[WSG] RE: WSG Digest

2009-10-06 Thread info
Try this

style type=text/css
#wrapper {
height: 100px;
width: 800px;
}
#box1 {
height: 100px;
width: 200px;
float: left;
border: thin solid #F00;
}
#box2 {
height: 100px;
width: 200px;
float: left;
border: thin solid #00C;
}
#box3 {
float: left;
height: 100px;
width: 200px;
border: thin solid #930;
}
#box4 {
float: left;
height: 100px;
width: auto;
border: thin solid #FC0;
}
/style
/head

body


div id=wrapper
  div id=box1BOX 1/div
  div id=box2BOX2/div
  div id=box4BOX4 flexi/div
  div id=box3BOX3/div
/div
/body

Box 4 is the flexi one and will stretch but only up to the MAX size of the
wrapper 

Lucas M Meyer
CEO
Silvermoonsky Web Design
www.silvermoonsky.com 

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From: designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:28:30 +0100
Subject: elasticity and floats

Can anyone help me sort a problem please:

I want to make a banner/masthead with 4 divs. Nos 1,2 and 4 are fixed 
width 
and I want div 3 to be flexible width and fill the gap:


div id=wrapper

[fixed- float left] [fixed - float left] [elastic - no floats] [fixed - 
float right]

/div

The wrapper div takes care of the clearing, using overflow : hidden.

It's easy with a table, but I don't seem to be able to do it with 
floats. 
The ways I've tried either don't line up the divs vertically, or the 3rd 
div 
width shrinks to content size.

I hope I've explained this properly (nothing online to see yet) and I 
hope 
someone can help.

Thanks,

Bob 


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Re: [WSG] internet explorer 8 problems

2009-09-12 Thread info

Try putting IE8 into Compatibility mode.



Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
well still not displaying the table and the font name.
so wonder if it is a internet explorer 8 issue.
and when i rolled back to internet explorer 7 last time.
it would display the table and my font names.
why?
is this a internet explorer 8 bug and maybe contact the development team at
microsoft.
have checked and my css is in the correct file place.
cheers Marvin.






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Re: [WSG] web hosting

2009-09-04 Thread info

I doubt you'll find a free host that supports all those needs.
Especially considering nearly all your requirements need licensing.
You should seriously consider using a Linux based host, and as much Open 
Source stuff that you can.


Also, not meaning to flame you, but if you think the server needs to 
support javascript, then I doubt you really know what your doing. 
Javascript comes down to the client side browser, not the server side host.



Marvin Hunkin wrote:

hi.
just looked at one site http://www.110mb.com but does not have my 
requirements.

i need to have a free webhost, that is accessible.
as do not have a credit card.
that support cgi, visual studio 2008, sql 2008, as building a three tier 
site using visual web developer and sql with a friend.

and also need java script, possibly php.
can any one recommend any thing at all.
cheers Marvin. 





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Re: [WSG] web hosting

2009-09-04 Thread info
So it is, my mistake, oh I assumed 'cos he mentioned php and the other 
server side stuff, that he meant javascript in the way I meant.


Chris Knowles wrote:

info wrote:

Also, not meaning to flame you, but if you think the server needs to 
support javascript, then I doubt you really know what your doing. 
Javascript comes down to the client side browser, not the server side 
host.




javascript is a server side and client side language, so maybe Marvin 
needs it on the server


Marvin, is this a small project site or a commercial site? Because if 
it's just a project, maybe theres someone out there with some kind of 
reseller account that could give you some space for free? I have one 
and I would, but it's Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP hosting. As others have 
stated, the problem you have is the technologies you require have 
expensive licenses and so free hosting is going to be hard to come by. 
But if you confirm it's only a small site, maybe someone out there has 
a bit of spare space?






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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-03-17 Thread info
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the 
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-03-04 Thread info
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-03-03 Thread info
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the 
morning of the 04/03/2009.

For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - 
anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com

I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry.  
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-03-02 Thread info
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the 
morning of the 04/03/2009.

For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - 
anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com

I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry.  
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Kind regards

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Director

Spotless Design
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread info

Quoting tee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Gicela Morales wrote:


Thanks everyone.  I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler!

Gicela :-)

2008/10/20 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have both BBEdit and TextMate.

I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor.   
Project creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders.


