Re: [WSG] RE: [WSG} CMS and Site Design
Lyn, I'm also a big Textpattern fan and have done some custom plug-in development for it on a per client basis. I find that for the end client Textpattern is easy to understand and follow once they grasp Textile the mark-up language. If they struggle with Textile there is a plug-in for Textpattern to enable a the Tiny-MCE WYSIWYG editor. Above all, Textpattern will meet your clients needs and then some. All the clients I have used Textpattern with are very happy and enjoy the simple environment. - Nate On Dec 3, 2007 10:53 PM, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Stephen and Rahul Yes, I always try to do all updating myself and this is the first client that really needs to do it as it will be a fairly frequent event. I had a talk to him and it will only be replacing one photo with another and changing a bit of text so nothing too onerous. Will have a look at TextPattern I think and will take you up on your offer of help Rahul once I get started, which won't be for a little while until I receive all the data. Lyn Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] RE: [WSG} CMS and Site Design
Hi Lyn If you are feeling really keen to create your own joomla/mambo templates. I found these great little links: http://www.mambosolutions.com/dw_tutorial/ And for the Dreamweaver extension http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetaillo c=en_usextid=1009182# Cheers Amanda From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nate hanna Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 1:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [WSG} CMS and Site Design Lyn, I'm also a big Textpattern fan and have done some custom plug-in development for it on a per client basis. I find that for the end client Textpattern is easy to understand and follow once they grasp Textile the mark-up language. If they struggle with Textile there is a plug-in for Textpattern to enable a the Tiny-MCE WYSIWYG editor. Above all, Textpattern will meet your clients needs and then some. All the clients I have used Textpattern with are very happy and enjoy the simple environment. - Nate On Dec 3, 2007 10:53 PM, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Stephen and Rahul Yes, I always try to do all updating myself and this is the first client that really needs to do it as it will be a fairly frequent event. I had a talk to him and it will only be replacing one photo with another and changing a bit of text so nothing too onerous. Will have a look at TextPattern I think and will take you up on your offer of help Rahul once I get started, which won't be for a little while until I receive all the data. Lyn Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] RE: [WSG} CMS and Site Design
Hi Lyn If you are feeling really keen to create your own joomla/mambo templates. I found these great little links: http://www.mambosolutions.com/dw_tutorial/ And for the Dreamweaver extension http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?event=extensionDetaillo c=en_usextid=1009182# Cheers Amanda From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nate hanna Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 1:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [WSG} CMS and Site Design Lyn, I'm also a big Textpattern fan and have done some custom plug-in development for it on a per client basis. I find that for the end client Textpattern is easy to understand and follow once they grasp Textile the mark-up language. If they struggle with Textile there is a plug-in for Textpattern to enable a the Tiny-MCE WYSIWYG editor. Above all, Textpattern will meet your clients needs and then some. All the clients I have used Textpattern with are very happy and enjoy the simple environment. - Nate On Dec 3, 2007 10:53 PM, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Stephen and Rahul Yes, I always try to do all updating myself and this is the first client that really needs to do it as it will be a fairly frequent event. I had a talk to him and it will only be replacing one photo with another and changing a bit of text so nothing too onerous. Will have a look at TextPattern I think and will take you up on your offer of help Rahul once I get started, which won't be for a little while until I receive all the data. Lyn Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] CMS and site design
I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] CMS and site design
Hi Lyn, In order for them to work correctly, CMS systems usually restrict you to using/designing application specific templates (some even incorporate templating languages). You'll likely need to work with the CMS from the word go. Bear in mind that if you haven't worked with CMS driven sites before, there can be quite a learning curve... :) Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lyn Patterson Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:39 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CMS and site design I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
Hi Lyn, I have worked with Joomla! quite a bit - and do be honest I am not a great fan. It is quite powerful in what you can do with it. Too answer your question you are not limited in your design, however there is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to Joomla! Also, you do not do your design with Joomla! - rather you integrate your design into Joomla! I would define exactly what your client needs and then look at your options from there. Regards Adam On Dec 4, 2007 8:39 AM, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
I'd think a little bit more about what you want your CMS to do before jumping in with Joomla. I've only given it a cursory look over before because I wasn't that impressed particularly by the sort of templating it uses and the code it outputs. If your client just wants to edit pages themselves and maybe add some news items, you might find that Joomla has a lot more functionality than you actually need and you might find something like Wordpress or Textpattern better suits your needs. If you host supports Joomla, you'll be able to use pretty much any other open source CMS too. So, not having used Joomla, but having used others like Wordpress, Expression Engine and CMS Made Simple, to answer your question: yes, you'd create a basic HTML template first and then split it up into the various template files that the CMS uses. Along the way you'll need to learn a bit about the in-built functions that the CMSs use to do various dynamic functions. On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:39:27 +1000, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
