast on the links and they do not fair well for
visitors with color blindness.  you might want to talk with your client
about this issue, if you feel that it is important enough to address.

also, the pointers on the links on the left of the page made me think that a
fly-out menu was available.  not a critical issue, but could also cause some
confusion.

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[WSG] blocking out of office replies [OT?]

2009-05-15 Thread dwain
is there a way to block out of office replies from the list.  this has been
discussed before and it seems that the request has been ignored.

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Re: [WSG] SEO - how to upgrade my skills?

2009-05-11 Thread dwain
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote:

 So I’m asking for your advice…What’s the best way for me to update SEO
 skills?





here's a place to start and the classes are free to boot:
http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm

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Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article

2009-04-23 Thread dwain
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Nancy Johnson njohnso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you have a link to the information week story?

 Nancy


here's the link:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216600011

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[WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article

2009-04-22 Thread dwain
in the april 20th issue of informationweek there is an article about
standards.  the title of the article is standards matter - we all want
interoperability, but are you willing to take vendors to task for breaking
faith?.  it was a good industry-wide account of the standards problem.  web
designers got a paragraph and i thought i would share it with the list.

another high-profile standards failure is browser support for html and
cascading style sheets.  designers who don't know -- or don't care -- about
the implications of proprietary extensions to html spew out web sites that
work only in internet explorer for windows.

i hope that this article gains some serious thought in upper, middle and
lower management to insist on industry standards so that in our neck of the
woods, the web will become a nicer place to navigate.  we all know that
browser manufacturers are trying to keep up with the latest developments,
but it's the folks in the trenches, like us doing the work, that need the
guidance into a better more compliant internet experience.

just my $0.02.

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Re: [WSG] recommendation for wai validator again

2008-12-07 Thread dwain
 Anyone know other validator that does the job?

 thanks!

 tee


try this one.  http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download

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Re: [WSG] recommendation for wai validator again

2008-12-07 Thread dwain
 It's for PC. I need a Mac version though :)

sorry.  i either forgot or didn't know you worked on a mac.  then i'm
lost unless you go look on source forge.


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Re: [WSG] Best format for accessible equations

2008-09-21 Thread dwain
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Andrew Ivin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm wondering the best way of giving these graphics alt attributes -
 both for web browsers and screen readers.

don't forget to give a long description along with the alt info.

http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-provide-equivalents  see guideline #1,
check point 1.1

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Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys

2008-09-06 Thread dwain
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Gonzalo González Mora
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 On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dwain,
 You might find this article interesting:
 http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-too-much-accessibility-accesskeys/
 Make sure you read the comments, theres' some really good info there.

thanks gonzalo, i'll give it a read.
cheers,
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Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys

2008-09-06 Thread dwain
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://tjkdesign.com/articles/user_defined_accesskeys.asp

thanks thierry, i know this will be a good one.
cheers,
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Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys

2008-09-06 Thread dwain
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Before you add accesskeys, check out
 http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9

hoo hah, that's some pretty heavy stuff.  what an eye opener.  i guess
i've done about all i can do except for a skip nav to content link.
i've used all the accessibility tools at my disposal and i seem to be
in compliance.  i guess you can't cover all of the accessibility bases
for everybody, but you can be as accessible as you can be.

thanks for the great read.

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[WSG] paypal shopping cart and valid code

2008-09-06 Thread dwain
has anyone experienced invalid code with paypal's shopping cart?  if
you did have validation problems was it easy to fix and still get to
the cart?  i'm getting ready to implement it on my site and this has
me a bit concerned.

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[WSG] best practices for using access keys

2008-09-05 Thread dwain
i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some
feedback on using access keys.  i'm slowly bringing my web site up to
better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like
add a skip nav link and access keys.  any other articles and resources
would be appreciated for both subjects.

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] DocType Given is... Document Looks Like...

2008-09-04 Thread dwain
cole,
i get the same thing in the ff html validator.  copied and pasted the
w3c doc type into my document.  must be a bug or something.  as long
as your document validates through the online validator, i wouldn't
worry about it.  it's in the format the w3c recommends.
cheers,
dwain

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Cole Kuryakin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all –

 I've got the following doctype at the head of each of my pages:

 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;

 html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en

 I take great pains to validate everything I do on every page, but, even if
 the page shows as valid (using FF's HTML Validator extension – or Web
 Developer extension… I can't remember which) when I view source on a valid
 page, I always get an info box that states:

 Info: Doctype given is -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN

 Info: Document content looks like XHTML 1.0 Transitional

 I don't think that this is – by any means – any reason for me to be worried
 about my code/structure/et. al, but I've always wondered why, if I feed a
 xhtml 1.0 STRICT doc type why the validator always says that my stuff looks
 TRANSITIONAL?

 Am I doing something wrong?

 Any insight would be appreciated.

 Cole

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Re: [WSG] multiple background images

2008-08-30 Thread dwain
On 8/30/08, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think I'm narrowing down where my problem is.

  I have multiple background images.  The main one is the body tag and then I
 have div's with a different body tag.
  It appears there are issues with this within div's.  Any ideas on this

i've got multiple background images on my web site in the header.  one
floated left and one floated right and i have no problems with them.
maybe it's somewhere else?
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Re: [WSG] ibm's adesigner says....