I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming,   
but depending on the task I will use XCode aswell.


If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go   
with TextMate: http://macromates.com/


If you want to save money and have an all round free open source  
editor that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I  
would suggest notepad++.


Been using it since it was first available and haven't looked at  
anything else. Mind you, apart from Flash * GIMP, I use notepad++ for  
all my web design.


Regards,
Dennis @ eyemaxstudios.net



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Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

2008-09-01 Thread info

Hi David,

I wouldnt say that I code for Firefox, more that I code in immaculate  
standards compliant code and that it seems to work best in Firefox,  
Safari and Opera ;)


You are right though - make for standard complient browsers and then  
use conditional statements for IE. Most of the time these are to fix  
very minimal spacing issues.


This isnt much but this article on sitepoint defines that firefox is  
the browser for web developers:

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/08/29/would-you-switch-to-ie8/

Darren Lovelock
Munkyonline.co.uk

Quoting David McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi,

For a while now, I've been operating on the principle Code for
Firefox, hack for IE.

That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and then
making adjustments for non-standard behaviour.
I said this in a meeting last week to argue a point and my boss said
who says?.

I could have said me, but maybe that's not a good enough answer.
Somewhere some years ago I read this, or heard someone at a conference
or something and it got stuck in my head.

Is this the way anyone works?
Is it the best way to work?
Does anyone know where I got this idea from? Book? Blog? A bit of
googling this afternoon turned up not very much.

Thanks,
David

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Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread info

Hi Jason,

I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map. They are  
only useful for defining polygon or circular areas on maps (or  
similar) as links. They are not good for a sites primary navigation.


For navigation that is consisting of an image I would create an  
unordered list:


ul id=nav
li class=img1link1/li
li class=img2link1/li
li class=img3link1/li
/ul

Set the main img background on ul#nav to go behind all the links then  
set the individual link graphics on each list item anchor - li.img? a


Make the anchors display:block and you can then define height and  
width of the link.


Then when images are turned off you are still left with a fully  
accessible menu.


Darren Lovelock
Munkyonline.co.uk

Quoting Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Good Morning everyone!

 I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a
picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links.

I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this
isn't the best way to do it? I personally think that some nice text
links, styled properly with CSS would look just as good if not better
then image maps.

 Oh, and to put it into context, it's a picture rating site so I don't
know that Blind users are going to be too much of a concern for him
since they can't see what the main part of the site is for.

Any info I could get about this would be wonderful!

Thanks everyone!

--

Jason Pruim
Raoset Inc.
Technology Manager
MQC Specialist
11287 James St
Holland, MI 49424
www.raoset.com
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RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread info

Hi Rick,

If any client were to tell me how to code their website I would  
probably tell them to go elsewhere. The client is more than likely  
going to be a pain throughout the project and then also when making  
payment.


Obviously this is within reason - design aspects - of course they  
decide. When it comes to the coding, the client most certainly does  
not know best! If they want it to be of a high quality and well  
optimised then I will make it using the best of my abilities. There's  
no reason that they should specify how it is coded, unless they're a  
developer and they need it formatted in a specific way.


This must not be a normal customer anyway if they know about image  
maps. I'm interested to know why they requested it in the first place..


Quoting Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Darren...

I find your comment, I would most certainly not allow the use of
an image map, interesting.

What would you do, as is Jason's situation, if your client demands it?

You can always turn down the work, but would you simply because a client
wants to do something that you don't like?

Rick


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Subject: Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

Hi Jason,

I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map. They are
only useful for defining polygon or circular areas on maps (or
similar) as links. They are not good for a sites primary navigation.

For navigation that is consisting of an image I would create an
unordered list:

ul id=nav
li class=img1link1/li
li class=img2link1/li
li class=img3link1/li
/ul

Set the main img background on ul#nav to go behind all the links then
set the individual link graphics on each list item anchor - li.img? a

Make the anchors display:block and you can then define height and
width of the link.

Then when images are turned off you are still left with a fully
accessible menu.

Darren Lovelock
Munkyonline.co.uk

Quoting Jason Pruim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Good Morning everyone!

  I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a
 picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links.

 I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this
 isn't the best way to do it? I personally think that some nice text
 links, styled properly with CSS would look just as good if not better
 then image maps.

  Oh, and to put it into context, it's a picture rating site so I don't
 know that Blind users are going to be too much of a concern for him
 since they can't see what the main part of the site is for.