Hi Lyn, Personally, I had a bad experience working with joomla, and as a CMS, my clients are not big fans either. I found it easier to build my own CMS for the clients. MT Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lyn, I have worked with Joomla! quite a bit - and do be honest I am not a great fan. It is quite powerful in what you can do with it. Too answer your question you are not limited in your design, however there is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to Joomla! Also, you do not do your design with Joomla! - rather you integrate your design into Joomla! I would define exactly what your client needs and then look at your options from there. Regards Adam On Dec 4, 2007 8:39 AM, Lyn Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn Patterson Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
On 04-Dec-07, at 4:09 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn, I would highly recommend Textpattern for a simple site. My usual workflow is: 1. Mockups (PSD/Fireworks/paper) 2. xHTML/CSS templates 3. Integrate in Textpattern 4. Add salt Using any CMS requires a little bit of a shift in thinking, I suppose. However, the forums are relatively pleasant, and I'd be happy to help you with any questions that you have. Best, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
I would firstly consider what the content that your client wants to be able to update himself actually is. If its highly complicated then you might want to try to convince your client that it is not a good idea to update it themselves. That said I try to convince all clients regardless of job not to update themselves. Rahul Gonsalves wrote: On 04-Dec-07, at 4:09 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn, I would highly recommend Textpattern for a simple site. My usual workflow is: 1. Mockups (PSD/Fireworks/paper) 2. xHTML/CSS templates 3. Integrate in Textpattern 4. Add salt Using any CMS requires a little bit of a shift in thinking, I suppose. However, the forums are relatively pleasant, and I'd be happy to help you with any questions that you have. Best, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] RE: [WSG} CMS and Site Design
Thanks Stephen and Rahul Yes, I always try to do all updating myself and this is the first client that really needs to do it as it will be a fairly frequent event. I had a talk to him and it will only be replacing one photo with another and changing a bit of text so nothing too onerous. Will have a look at TextPattern I think and will take you up on your offer of help Rahul once I get started, which won't be for a little while until I receive all the data. Lyn Western Web Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
What is it you like best about texpattern. I've done one Mambo site and really wasn't happy at all with they system once I learned it. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Rahul Gonsalves wrote: On 04-Dec-07, at 4:09 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn, I would highly recommend Textpattern for a simple site. My usual workflow is: 1. Mockups (PSD/Fireworks/paper) 2. xHTML/CSS templates 3. Integrate in Textpattern 4. Add salt Using any CMS requires a little bit of a shift in thinking, I suppose. However, the forums are relatively pleasant, and I'd be happy to help you with any questions that you have. Best, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
This makes me think does anyone know of a really good comparison table, I have seen some that just have a few technical features listed but they actually are fairly useless for most concerns. Michael Horowitz wrote: What is it you like best about texpattern. I've done one Mambo site and really wasn't happy at all with they system once I learned it. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Rahul Gonsalves wrote: On 04-Dec-07, at 4:09 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn, I would highly recommend Textpattern for a simple site. My usual workflow is: 1. Mockups (PSD/Fireworks/paper) 2. xHTML/CSS templates 3. Integrate in Textpattern 4. Add salt Using any CMS requires a little bit of a shift in thinking, I suppose. However, the forums are relatively pleasant, and I'd be happy to help you with any questions that you have. Best, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CMS and site design
This is a pretty good resource for comparing CMSs. http://www.cmsmatrix.org/matrix Lisa Kerrigan Website Editor www.business.vic.gov.au Department Innovation, Industry and Regional Development Level 31, 121 Exhibition St Melbourne Vic 3000 Tel: 03 9651-9176 Fax: 03 9651-9988 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED] m To Sent by: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc sgroup.org Subject Re: [WSG] CMS and site design 04/12/2007 05:08 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] roup.org This makes me think does anyone know of a really good comparison table, I have seen some that just have a few technical features listed but they actually are fairly useless for most concerns. Michael Horowitz wrote: What is it you like best about texpattern. I've done one Mambo site and really wasn't happy at all with they system once I learned it. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Rahul Gonsalves wrote: On 04-Dec-07, at 4:09 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: I have never had to use a CMS and know very little about them. I have a client who wants to update his site himself and my hosting company supports Joomla. My question is: do I design the site in the normal way and then append the CMS or is the site designed within Joomla? Am I restricted in design options? Lyn, I would highly recommend Textpattern for a simple site. My usual workflow is: 1. Mockups (PSD/Fireworks/paper) 2. xHTML/CSS templates 3. Integrate in Textpattern 4. Add salt Using any CMS requires a little bit of a shift in thinking, I suppose. However, the forums are relatively pleasant, and I'd be happy to help you with any questions that you have. Best, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ** Department of Innovation, Industry and Regional Development, Government of Victoria, Victoria, Australia. This e-mail and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not distribute reproduce this e-mail or the attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by return e-mail. ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