2008-08-29 Thread dwain
On 8/29/08, Drew Trusz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a sense the longdesc is functionally the equivalent of the old d
  link. The specs define a longdesc as:

  This attribute specifies a link to a long description of the image.
  This description should supplement the short description provided
  using the alt attribute. When the image has an associated image map,
  this attribute should provide information about the image map's
  contents. This is particularly important for server-side image maps.
  Since an IMG element may be within the content of an A element, the
  user agent's mechanism in the user interface for accessing the
  longdesc resource of the former must be different than the mechanism
  for accessing the href resource of the latter.
  http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-longdesc-IMG

  Hence it appears not as text but as a link in the example found in the specs:
  IMG src=sitemap.gif
  alt=HP Labs Site Map
  longdesc=sitemap.html

  I suppose you could be very careful about the length of an alt
  description and try to fit the material in that.

thanks for your comment drew.  i have my long description formatted as
you have written above.  maybe it's time for ibm to update adesigner.
cheers,
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[WSG] ibm's adesigner says....

2008-08-28 Thread dwain
i've been working on the accessibility of a page.  i have added
longdesc inside the img tag with the page where the information is
found.  according to what i've read the d link is deprecated.

adesigner says that i need the d link in addition to the longdesc.
i feel that i can safely ignore the errors since the d link is
deprecated.

any thoughts on the matter?

here's the page:
http://www.studiokdd.com/pages/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html

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[WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?]

2008-08-04 Thread dwain
my cousin is visiting from oregon and he has the new att iphone.  we
looked at my web site on it and i must say that i was really
surprised.  it looked just like it does on a computer.

the xhtml and css validate.  i used no special css for mobile devices.
 i'm sure that i have a semantically correct document.  this was a big
surprise for me.  this was the first time i had seen my web site on a
cell phone.  it was very exciting.

i hope that other mobile devices follow suit of the new iphone so
coding for developers will be simple, quick and easy and no multiple
style sheets for computers and mobile devices.

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Re: [WSG] what you write is what you see [OT?]

2008-08-04 Thread dwain
On 8/4/08, kate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dwain said:  it looked just like it does on a computer.

  What did you expect Dwain..lolol

i really didn't know what to expect, that's why it was such a
surprise.  i don't know, maybe i expected the css not to work and the
page would display would display as xhtml without the css.  like i
said, i had never seen my web site or any other web site on a mobile
device.
dwain

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Re: [WSG] hoot of the day - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2008-07-09 Thread dwain
sorry, i thought it went somewhere else.  my humblest apologies.
dwain

On 7/8/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

  Please refrain from these type of posts to the list as they are DEFINITELY
  non-Web Standards related.

  If unclear, please read the guidelines:
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  If you have an issue with this, please do not discuss it on the list - email
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[WSG] hoot of the day

2008-07-08 Thread dwain
a long time a go a friend of mine told me this and i thought i would
share it with you.

you can always spot an evangelist.

he thinks that juh-hee-zus is a three syllable word.

have a nice day!

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Re: [WSG] web optimization

2008-07-07 Thread dwain
why not take this free class and learn more about web optimization.  i
did and it served me well.

http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm

cheers,
dwain

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Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image

2008-06-30 Thread dwain
it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed.  i
read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make
it fit infinite screen resolutions.

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it?
 does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything
 at different sizes?
 ?
 On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote:

 On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,



 Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the
 current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this
 can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript?

 there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the
 process.  i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to
 scale to a screen's resolution.  but anyway, svg is the wave of the future
 for web images.
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Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image

2008-06-30 Thread dwain
this is true.

On 6/30/08, Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 SVG is not really suitable for photos though.

 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  it seems that it used to, but the browser rendering has changed.  i
  read, not too closely, in the svg specs how to edit the files to make
  it fit infinite screen resolutions.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it?
   does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything
   at different sizes?
   ?
   On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote:
  
   On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
  
  
   Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to
 the
   current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears
 this
   can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some
 JavaScript?
  
   there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the
   process.  i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to
   scale to a screen's resolution.  but anyway, svg is the wave of the
 future
   for web images.
   cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Scaling a background image

2008-06-29 Thread dwain
On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,



 Has anyone been able to successfully scale a CSS background image to the
 current window size? I've done some research via Google and it appears this
 can't be done purely with CSS (at least not yet), maybe some JavaScript?

there is a way to do it by using svg images, but i'm unclear on the
process.  i think that the svg files has to be edited for the images to
scale to a screen's resolution.  but anyway, svg is the wave of the future
for web images.
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Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?

2008-06-25 Thread dwain
hi lynette,
check out http://www.studiokdd.com/  the site still isn't finished
under the hood, because i still need to add long descriptions.  maybe
your client could see that content with keywords can be tastefully
done without clutter.  remember, it's all about design!
cheers,
dwain

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  I am about to start a site  that is going to be basically several image
 gallery site pages.  My client is an artist.  I asked for some text for the
 site but she doesn't want clutter.

  She asked: how does it work with key words I realise i have not included
 many.  are they necessary these days and if so can they be incorporated to
 suit search engines without visually disturbing the presentation. She
 basically wants the website to look the same as  the Power Point
 Presentation which is what I am working from.

  The problem is that what text there is - site title  and subtitle,
 navigation menu names and individual  painting titles-  is in a very obscure
 font Andy that seems to be obsolete.  A quick search of the web revealed
 it was used in several programmes late 80's/early 90's  and doesn't seem to
 be available as a free download.  I asked if I could change the font but
 apparently all her printed matter is in this particular font so she wants to
 use it on the website.  I can use image replacement for the title but I
 would really like to use a standard font for the rest.