 Any info I could get about this would be wonderful!

 Thanks everyone!






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RE: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

2008-08-13 Thread info
I've recently started to use drupal with the ubercart module. It's  
really easy to set up and it's pretty easy to theme too.


drupal on its own is a great cms. Download the whole package from  
ubercart though http://www.ubercart.org/downloads The deluxe package  
includes drupal and some extra modules.


I would steer clear of zencart - not keen on that software at all. Not  
very easy to customise.


Darren Lovelock
Munkyonline.co.uk

Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Hi Joe,

Can you recommend a shopping cart system that is easy to set up and   
use, be it open source or not? Trying to make a decision myself at   
the moment and would be interested to hear your thoughts.


Cheers
Paul


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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:57 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

why would it not work as a directory under the main site tree, i.e.:  
 www.domain.com.au/shop/http://www.domain.com.au/shop/.


I think developers are keen on a lightweight, simple to use and   
deploy and template shopping cart system. ZenCart and osCommmerce   
are terrible to both set up and use, so lose-lose IMHO.


Surely a simple shopping cart that is relatively genertic isn't THAT  
 complicated to do?


Joe


On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:34, Adam Martin wrote:

I am a pretty active magento developer and highly recommend it as   
well.. but it really only suits those clients whose whole site is an  
 ecommerce solution. For example, take a look at a client of mine  -  
 julesroc.com.au


I am working on a custom solution that allows ecommerce to be a part  
 of a clients website. So the first question I would be asking is   
what are the needs of the client. A complete ecommerce solution or   
an ecommerce component within their site.


Cheers
Adam
magento user: tweakmag
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From: 8bits Mediamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

I think it would be worth your while to go and check out Magento -   
http://www.magentocommerce.com/


The makers of this product have done a great job of making it   
standards compliant, as well as very usable. We're in the process of  
 integrating it into a new project.


Regards,

Nick
8bits Media

On 13 Aug 2008, at 16:39, Lynette Smith wrote:

Do the free [shopping carts] (such as ZenCart and OsCommerce) do an  
 adequate job  ?


My friend populated the shop at the time because he was savvy with   
Photoshop and could do all the image work himself. But you could as   
well end up doing that too if your client hasn't that knowledge.

That's what I am afraid of.

I think you should weigh your time vs. the fee your colleague   
charges. You might want to learn ZenCart or another eCommerce   
solution so you can do it in the future.

Thanks, Jens - will re-think if a cart is really necessary.

Kind regards

Lyn


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Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

2008-08-13 Thread info

Hi Krystian,

Again i would recommend drupal for cms - standards compliant  SEO  
friendly as standard.
And then the ubercart ecommerce module for drupal - standards  
compliant as standard too :)


Thats exactly the reason why we have started to use it. Would have  
used cubecart as v4 is tableless but I think you have to pay for it  
now. Drupal is free and there are loads of templates available for it  
already.


It uses multiple templating engines and is very well documented on  
their website (unlike other similar systems). You can over-ride  
anything on there through the template system which may require a bit  
of php knowledge. But if you want to keep it simple then you can just  
modify the CSS and still create a pretty unique looking site.


You create a theme folder and then assign it through the admin panel.  
All the core files are seperate so updating will not overwrite your  
customisations.


Check it out here - www.drupal.org

Darren Lovelock
Munky Online
http://www.munkyonline.co.uk

Quoting Krystian - Sunlust [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Okay, I'll try to bring it back OnTopic.

Which of shopping cards actually uses css based templates without
tones of tables? And if noone will mind, which CMS does so?
I mean,I'm using Joomla and everyone says that the templates are
standard compliant etc, but when I see the bloody header named
contentheader instead of h2 it really pisses me off - not semantic
and not SEO friendly.

What's your best practice for Shopping Carts templates/systems, would
you rather restyle a template to make it more standard compliant or
start from a scratch, and same with coding, do you sometimes try to
fix shopping cart software to customize it or do you not as it makes
it hard to update later on?

Regards,

--
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Freelancer on the side: http://sunlust.net
Full time Website Designer: http://smesolutions.co.uk/


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[WSG] Accessible Form Buttons

2008-07-31 Thread info

Hi WSG List!

