Re: [WSG] Big Browsing Issues on clients PC Laptop AOL

2008-10-19 Thread ox4dboy
Validate your CSS - there area few errors that may be to blame. 

>From the validator: 

URI : http://www.dianebrinker.com/styles.css 
16  #contentProperty opacity doesn't exist in CSS level 2.1 
but exists in [css3] : 0.8 
17  #contentParse Error opacity=80) 
303 #quotes_container   Property opacity doesn't exist in CSS 
level 2.1 but exists in [css3] : 0.8 
304 #quotes_container   Parse Error opacity=80) 
485 .menu   Property opacity doesn't exist in CSS level 2.1 but 
exists in [css3] : 0.8 
486 .menu   Parse Error opacity=80) 
566 #tabsI  Property opacity doesn't exist in CSS level 2.1 but 
exists in [css3] : 0.8 
567 #tabsI  Parse Error opacity=80) URI : 
http://www.dianebrinker.com/menu.css 
-1
File not found: http://www.dianebrinker.com/menu.css: Not Found 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kristine Cummins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:19:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [WSG] Big Browsing Issues on clients PC Laptop AOL 




I just launched a site, and it’s browsing fine on my PC & Mac laptop from IE5-8 
browsers to FF etc. However, when my client visits her site on her PC laptop 
using AOL , it is browsing ( as if ) the stylesheet is applying only half way. 
I’ve recommended her to download the latest IE or FF, but she hasn’t done it 
yet. When she goes to her place of work, it looks fine. How could there be this 
huge discrepancy on her PC Laptop using AOL? 

Site is www.dianebrinker.com 
Screenshots she sent me: http://www.dianebrinker.com/diane_screenshots.jpg 



Thanks in advance for any help! 
Kristine 
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Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + in place of legend

2008-10-19 Thread ox4dboy
- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


"Boots.com is one of the most 'formsy' web sites out there. 
I suggest you sign up for it and try to see what has been done there..." 
Regards. 

boots.com redirects to "bootsus.bri-global.com/" - is this the site you were 
referring to? Looks OK, but uses questionalble extra , 
lacks / and/or , and no indication of required fields. Also, 
erors out when attemptingto submit the form for "new user" 

The "leftformcell" and "rightformcell" definitey provide a lot of flexibility, 
but is questionably overboard vs. applying . I had not thought about creating two seperate 
wrappers...trying to get it done with one or less. 

I am close to having a version 1 to post for review...I may do two different 
approaches to look for better feedback - Pro vs. Cons for each approach. 

Thanks. 





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Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + in place of legend

2008-10-17 Thread ox4dboy

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:51:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers +  in place of legend 

You should also be aware of the fact that for a commercial project the below 
code snippet you posted will not be sufficient, as it does not have enought 
styling/behavioural hooks in it... 

-- 

That's my next bone to pick, and why I really liked the  wrapper. I 
really dislike the idea of wrapping the  &  in a  but I will 
likely have to for the exact point you have made. I need lots of flexibility 
but want minimal code bloat. Here's a simplified version of where I am heading: 
... 
 

Contact Information 

 
Name 
 
 

 
Name 
 
 

 
Date of Birth 
 
Month 
 
 
 
Day 
 
 
 
Day 
 
 
 

 
... 

Why the  in the ?  I may potentially need to style that area as 
a sliding doors tab, plus it seems easier to achieve consistent cross-browser 
styles on the span as opposed to the . 

The nested  is to allow for the DOB to me horizontal if/when desired. 
 Still lots to do regarding other form elements...more questions as I progress. 
  I will also post an example. 

Thanks thus far! 






 


Seems painfully blaoted to me, but I need a lot of control to match virtually 
any situation 











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Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread ox4dboy
Thank you everyone for your replies. So it seems the trusty old traditional 
 
Contact Information 
Name 
 
 
is the way to go to keep all browsers and screen readers happy. I think I can 
likely lose the  and replace that with a display: block; on the label or 
input. This is the first of a series of questions I will have. I have the 
opportunity to rewrite some extremely complex forms for a very large CMS and I 
want to make them the best they can be. 

Thanks! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike at Green-Beast.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:07:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers +  in place of legend 

Hi Ben, 

> I've always used label arount input fields [...] 
> I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. 

Here's one for you: 
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254 

I haven't been paying attention to this, and someone's probably already said 
it (if so, sorry), but it's also worth noting that only form elements will 
be read in a screen reader's forms mode. Being as such, it's better to style 
the legend to look like an h6 rather than substituting it for one. 

Respectfully, 
Mike Cherim 




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[WSG] labels as input wrappers + in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread ox4dboy


I am looking for feedback on two questions, based on the simple form snippet 
below. 

 
Personal Details 
Name: 
  
ID Number: 
 
 

Question 1: 
Is it acceptable, or advisable, to use a header tag  in place of the 
 in order to get cross-browsers consistency when dealing with complex 
form styling? How much impact might this have on accessibility, if any? 

Question 2: 
I don't see many folks using the  as a wrapper to contain the input. Any 
reason not to do this? It allows for the  to be removed via display: 
block; on the  tag as well as allowing users (of most browsers) to click 
on a much larger label to select the accompanying input. 

 
Personal Details 
Name: 
 
 
ID Number: 
 
 
 


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