  I suppose  I will have to rely on ALT text. Is there anything else I should
 consider?  Thanks.

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Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-23 Thread dwain
On 6/23/08, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Designer
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 From all the replies I have read through and from all the articles I have
 read up on, this is probably the best solution I came across.

 I would wrap the whole poem within a div, then each of the verses in a
 paragraph and the lines created using br /.

 Anyone against this method? and why?

i agree, put the poem in a div, place the poem inside a p, use br
/ (br for html4) at the end of each line and a double br /
between stanzas (unless you are writing a very long poem, then i'd
go for p at every stanza).

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Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-27 Thread dwain
On 5/27/08, Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Tom Livingston provided the following information on 28/05/2008 3:26 AM:

  Can anyone give me a clear example/explanation of the difference
  between the alt attribute and the title attribute? How about a real
  'attributes for dummies' reference?? The difference seems very slight
  to me...
 
 

  Hi Tom,

  I may be wrong here but I've always worked on the premise that alt is
 alternative text for when the image isn't available (For whatever reason)
 and the title is the title of the image.  An example would be alt=Customer
 Care Logo title=We Care about you


if the image takes you to another part of the web site or another
place on the web, the title attribute would describe where you are
going.
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Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-27 Thread dwain
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 The alt attribute should always be included in order to be standards
 compliant,

and accessible

 the title is optional.

some accessibility software i use says it's a good idea to use a title
for accessibility reasons.  the software is adesigner by ibm.

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Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-27 Thread dwain
accessibility validators will let you know if you missed an alt
attribute and will suggest adding titles where there are either
sketchy titles or no titles at all.

dwain

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 hmm... is accessibility not a feature of standards compliance? I'm
 forgetting whether the W3C HTML validator will reject img elements without
 the alt attribute, or if it's just the accessibility validators that do so.

 Jason


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   The alt attribute should always be included in order to be standards
   compliant,
 
  and accessible
 
   the title is optional.
 
  some accessibility software i use says it's a good idea to use a title
  for accessibility reasons.  the software is adesigner by ibm.
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and Joomla

2008-05-22 Thread dwain
On 5/22/08, Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm just starting to (try to!) learn Joomla as I'm going to have to use it
 on a few upcoming sites. Having looked at the html output as I work through
 some of the tutorials, I'm wondering how accessible sites created in Joomla
 are, and if anyone has any experience/knowledge of good sites to help in
 this area ... ?

i saw a joomla site last night that had considerable accessibility
issues with it.  it didn't even pass the wai module in ff web dev tool
bar.
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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread dwain
where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet?
dwain

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  and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the
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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-13 Thread dwain
thanks for the info.
cheers,
dwain

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  where is it and is it incorporated into firefox yet?
  dwain
 
  On 5/12/08, Dean Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote:
  
  
  
and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the
w3c css validator.
   
   
  
   Not if you use the CSS level 3 validator ;)
  
 
 

  It's at:

 http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/#validate_by_uri+with_options

  Under profile, select CSS 3

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Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread dwain
and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the
w3c css validator.
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[WSG] oops! OT post that shouldn't have gone to the list

2008-05-05 Thread dwain
well, i miss fired again.  sent something to the list that was meant to go
somewhere else.  my sincerest apologies.

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-04 Thread dwain
this works for all images without adding a style to each image.

img {border:none;}
img:hover {border-bottom:1px solid #f00;padding-bottom:1px;}

dwain

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  which is what usually happens when you go
  against the natural order of things
 

 That is an unnecessarily pedantic comment. I already said I solved my
 design anomaly by applying a class to the image anchor. I simply asked if
 there was a universal rule I hadn't thought of that would be more elegant.
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Re: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-02 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com 
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  it should be:
  
   a img {
  
   }
  
  to underline an image the css is: a img {border-bottom:xpx solid
#xx;}  i have found that the border is always blue though no matter what
color value you assign, unless i'm missing something here.
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Re: [WSG] Image links

2008-05-02 Thread dwain
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  Or like this:
 img {
  margin: 3px;
  padding: 3px;
  border: 2px solid #BAB089;
  background-color: #D1C9AA;
 }
 The above  CSS is in reply to always being blue. Well no not if you state
 what you want for the border color in your CSS.


yeah, i went back and saw my problem.  it seems the color i thought was red
was really blue.  had my hex figures backwards.

with your example you have a border around the image.  i thought that the
original poster wanted an underline.  with a 3px bottom padding stated you
get the underline.
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Re: [WSG]

2008-04-22 Thread dwain
here's another tool for you.

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download

hth,
dwain

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 Hi Anat,

 there is no tool that fully automates the process - too many issues need
 manual inspection.

 However, for what can be automated and what needs to be reported back to
 a human reviewer we found TAW a good (and free) option.

 http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en (see right hand side for download).


 Cheers,

 Jens

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Re: [WSG] Website Accessability Tools

2008-04-16 Thread dwain
marvin,
here are some tools i use for accessibility and link checking.

http://www.tawdis.net  -- there is an offline accessibility checker here

http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,6974-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html
-- online and offline link checker xenu sleuth

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download  -- offline or online
accessibility checker

i have seen an offline html validator, but i can't remember where it is.

hth,
dwain

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 does any one know of any good accessible off line software
 accessability tools, for checking broken links, that the right colour
 is for the element on the page, like on my site, for the headings, you
 have a red colour,a nd a good offline vallidator, if not connected to
 the internet.
 if any one can help, let me know and e-mail me privately off list.
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Re: [WSG] Review Accessability Of My Site

2008-04-06 Thread dwain
On 4/6/08, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi.
 could some one take a look at my site and give me feedback, if you can
 read the text, blind and vision impaired users, if they can read the
 text, etc.
 and what other accessability features, i may need to put in, or
 general comments or feedback.
 cheers Marvin.


marvin,
check out these helpful tools they will help you answer some of your
questions:

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner/download

http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en ~ there's a free standalone program you
can download here.