I'm working on a contracted project at the moment and the team is in a  
debate about how to make the website buttons scalable and yet still  
accessible. Also we want to use a minimal amount of markup.


Obviously we cant use CSS background images as they wont scale. At the  
moment we have used CSS to layer an anchor over an img that does scale.


The issue with this is now if people have no CSS support, the anchor  
and img will then be next to each other and then button wont be  
clickable.


Does anyone know of another solution to this problem?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Darren Lovelock
Munkyonline.co.uk


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RE: [WSG] Accessible Form Buttons

2008-07-31 Thread info

Quoting Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


I'm working on a contracted project at the moment and the team is in a
debate about how to make the website buttons scalable and yet still
accessible. Also we want to use a minimal amount of markup.

Obviously we cant use CSS background images as they wont scale. At the
moment we have used CSS to layer an anchor over an img that does scale.

The issue with this is now if people have no CSS support, the anchor
and img will then be next to each other and then button wont be
clickable.

Does anyone know of another solution to this problem?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!


Using extra markup:
http://tjkdesign.com/lab/uploader/buttons.asp


--
Regards,
Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com




Thanks Thierry, looks good and works well. I'm not sure the other team  
members will like the markup though!




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[WSG] Out of office notice

2007-12-16 Thread info
Please note that we have closed down for our Summer Break from 14 December 2007 
till 2 January 2008. Limited access to e-mail.

If you urgently need to contact me, then please use the online contact form on 
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Re: [WSG] Site Build It and CSS???

2007-06-30 Thread info
Christian,

Would re-design the site outside of sitesell and provide your client with  a
simple CMS/web page editor to manage it.

In my experience, these sites made it easy to edit pages but difficult to alter
the src code.

Julio Feliciano
www.j6design.com


Quoting Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Dear list,
 
 I have a potential client who would like me to redesign her website
 with CSS (hooray!).
 
 Her current site runs on Site Built It! and she would like to remain
 with that system:
 http://buildit.sitesell.com/main/home.html
 
 From the looks of it, SBI! is archaic and I'm wondering how hard it is
 to make a CSS template for it.
 
 Has anyone on this lists worked with it in the past? Please let me
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Re: [WSG] WSG Site

2006-03-16 Thread info

everything seems fine


Bram


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On 3/16/06 1:06 PM, Prabhath Sirisena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Works fine over here. Prolly some mail server issue at your end?

To be clear, not the list but www.webstandardsgroup.org is the site I am
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[WSG] Do you still support 4.0 browsers?

2006-02-28 Thread Urbits - Info


If you go to the Australian Taxation Office's site you will find that 
if you want to download and use E Tax, that you have to use a Version 
5 browser and above.  Does it get worse.my word it does... it has 
to be IE  If you want to use their electronic business access you 
have to use IE as well.  This is to the point that you can't even fill 
in numbers for your ABN (Australian Business Number) if you're using 
Firefox.


No, it's worse than that, you *must* have IE as your *default* browser. 
At least that was the case when I installed about a year ago. The java 
runtime is kind enough to check that IE is default and to bow out if 
not. But once it is installed you can get around the problem and use 
firefox, and it works fine - although I'm sure it'll mean another 
penalty or something :-)


I spoke to a dude at the ATO and he was tremendously sheepish about the 
whole thing. LOL.

Simon

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Re: [WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml

2005-10-08 Thread Lyme Info
Hi everyone,

OK, the extreme tracker is now working.

Last time I posted, the xhtml valid tracker was
working on some pages and not others.  What I
discovered was that the pages with older trackers
wouldn't track with the valid code.  I hadn't realized
initially that there were different versions of the
tracker.  Once I realized it, I created new IDs for
the older pages to replace the older tracker versions.
 That did the trick.

=-)
Cheryl
http://www.lymeinfo.net

Lyme Info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I then went to the index page ...But it isn't
working...I keep looking at the code and am baffled.


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[WSG] IE Bug?

2005-10-08 Thread Lyme Info
Hi,

I've observed an inconsistent problem on my site with
Internet Explorer. Basically, in the upper left area
of the main (white) section a gray box that varies in
size will appear occassionally. The box disappears
when scrolling down then up again. Slight variations
of this problem appear on any of the pages. 

Pictures: 
http://www.lymeinfo.net/glitch.html

Any ideas?