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Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....

2008-04-02 Thread dwain
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 ???

 this is what your visitor would see in the title bar of the browser or
nothing if you left it blank.  using keywords in your title helps with seo.
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Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-27 Thread dwain
thanks for the heads up on ie6.  i added the width to the rule.  thanks for
the article as well.  i read it and still don't know any more than i did
before i read it.  maybe because i'm tired.  i bookmarked it for later
perusal.

makes me wonder when ms will get it right in their browsers.  maybe they
just like messing with designers and developers.  kind of makes ballmer's
remarks of his love for web developers sound hollow.

anyway, thanks for the tip.  i went back into the netscape css and got rid
of some stuff after a few more chapters in zeldman's book.

i am trying to do the same thing with my art site, but i'm hitting a brick
wall with font sizes in nn4.  i was looking at the redesign of the index
page in nn4 and the font seems to get larger as i scroll down the page.
i've put it away for now, but i may give another try at a later date.  btw,
does nn4 like ems, percentages or pixels for font sizes?

cheers,
dwain

On 3/27/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  thanks thierry for your response.  there was no width set on the nav div
 and that was the culprit.
  after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was brain dead.  let me
 know when you will be in alabama

 Hi Dwain,

 It does not need a width, it needs hasLayout [1].
 If it works with a width it is because width is one of the properties
 that triggers hasLayout in IE.
 zoom does this, but also position:absolute, display:inline-block, height,
 float and a few others.

 In any case, keep width if you see that it works the way you want.

 As a side note, if you want to fix the display issue in IE 6 (your images
 ), you'll need to insert the following:

 #adgpix {width: 242px;}

 imho, it is a good habit to always set a width on floats. I believe it
 used to be in the specs and I guess old browsers know that ;)


 [1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html


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Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-27 Thread dwain
On 3/27/08, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 is it on this page?
 http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/

  yes
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Re: [WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-27 Thread dwain
On 3/27/08, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:07 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink
  wrap their contents while others don't.  any takers?
 

 Block level elements such as DIV will be 100% of the width of their parent
 container, unless they are floated - in which case they can either have an
 explicit width set via CSS, or they will shrinkwrap their contents.


i had no width set on the nav ul or the nav div and they both went to 100%.
the div didn't shrink wrap the div and ul.
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Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread dwain
thanks kepler for the reply.  i just figured it out.  i added a width of 30%
to the nav rule and ie7 played right.  sometimes things just go over my head
and i have to look at the outlined divs in firefox to figure things like
this out.  i was seeing a blue line for a dive that went all the way across
the page.  then i remembered that i had a nav div.  when i checked the rule
there was no width, therefore it was defaulting at 100%.  cutting the width
percentage fixed the problem.

dwain

On 3/26/08, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   i thought i had fixed this problem.  i guess i didn't.



 Hi Dwain,



 Try adding float: left to your nav definition:



 #nav {

 FLOAT: left; FONT-SIZE: 90%; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 8.5em; COLOR:
 #039; TEXT-ALIGN: left

 }



 Best regards,

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Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread dwain
thanks thierry for your response.  there was no width set on the nav div and
that was the culprit.  after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was
brain dead.  let me know when you will be in alabama and we'll roll out the
red carpet southern style when you get here.
dwain

On 3/26/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of dwain
  Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:49 PM
  To: web standards group
  Subject: [WSG] floats and ie7

 
  i thought i had fixed this problem.  i guess i didn't.
 

  http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/
 
  in ff, opera, safari 3.1 and seamonkey the page looks the way i
 intended.  i have an address and menu on the left and two pictures floated
  right.  in the source code the pix follow the address so on the page
 they are even with the bottom of the address line on the right side of the
  page.  the pix are in their own shrink-wrapped div.  in ie7 the pix
 split the address and menu.  i've looked at the css until it all runs
  together.  what am i missing?  and ms said that ie7 was more standards
 compliant, fooey!


 Hi Dwain,

 The easy fix:
 #nav {zoom:1;}

 But that won't validate (and I know you want the styles sheet to
 validate), so you may want to hide it inside a Conditional Comment or try
 any other property that will trigger hasLayout in IE.

 For example float will work too:

 #nav {float:left;display:inline;}

 display:inline is to prevent IE to double the left margin


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[WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-26 Thread dwain
after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink wrap
their contents while others don't.  any takers?

dwain

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[WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
i have a style sheet for a site that i would like to serve a netscape 4
style sheet, but i don't know how to do it.  would someone offer advise as
to how to do this.  some sample code would be a nice touch.
dwain

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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
thanks russ, i'll give this a try.
dwain

On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Dwain,

 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will
 have
 to be quite simple.


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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Dwain,

 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will
 have
 to be quite simple.


when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks.  i
expected this.  nn4 sees the background png and the background images as
well even though the rest of the design breaks.

i placed netscape.css first and adg-styles.css second in meta order.  i
would expect that the same styles in both sheets would make nn4 go ga-ga,
but i get no styles at all in nn4.  i placed the same styles from the
default sheet in the netscape style sheet to work on getting nn4 to at
least accept margins, but no, nothing, nada.  now i'm really puzzled.  i'm
going to work this out.  any ideas why nn4 shows no styles, when fed the
same style sheet that breaks it on the web, locally?
dwain


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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Dwain,

 Are you at liberty to elaborate on the reasons for wanting to support NN4?

 Thanks!


 Matijs


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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dwain,

 Hard to tell what is going on... Can you put a simplified version online
 for
 us to see? Easier for people to help then  :)


http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/affordable-custom-web-site-design.html

http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/sandbox/css/netscape.css

here's the page and css.

thanks,
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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 dwain wrote:
  been reading zeldman's book on designing with standards.


 The latest version of NN4 came out in 1998. Zeldman's book came out in
 first edition in 2003, and at that time there may have still been some
 NN4 users out there. Nowadays, NN4 is irrelevant, unless you know for
 sure (from your website's stats) that a sizeable part of your audience
 is using this dinosaur of web browsers...


i'm reading the 2nd edition from 2006.  he made a comment about how some
organizations are still using nn4 because of their apps are geared toward
nn4.  i thought i would try my hand at making sites nn4 friendly.

i do appreciate your comments though.  like i said, just experimenting.
i've been learning much about standards and document structure and
semantics, etc, from my reading and this list.

i think i'm getting the hang of all this.  i've been designing sites since
2000 when i was using go live 5 and tables.  things have really changed
since then.  i converted my art site to html and css in 2004 and i'm still
not through with the accessibility part of it.  i've got a lot of writing to
do describing art work.

cheers,
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Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

2008-03-23 Thread dwain
On 3/23/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
  Subject: Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

 I agree. imho, if an author has time/budget/knowledge to support NN4, then
 why not?

 Dwain,
 If you target only NN4 and no other old browsers, then you could use
 JavaScript to sniff for DOM support and plug a LINK element.
 For example, you could use something like this:

 if (!document.getElementById) document.write('link rel=stylesheet
 type=text/css href=/css/v4.css /');

 Then you use the media hack (as Russ suggested) or @import to prevent
 NN4 from reading your other sheets (for modern browsers).

 Note that NN4 does not apply styles without JS support, so using JS to
 plug the styles sheet is OK in this case.

 On the other hand, I wonder how many NN4 users browse the Web with JS on
 as there are so many scripts out there that are not old browsers
 friendly...


thanks thierry, now i just might be able to pull this off.  i went to your
site using nn4 and it looked good, that's what i want for myself and my
clients.  i'm glad you replied.
cheers,
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[WSG] my apologies

2008-03-20 Thread dwain
i apologize to the group for the telecommunications post.  i thought that i
saw my congressional senator's address in the to: space.
humbly apologetic,
dwain

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Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread dwain
On 3/17/08, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hi,
 Im doing a site for a nightclub.  So im doing a hybrid.
 The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously.
 What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music
 track?


i would suggest allowing the user to stop the music if they so choose.  not
everybody likes the same music or song, so he could lose many visitors
because of the continuous track with no way to stop it.  on the other hand a
visitor could mute the sound.
dwain

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Re: [WSG] Opera 9.26 Problem

2008-03-13 Thread dwain
looks ok to me.  i'm running the same build and platform.  must be something
on their end.
dwain

On 3/13/08, Web Dandy Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,



 We recently built a site for a client and tested across various browsers 
 including Opera 9.26. The site layout looks fine on our machines and we have 
 looked at the site on PC and MAC. However the client's French distributor 
 says that the site doesn't look right when they are using Opera v9.26, 
 revision 8835, Win32, Windows XP.



 Has anyone ever come across this problem before?



 The site is: www.charis.uk.com.



 Kind regards,



 Elaine



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Re: [WSG] WCAG 2 implementation site

2008-03-11 Thread dwain
nice job!  has the feel of web 2.0.
dwain

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 I don't recall who had asked for the link, but I have finally launched the
 WCAG 2 implementation site that was mentioned. Info about it as well as a
 link to the site can be found here: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=221.

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Re: [WSG] RE: Sitemap and accessibility

2008-03-09 Thread dwain
It is my understanding, though, that an XML site map can help indexing
 but being that I've never used one or looked into it much, I can neither
 confirm or deny this.


google will review and index pages in a matter of hours when you submit an
xml site map.  you put it in your site's root folder and point google at it
and you're finished.

here's where to get one:

http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/

dwain


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Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread dwain
On 3/5/08, Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search
 engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!!


i see what you mean now.

While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it
 doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make
 it number 1 for a canned fee.  Anyone that tells you that is not to be
 trusted.


and probably doesn't really know what they are doing.

you mentioned making seo more dynamic on a large site.  what do you mean by
dynamic?

let's take this off list, i think we are straying from the web standards
theme, but you have me interested in this dynamic thing.

dwain



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Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-05 Thread dwain
On 3/4/08, Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of
 your site's problems for 1 set fee.


why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself.  there's a free class
at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm

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Re: [WSG] multiple css style sheets

2008-03-01 Thread dwain
On 3/1/08, Melissa Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 aaah no, there is nothing invalid about more than one stylesheet
 link tag in the markup


do you have a link for your side?
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Re: [WSG] multiple css style sheets

2008-03-01 Thread dwain
On 3/1/08, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:47 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  do you have a link for your side?
 

 validator.w3.org?


what about the w3c specs?
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Re: [WSG] Site review

2008-02-25 Thread dwain
On 2/25/08, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Of course accessibility is important, and this is where your insights and
 criticisms can be especially helpful.


here's a tool to check web site accessibility:
http://www.tawdis.net/taw3/cms/en

it suggests guidelines.

dwain


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Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-24 Thread dwain
excellent and right on!
dwain

On 2/24/08, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Accessibility, though in a sense is trivially easy once you know it
 
   That would not even be true if it was possible to 'know it', which it
 isn't.
   Accessibility isn't just a bunch of facts that you have to learn, and
 it's
   not just about compliance with the WCAG checkpoints. That's a good
 starting
   point but it only tells you if a website *should* be accessible.
 