Thanks,
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RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-04 Thread Webspace Works info
Hi Lisa, Peter,

On 05-10-2005at 09:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Herrod, Lisa) wrote:
  
  Thanks for posting this to the list, I'm sure it will be 
  interesting to many
  of us on list...
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  This may help with your font compatibility problem.
  
  http://www.visibone.com/font/FontResults.html
  
  
You might also want to look at the following:

http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/

It's less 'complete' in that it doesn't include all the many
really obscure fonts of the visibone survey, but I
personally find it better organised.

Both this and the visibone compliment each other, but are
gathered differently... codestyle requires a manual
completion of a 'checklist' type of form, while the visibone
survey is automatically gathered via javascript, which
incidentally caused a Firefox hang on MacOSX 10.3.9 here...
YMMV

Cheers

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[WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml

2005-10-01 Thread Lyme Info

Hi everyone!

I am currently using the extreme tracker on my website and prefer it over some xhtml compliant ones like sitemeter and statcounter. Webstats4u is also ok, but it is not xhtml compliant.

Through a google search, I came across the discussions on this list about making the extreme tracker compliant, but I am still having a tough time getting it to work.

I followed the source code at Bert Doorn’s site without luck. I wrote to him and he kindly responded toput EXd.write on one line. I tried that without any success. However, I don’t know if I corrected that properly. My text editor creates new lines when there arespaces. I tried eliminating all spaces in the line, and also tried just leaving the spaces before height and width. Neither worked.
http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/
my version:
http://www.lymeinfo.net/medical.html

I also tried the tip at the following site:
http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/archives//DOM_extreme_tracker/
my version:
http://www.lymeinfo.net

Unfortunately, I couldn’t get that to work either. I also noticed that on the splintered site and my site where I have the comparable code, there is often a notice in the bottom bar of firefox that it is waiting for the “eo.extreme-dm” site. This message is not found at Bert’s site at the same time, or at my other pages where I have non compliant trackers.

I am wondering if anyone has any ideasabout how I can fix the extreme tracker to make it compliant and functional.

Thanks!
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Re: [WSG] Extreme Tracker and xhtml

2005-10-01 Thread Lyme Info
Hi again,

I made some more changes since posting, and I thought I had it working. Itseemed itwas a line-wrap problem. I found that I could turn off word-wrap in my text editor. I hadn’t realized how important that was for _javascript_. I made the change for the "medical" site, and it started to work! 

I then went to the index page and removed the code from the splintered site. I copied and pasted the code exactly from medical, changed the 3 spots for user ID, and made sure the java code was on one line.I viewed the source code to confirm. But it isn't working. I thought it was just an extreme tracker delay, but I've now waited quite a while and it still isn't tracking. (It tracks me so I can easily test that) I keep looking atthe codeand am baffled.

Anyway, I felt I should say something since I changed things since my previous post and the code won't appear as I previously described.

Cheryl




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Through a google search, I came across the discussions on this list about making the extreme tracker compliant, but I am still having a tough time getting it to work.


http://www.lymeinfo.net/medical.html

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[WSG] web design presentation: advice?

2005-04-11 Thread info
Hi all,
I'm going to make a presentation to art students on an introduction to  
web design and would like some advice (besides how to deal with the 
butterfiles in the stomach). First the stats:

   Audience: art students who want to create portfolio websites to
   showcase their art work
   Goal: to introduce art students to web design to encourage them to
   learn more
   Teacher's Goal: to encourage the students to take web design classes
   in their same school to learn web design/coding
   Link: Intro to Web Design | http://www.zoblue.com/web-design/index.html
Of course it's still in the works, but this is what I'll be presenting 
to them and discussing the points as I go.  I used  S5[1] to create my 
short presentation.

I'd love feedback. any suggestions? any ideas? I present it tomorrow in 
the evening.

thanks in advance!
Zulema
[1] Meyerweb - S5 | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
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browser : http://getfirefox.com/ 

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Re: [WSG] Son of Suckerfish and IE 6 (SP2)

2005-04-05 Thread info
Kornel Lesinski wrote:
It's well documented, just search MSDN on IE SP2 changes.
It's also said that adding:
-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet --
at the beginning of the file disables this behaviour.
I think you meant:
!-- saved from url=(0014)about:internet --
^ it was missing the exclamation point. :D
Once the pages are put up live, tho, that line should be removed right?
regards,
Z

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RE: [WSG] Simple 2 column layout?