   To assess whether a website *actually is* accessible you need to
 understand
   how people will perceive and interact with the content. That requires
   understanding of user agents, hardware platforms, assistive
 technologies and
   all kinds of disabilities. It also requires the ability to balance the
   conflicting needs of different stakeholders. It requires us to keep
 learning
   and reassessing our viewpoints as all these factors change and new
   technologies and design techniques emerge.
 
   Maybe it is trivial when you know all that, but I don't think any of us
 know
   enough to start thinking that way.
 
   Steve


 Here, I used the phrase in a sense perhaps, to try to capture more
 meaning than it was capable of holding. There are, as you have pointed
 out two ways of knowing accessibility. You can know how to build
 your site such that it should be accessable according to the
 standards which assume that all user agents are following the
 standards.

 Then also there's the more difficult and expensive kind of
 accessability where you actually test whether your target users can
 really use the site or not in reality rather than just the theoretical
 scenario that the standards describe.

 When I said in a sense I meant the first kind. The kind that is
 trivially easy once you know all the techniques and standards. It is
 particularly easy in comparison to the second kind. The first kind is
 still seen as difficult and costly to many developers who may not even
 be aware of the second kind. Nevertheless, accessibility of the
 first kind is worth doing, and is trivially easy once you know how to
 do it.

   Accessibility of the second kind is also worth doing. But in a world
 where many developer cultures have not even come to grips with
 accessibility of the first kind, accessibility of the second kind is a
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[WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-23 Thread dwain
after politely being told to shut up, and offering a meek reply, i'd like to
take the opportunity to complete the thought.

if the shoe fits, wear it.

if accessibility isn't cracked up to what it's supposed to be, then why are
there laws about the subject?

what's the point of being a member of a group that is diligently trying to
bring standardization to the web, when some of it's members have the kind of
attitude mentioned above?

i have learned a lot from this group and i appreciate the effort being given
by those members of the group and the information shared.

the reason i commented on accessibility is that if the site was not
accessible, then will the data generated by the generator be accessible to
all?  if the data that it generates is not accessible to all, then what good
is it?  seems to me that it undermines the purpose of this group just like
the comment of the poster.

sure, we are all trying to improve the web in this group; we are all trying
ways to make the web more interactive, but at what price?

ok, i've had my say.

i'm more of a designer than a developer.  my knowledge of javascript is
limited.  i am currently reading: javascript, the definitive guide by david
flanagan.  help me out here please, if i'm off base or need more
information.

i understand that javascript is a programming language.

i understand that javascript is needed to pass information from a form to a
data base for storage or retrieval of data.

i also understand there are more uses for javascript than my above remark,
but, again, my limited understanding of javascript draws a blank for other
uses.

i don't understand why someone would code a page and use javascript that
would make the page not available without it.

would someone like to point me to some references on how to use javascript
in a standards compliant way and have a go at the above question?

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Re: [WSG] data generator

2008-02-22 Thread dwain
it's not very accessible with js turned off.
dwain

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 http://www.generatedata.com

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Re: [WSG] data generator

2008-02-22 Thread dwain
target had something that just works and look what happened to them.  wonder
how they feel about accessibility now?  although it's not the end all and be
all of web design and development, if you are wanting standards compliance
then shouldn't go just part of the way, like microsoft does, to be standards
compliant, that means being accessible to all.  we do have laws about that
now, even for the web.  let's go to target.
dwain

On 2/22/08, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeah - our development team will definitely be using this.

 Sometimes accessibility is not all it is cracked up to be.  Sometime you
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  i think very good resource. thanks!
 
  2008/2/23, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   This is pretty cool tool to generate volume of any kind of data (it
   even
   includes SQL options)
   http://www.generatedata.com
  
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Re: [WSG] data generator

2008-02-22 Thread dwain
my misunderstanding.
dwain

On 2/23/08, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wasn't talking to you dwain.


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:39 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  target had something that just works and look what happened to them.
  wonder how they feel about accessibility now?  although it's not the end all
  and be all of web design and development, if you are wanting standards
  compliance then shouldn't go just part of the way, like microsoft does, to
  be standards compliant, that means being accessible to all.  we do have laws
  about that now, even for the web.  let's go to target.
  dwain
 
  On 2/22/08, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Yeah - our development team will definitely be using this.
  
   Sometimes accessibility is not all it is cracked up to be.  Sometime
   you just need something that works.
  
  
  
  
   On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]@R KULEKCİ 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
i think very good resource. thanks!
   
2008/2/23, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
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 http://www.generatedata.com

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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

2008-02-20 Thread dwain
if the pages with your picture on them aren't images, then your links at the
bottom of the pages don't work.  resend the link and let me have another
look, please.
dwain

On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 images?