2005-03-18 Thread info



On my domain www.sql-und-xml.de, I am using such a simple layout with a
fixed left column and a floating right.


Amaya 9.1 accepts this.


The page is in german but the Html is ... self-explaining


Best Regards
Juergen Auer
Berlin, Germany






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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Stevio
 Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 6:08 PM
 To: Web Standards Group
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Simple 2 column layout?
 
 Thanks for that, getting those widths right always annoys me cause the box
 model doesn't work right!
 
 To expand on the simple 2 column layout, how can I have a fixed width left
 column (for navigation) and a right column that fills the rest of the space.
 
 This is achieved in tables by setting the left cell to, for example, 150
 width, and the right column to 100%.
 
 Thanks,
 Stephen
 
 
 =**
 
 There's a conceptual issue here. The point of styling with css is to get out
 of the box of one's own monitor and to style for the range of devices
 available to users. That's users not authors.
 
 The only way to do this is to maximize flexibility. This is where the ease
 of tables fails. Set a pixel fixed width for a left cell, let the right cell
 fill the screen. Now increase the screen resolution. The amount of real
 estate to fill in the right cell just increased dramatically. Go the other
 way, keep decreasing the screen width to a cell phone or pda. The screen
 real estate is gobbled up by the fixed with left cell and the right cell an
 undecipherable sliver. 
 
 Start to change font size and it just gets worse. The fixed width left cell
 disintegrates. The right cell holds coherency longer. Overall, it just
 doesn't work well.
 
 Percentages offer a partial solution. At lower resolutions a percentage
 based column setup holds up pretty much down to the single word width, a bit
 longer than may actually be useful. For higher resolutions, the single line
 column problem doubles with both cells being single lines with the added
 possibility of a lot of real estate separating the end of one text grouping
 and the beginning of the other. 
 
 Font size, however, starts to cause the same kinds of problems. Huge,
 gigantic letters breaking out all over. 
 
 Fixing the right cell size only compounds the problem.
 
 That leaves em's for sizing. One can set a width for either or both columns
 which will better withstand resolution and font changes in both directions.
 The problem is how big is an em? It's really such a flexible measure that it
 makes people uncomfortable. How many em to a line? What looks good on
 changes of screen resolution can frankly look a little flakey and shabby on
 different monitors with the same resolution. It does look slightly odd when
 the header graphic is off center a tiny bit. This leads to discussions of
 being a pixel or two off on header positions etc. Although designing for
 slightly less than viewport maximum will fix most all of that by compacting
 the design.
 
 So you want 2 simple columns? Then make 2 columns. Float both of them. Left
 or right, determined by whichever content you want to come first in the
 code. Float them because then they are columns not a float sitting on a wide
 margined normal flowed element. Fix their width with em to maximize
 durability and usability. 
 
 And this is where the box model shines. It's just the sum of seven
 components: 1 content, 2 paddings, 2 borders, and 2 margins, side to side
 and up and down, all constrained by the width of the container, if any.
 Change those factors and one changes the appearance of the columns without
 compromising the content or the accessibility of the content. 
 
 And that's the beauty of css for styling. Allows both users and authors to
 separately control how pretty the picture is; once the authors learn to let
 trust users. Brilliant design actually. 
 
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[WSG] italian ATAG 2.0 analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Luca Mascaro .info
Hello

IOSHI have published an italian analysis of the WD ATAG 2.0

http://www.ioshi.org/pubblicazioni/analisi.WD-ATAG20-20040224.html

Automatical translation (by google)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ioshi.org%2Fpubblic
azioni%2Fanalisi.WD-ATAG20-20040224.htmllangpair=it%7Cenhl=enie=UTF-8oe=
UTF-8prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Best regards

Luca Mascaro


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RE: [WSG] Tags for file names

2004-07-04 Thread Luca Mascaro .info
Hello, hypotheticaly and semanticaly, not exist any element to describe a
file name. I usually use a link whit any href.

Luca Mascaro


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RE: [WSG] presentation

2004-07-02 Thread Luca Mascaro .info
Tks a lot

already that there are, you bringing back a series of article (accessible :)
about web standards... in italian language

http://www.lucamascaro.info/articoli.xsp


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RE: [WSG] Browser compliance

2004-03-23 Thread info
This slamming me with tons of posts from the group is not what I was expecting.
 Is there a way to cram all this into one digest?  I thought I was signing up
for a digest, not a membership to receive 50 messages a day. 

Thanks,

Tom

Quoting Jeff - Accessibility 1st [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Martin
 I've just tried it and go to OptionsSettings then click on Browse
 and there is an option to select use Netscape (will use the mozilla
 engine if you don't have Netscape.
 
 Hope this helps
 
 Cheers 
 
 Jeff Lowder
 Accessibility 1st
 Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au
 Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 12:20 PM
 To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
 Subject: [WSG] Browser compliance
 
 (Sorry if this is a repeated msg - having email problems)
 
 
 Hello List,
 
 This may seen OT, but the underlying question is valid :~)
 
 I'm using Homesite+ to code, and want to configure the internal browser
 to
 Mozilla, from the default ie rendering engine, but not sure about it...
 
 1.So, IYHOs,
   Is it better to code, then check, code some more, then check
 again,
   using a much more standards-compliant browser like Mozilla, or
 go
   with ie, then tweak for the rest?
 
 2.Is Mozilla more standards-complaint than the rest, or should is
 Opera
   first on that list?
 
 A.Which browser (which version too), in order of compliance,
 rate first in standards. Is my list accurate:
 
 a.Mozilla builds (1.5, 1.7b, etc)
 b.Mozilla Firebird 0.7
 c.Mozilla Firefox 0.8
 d.Opera
 e.Netscape
 f.IE
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
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 Information Technology Administrator/Web Designer
 San Francisco Bay Area  Central Valley
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Re: [WSG] Centering one box in the center of the page with a footer attached

2004-03-23 Thread info
Hi,

My two sites that I am working on (designing websites is something that I
struggle with terribly) are:

www.tomscomputerservices.net
www.tomwhalen.hopto.org

If anyone wants to offer simple suggestions on what I could change to make the
sites more appealing, I'm very open minded :-)

Also, today I received my first browser-capabilities shock when I asked my wife
to look at the sites on her WinXP machine.  She is using Mozilla Firebird and
IE6, and unfortunately she ALWAYS goes for the IE6 browser.  She's been MS'fied,
I tell ya :-)

So, when she loaded up my sites I was horrified.  What was unusual was that IE6
did a better job of rendering my site than did Firebird (if I remember
correctly).  Given that Firefox is an off-shoot of Firebird (correct?), you'd
think those two browsers would render stuff identically, or close to it anyway.
 So, I don't know what to do now.  Do I just poo-poo IE+ users and aim to please
owners of Mozilla-family browsers?  My sites are only to generate pc-servicing
business from the local community, so most of my business (I think) will come
from the business cards I leave laying around.

Thanks, have a great night :-)

Tom Whalen
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Re: [WSG] code for a form

2004-02-09 Thread info

Hi peter,

I have Done the email script for you.

The only thing I need to know is, can you run PHP?,

Otherwise the form is pointless...

Plz let me know... And it is all your.

Also, just lemme know the email address to send it to,

And do you want to use iut as a whole page by itself,
Or incorporate it into your design?.

Thanks

72dpi - AKA - Ryan

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Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane

2004-02-09 Thread info
hey universal;,
bold statement, i will leave this one alone heh heh.
nah, i agree with you, because i suck @ css layouts i use tables @ work,
but now am doing major study  testing in my spare time, I have so much 
to learn.

I guess it boils down to either you rock@ css or U are just learning 
the details like me.
i also am a one man show ( well i am the only one who can do any work 
here). So yeah,
I find it hard to design/3d/animate/program/develop etc, whilst trying 
to uphold the values
and ideals of a common browser compliant style.

css does rock, and as we all know, browsers suck, but i will stick with 
it, cos it is better to
design with whatever time allows you, than working in a crappy job like 
packing bricks.

All hail the mighty tables, ! ( well untill i learn css better..

72dpi - AKA - Ryan

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Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?