 On Feb 20, 2008 12:51 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dwain,
   
The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having
difficulty with the image text.
  
  
  you're absolutely correct.  i didn't realize at first they were images.
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

2008-02-20 Thread dwain
the images are what fooled me at first.  the state representative pages are
images.  all of the work you show on the page are images.  that's why the
text wouldn't size for me.

i must agree with david that the font size could stand to be larger and a
bit more contrast between the text color and the background color.

dwain

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 http://www.laertjansen.com/site2

 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  if the pages with your picture on them aren't images, then your links at
  the bottom of the pages don't work.  resend the link and let me have another
  look, please.
  dwain
 
  On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   images?
  
   On Feb 20, 2008 12:51 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Dwain,
 
  The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having
  difficulty with the image text.


you're absolutely correct.  i didn't realize at first they were
images.
dwain
   
   
   
   
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

2008-02-20 Thread dwain
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 I don´t understand why is the text frozen in IE and not in FF

 you are using px for your font size.  try using em or %.
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

2008-02-19 Thread dwain
 On Feb 19, 2008 4:40 PM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  PS /Landing/ on a page with mousetype an 116dpi laptop ain't no picnic
  for those of us without your Superman vision. Then having it frozen in
  IE, only adds insult to injury.


the main text on the pages are frozen in firefox as well.  can't make the
type any larger so i can read it, even with my glasses.
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

2008-02-19 Thread dwain
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  Dwain,
 
  The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having
  difficulty with the image text.


you're absolutely correct.  i didn't realize at first they were images.
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Re: [WSG] books

2008-02-18 Thread dwain
On 2/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Anybody can suggest me some good books or other resources for

 · Webstandards

 ·  css technics


css the definitive guide third edition by eric meyer

·  Ui design and development

 ·  javascript (especially for UI purpose)


javascript the definitive guide fifth edition by david flanagan

I prefer   books…



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Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }

2008-02-17 Thread dwain
ie does not recognize the *.
dwain

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 Gday all,

 This morning I was creatively thinking different things and playing
 around (as you do).

 I was wondering what would happen if I did a mass reset using the
 asterisk to make everything inline to begin with?

 So in the header of my document, I included

 style type=text/css
 * {
 display: inline;
 }
 /style

 Now I know that external style sheets are much smarter, I just wanted to
 have a quick play and test.

 For some inexplicable reason, the content of the style element then
 appears in the browser, Firefox 2, Firefox 3 beta, Safari 3 beta, Opera
 9.1 (not IE7).

 Is that supposed to happen? And if so, why? I am honestly stumped on
 this one.

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Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents

2008-02-16 Thread dwain
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 Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the
 documents in a tabular format when required.
 Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the
 PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the
 Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document

 i also put the size of the document next to the link.  this way the
visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a
pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the
visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to
download, view or by pass the document.
dwain

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Re: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS

2008-02-10 Thread dwain
On 2/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hello,

 I have a site here that I've been trying to add some pictures to.  I have
 IE7 and Firefox and it looks good but my client is seeing things different
 with her IE.  The pictures at the bottom, 6 of them should be lined up all
 in a row but are not.  I put the code I am using inside the page and in
 this email.

 Can someone take a look and let me know if they can see what is going on
 here.

 Thanks.tg

 Here is the link:

 http://www.rejuvenatespas.com/test.html



 *///
 ///

 style type=text/css

 .gallerycontainer{
 position: absolute;
 /*Add a height attribute and set to largest image's height to prevent
 overlaying*/
 left: 430px; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Here's your culprit, one of them
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
i see your point.

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 On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote:

 i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.


 I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is
 aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link labelled d
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Re: [WSG] Good News and longdesc info

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
congratulations frank!!  i know that you are just who they were looking for
and that your work for them will be superb.
looking forward to the longdesc implementation that you have written.
dwain

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 Hi folks,

 After almost two months of phone interviews and written tests, late
 yesterday I received an offer from Opera, Oslo for the Technical Writer
 position they had open. I'm still in shock. Some of you know I've been
 trying to get out of here for a while, and finally the work has paid off.
 This tech writer position requires hands-on knowledge and use of (X)HTML,
 CSS, and DOM/JavaScript by the author. This suits me perfect, seeing that
 all my work is done in IDE editors for those languages. Now all I have to do
 is live up to their standards, and I'll be ok. It's truly a privilege to be
 joining the Opera Team.

 Dwain, as part of the written exams for Opera, I was asked to devise a
 solution similar to the longdesc attribute problem you describe. I did, but
 unfortunately I'm still under an NDA regarding the Opera job application
 process. When I receive notification that I can publish this solution from
 them, I'll make sure to let you and the list know immediately. Also, I'll
 submit it to Chris Mills, editor of dev.opera.com to see if he thinks if
 fit for publication to that site.

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image.  i will
be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the
longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the
picture.

i see your point though.  i'll give it a try and put the page back up for
more comments.
dwain

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  On Behalf Of dwain
 
 
  here's the link to the example:
 http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
 
  i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the
 text link to the larger pic.
 
  any feedback would be appreciated.

 Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people
 expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version.
 I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but
 moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users).
 I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the
 longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document.