2004-02-04 Thread info
hi Seona,

macintosh ie 5.2

x-tad-smaller
/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerscript/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller language=JavaScript type=text/JavaScript>
/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller!--
function MM_reloadPage(init) {  //reloads the window if Nav4 resized
if (init==true) with (navigator) {if ((appName==Netscape)(parseInt(appVersion)==4)) {
document.MM_pgW=innerWidth; document.MM_pgH=innerHeight; onresize=MM_reloadPage; }}
else if (innerWidth!=document.MM_pgW || innerHeight!=document.MM_pgH) location.reload();
}
MM_reloadPage(true);


// Script to control menus in IE
startList = function() {
if (document.alldocument.getElementById) {
navRoot = document.getElementById(nav);
for (i=0; inavRoot.childNodes.length; i++) {  // pops error on this line
node = navRoot.childNodes[i];
if (node.nodeName==LI) {
node.onmouseover=function() {
this.className+= over;
}
node.onmouseout=function() {
this.className=this.className.replace( over, );
}
}
}
}
}
window.onload=startList;
//--/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller>
/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller/script/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller>

I have commented on line above which wont work..
menu won't work on This browser...

Hope this helps/x-tad-smaller

[WSG] reply to Safari question

2004-02-03 Thread info
Hi people, this is my first mail, I am very glad to become part of this 
site, as It has raised
my awareness of compatabilities heaps!

Safari V 1.2 Actually takes over the old safari which expires.
they are still having a few javascripting issues where some scripts 
still wont work.

I am using the new Mozilla firebird 
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/
and it looks and performs very nice. As far as other people are talking 
about browser issues,
i have a Pc  mac, but on my mac i use Virtual pc, loaded with a few 
different browsers.
This way I see how badly my stuff works across platforms.

Look forward to hearing more soon!.

72dpi - AKA Ryan

Not being that Mac savy, I assume it's possible to have both v1.0 and
v1.2 installed on the same machine?
Safari 1.2 is out for mac-heads:
http://www.apple.com/safari/


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Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question

2004-02-03 Thread info
thanks for clarifying that justin.

I thought about my comment  realized that it is with os update that it
happens, so thanks for correcting me...
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RE: [WSG] Real world use of standards

2004-01-28 Thread info

My situation is as follows:

Here at BHP Billiton, I am part of the Global Intranet Team. I wrote
the CSS/XHTML for their Global Intranet and then wrote standards
compliant templates for other people within the business to use to
build their own intranets.

We were able to adopt W3C standards and XHTML/CSS for all this
because, basically, before our team was put together, there were no
standards at all - intranets were built by whoever with whatever. We
wrote documentation, style guides etc emphasing standards compliance
as well.

This went fine for a year or two. Our team was rebuilding old
non-compliant intranets and making them standards compliant and
building new intranets with CSS/XHTML, W3C standards etc.

Since that time, new CMS's have been bought into sections of the
company (against our protests) that do not adhere to these standards,
and things are starting to go backwards in some areas. 

It's sort of like two steps forward - one step back when it comes to
web standards here, which can be frustrating. In a company this size,
it does take a lot of championing the cause by the right people to
get something like web standards in place. We're making progress, but
it's a battle.

Regards,

David McDonald
http://www.davidmcdonald.org




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Real world use of standards
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:06:45 +1100


I have a question for you all, given that quite a few of you work for
large,
CMS-type companies and the collective level of experience here is
seemingly
very large:

How many of you have experienced working for companies/clients which
actively embrace the standards and protocols/working methods we
discuss here
every day? It seems to me that very often dealing with clients and
client
needs makes using standards to the fullest an impractical thing at
best.

I'd like to know how many of you have experienced work-places where
standards are extremely important, and not just an afterthought in
the
production process.

This is perhaps a little off-topic, but I think it's worth a
discussion
because the PRACTICAL, real-world use of standards is surely of
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RE: [WSG] bug check - does it break?

2004-01-18 Thread info

Ben,

Seem to be working fine on win2000 IE 5.5 - nice work.


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Subject: RE: [WSG] bug check - does it break?
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:14:11 +1100

Hey there crew,

just finished marking up the templates for a new site we're building
here at werk. At the moment it validates a-ok - but I was wondering
if you guys could run your keen eyes over it to see if there are any
bugs.

I've tested the markup in a few browsers - but haven't been able to
test yet on Win95, 98, 2000, IE5 or Mac OS 8+9.

http://conversantstudios.com.au/apa/
http://www.conversantstudios.com.au/apa/index_02.html
http://www.conversantstudios.com.au/apa/index_05.html

Let me know what you think,
Benvolio


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