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
thierry, i do belive that this is more intuitive.  thanks for your input.  i
think that text saying that the text link leads to a longdesc of the work.
how does that sound to the group.  should work well in a screen reader too.

as for the scripting, i have no clue how to do it.  my education has not
gone that far yet.  it is a major draw back to being just a designer and not
a developer.  there is still much i need to learn (js, php, mysql), but $$$
is the hold up at the moment.  books help, but some instruction would be
most valuable.
dwain

On 2/2/08, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image.  i will
 be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the
 longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the
 picture.

 i see your point though.  i'll give it a try and put the page back up for
 more comments.
 dwain

 On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Behalf Of dwain
  
  
   here's the link to the example:
  http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
  
   i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the
  text link to the larger pic.
  
   any feedback would be appreciated.
 
  Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people
  expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version.
  I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but
  moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users).
  I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the
  longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document.
 
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
excellent suggestion!!  i have other plans for the page with the larger
image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is
superb.  i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically
correct these days, available for accessibility.
dwain

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 dwain wrote:
  you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image.  i
  will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you
  to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version
  of the picture.

 I'd posit that sighted users, when coming across a page of thumbnails,
 will still expect the thumbs to take them to the larger view, regardless
 of any text you put in anywhere else on the page.

 If I had to add long description, I'd include it on the actual page that
 shows the larger version of the painting - either as part of the text on
 the right itself, or as a clearly marked link underneath the large image
 (text description of this painting or similar).

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the
work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually
challenged individuals.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  excellent suggestion!!  i have other plans for the page with the larger
 image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is
  superb.  i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
 description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically
  correct these days, available for accessibility.

 If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in
 visual browsers?
 imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages,
 I believe most users won't understand their purpose.
 Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in
 the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example
 by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc).
 If it is the latter, then the description is for all users.

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-02 Thread dwain
thanks to all of you who have commented on this concern of mine.  i really
appreciate the feed back.  time to lurk again.
cheers,
dwain

On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention
 about clicking on the artwork to read an in-depth description.

 dwain wrote:
  i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind
  the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and
  visually challenged individuals.
  dwain
 
  On 2/2/08, *Thierry Koblentz* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Behalf Of dwain
  
   excellent suggestion!!  i have other plans for the page with the
  larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text
  suggestion is
   superb.  i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there
  was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is
  politically
   correct these days, available for accessibility.
 
  If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding
  them in visual browsers?
  imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description
  pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose.
  Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For
  example, in the case these images are not only described, but
  *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work,
  symbolic, etc).
  If it is the latter, then the description is for all users.
 
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[WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-01 Thread dwain
i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how
to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long descriptions on
separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i am planning on
placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category
page.  could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to
the proper implementation of the longdesc element?  maybe someone would
provide a standards compliant example?

tia,
dwain

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-01 Thread dwain
thanks christian.  i did a google search and found what i was looking for.
i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.  don't know how i'm going
to do this, so i've got some testing to do to see how this is going to play
out.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Longdesc is actually an attribute. It's most commonly used with the img
 element, though it works for several other multimedia-related options.

 Basically, you just add the attribute to your img tag, and then the
 value of the longdesc attribute is the path to the longdesc file.

 Here is something I found about longdesc:
 http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam3-0.htm

 And here it is in the objects, images, and applets section of the W3C
 specification:
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-longdesc-IMG

 Hope that helps.

 dwain wrote:
  i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of
  how to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long
  descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i
  am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work
  on the main category page.  could someone point me in the direction
  to any other references as to the proper implementation of the
  longdesc element?  maybe someone would provide a standards compliant
  example?
 
  tia,
  dwain
 
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-01 Thread dwain
thanks elizabeth.  the article was helpful.  here's my situation.  the image
that i am using is a link to the longdesc.  the title text under the image
links to a larger version of the image.  now let's ask the standards
compliant question.

with text in the content specifying the difference between clicking the
image and where it goes and clicking the text and where it goes, would that
be standards acceptable?  as i read the code, i don't see a problem with
screen readers, which is the target audience for this technique.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dwain

 See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at
 http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html


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 Web editing

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 i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how
 to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long descriptions on
 separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i am planning on
 placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main
 category
 page.  could someone point me in the direction to any other references as
 to
 the proper implementation of the longdesc element?  maybe someone would
 provide a standards compliant example?

 tia,
 dwain

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-01 Thread dwain
here's the link to the example:
http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html

i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text
link to the larger pic.

any feedback would be appreciated.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dwain

 See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at
 http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html


 Elizabeth Spiegel
 Web editing

 0409 986 158
 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001
 www.spiegelweb.com.au


 

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 Behalf Of dwain
 Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 4:33 PM
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 Subject: [WSG] long description and its implementation


 i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how
 to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long descriptions on
 separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i am planning on
 placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main
 category
 page.  could someone point me in the direction to any other references as
 to
 the proper implementation of the longdesc element?  maybe someone would
 provide a standards compliant example?

 tia,
 dwain

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Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8

2008-01-24 Thread dwain
code for standards compliant browsers and let ie fall where it may.
dwain

On 1/24/08, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ.


 It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too: 
 http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible
 (the Zeldman lemur cracked me up completely)

 On the issue... it's something MS simply won't back down on no matter what
 any of us think. So we may as well figure out how to deal with it.

 Standardistas can go for the edge option or they can let IE stagnate at
 IE7 or whatever version ends up being the easiest to develop
 for. Or they can seriously tag their documents according to tested documents.


 Implementation specifics aside (yes I still think it's spam), the version
 target feature offers us a chance to lock our sites to the most convenient
 version of IE. MS has invited us to ignore their newer products. We can opt
 to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new
 versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary?

 Discuss? :) Surely this list has some opinions...

 cheers,
 Ben

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