Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Oh wow! That's great! Thank you so much! ---Original Message--- From: designer Date: 06/22/05 04:44:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Hi there! Hi Erica, See http://www.saila.com/usage/layouts/nn4-layouts.shtml for examples of CSS layouts for Netscape 4. Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk -- Erica Jean wrote: Ah. Alright. Thank you for the clarification, and thank you for letting me know that Netscape 4 supports stylesheets at all. I didn't realize that there was /any/ stylesheet support for NS and IE 4. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Hi Erica, See http://www.saila.com/usage/layouts/nn4-layouts.shtml for examples of CSS layouts for Netscape 4. Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk -- Erica Jean wrote: Ah. Alright. Thank you for the clarification, and thank you for letting me know that Netscape 4 supports stylesheets at all. I didn't realize that there was /any/ stylesheet support for NS and IE 4. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: Re: [WSG] Hi there!
I would check your web logs to answer this question. Using a program such as Web Trends to generate reports, you can then tell where your traffic is coming from and what your web site visitors are using browser wise. Jeff > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/06/21 Tue PM 03:07:41 EDT > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Hi there! > > Thanks! Jeff http://www.patandjeff.com * * Visit http://www.websites4199.com for an alternative to high development prices! Visit http://www.milliondollarsites.net if you just got to spend the big bucks and brag about it. Hi Erica-- I'm new to the whole Web design thing, but to answer your question, I would say No. Granted that's just my opinion, but the way I see it, time marches on and so does the Web. regards, g. On Tue Jun 21 13:18 , 'Erica Jean' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: Hi there guys, I'm new :) My name is Erica and I'm a 21 year old graphic design student (only 2 more years to go! Yay!) I have a question though, and it's something that I've really been trying to put a lot of thought into. When building sites using the web standards, the stone-age browsers (Netscape and IE 4 are the two that I'm talking about specifically), are there really enough people out there with browsers that old that we should hack our CSS/etc to make things look okay to them? How exactly would you do that, anyway? If you're not using any design markup in your actual html document, and those browsers can't read CSS - do you make another site specifically for them? Do you create a page that asks for them to upgrade their browser? I can justify going back to IE 5.5, and even IE 5.0 to an extent... but is it really worth our time to go all the way back to the 4.0 browsers? Thanks for your opinions! -Erica Jean ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Hi, also note that when using XHTML, say with help from Designing with Webstandards from Jeffrey Zeldman, you can make a site that looks great in newer browsers, and also works in older browsers... Maarten Erica Jean wrote: Thanks to both of you for the links :) I really appreciate it ^^ ---Original Message--- From: Brian Cummiskey Date: 06/21/05 15:31:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Hi there! Erica Jean wrote: > > Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie http://wp.netscape.com/download/archive/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Thanks to both of you for the links :) I really appreciate it ^^ ---Original Message--- From: Brian Cummiskey Date: 06/21/05 15:31:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Hi there! Erica Jean wrote: > > Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie http://wp.netscape.com/download/archive/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Erica Jean wrote: Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie http://wp.netscape.com/download/archive/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Hi there!
http://browsers.evolt.org/ /ironic //posted using Netscape 4 & webmail. > Ah. Alright. Thank you for the clarification, and thank you for letting me > know that Netscape 4 supports stylesheets at all. I didn't realize that > there was any stylesheet support for NS and IE 4. > > Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Drake, Ted C. > Date: 06/21/05 14:58:00 > To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' > Subject: RE: [WSG] Hi there! > > There are people using netscape 4. They tend to be stuck in government > areas > that do not allow people to update their computers or those using old > programs that require this browser. > It's easy to satisfy their need for content and everyone else's desire for > pretty pages. Simply link to a basic css document that defines colors, > sizes > etc. Then import your advanced style sheets. NN4 does not recognize the > import function. > > Ted > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Erica Jean > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:19 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] Hi there! > > Hi there guys, I'm new :) My name is Erica and I'm a 21 year old graphic > design student (only 2 more years to go! Yay!) > > I have a question though, and it's something that I've really been trying > to > put a lot of thought into. > > When building sites using the web standards, the stone-age browsers > (Netscape and IE 4 are the two that I'm talking about specifically), are > there really enough people out there with browsers that old that we should > hack our CSS/etc to make things look okay to them? > > How exactly would you do that, anyway? If you're not using any design > markup > in your actual html document, and those browsers can't read CSS - do you > make another site specifically for them? Do you create a page that asks > for > them to upgrade their browser? > > I can justify going back to IE 5.5, and even IE 5.0 to an extent... but is > it really worth our time to go all the way back to the 4.0 browsers? > > Thanks for your opinions! > > -Erica Jean > > > > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Hi Erica-- I'm new to the whole Web design thing, but to answer your question, I would say No. Granted that's just my opinion, but the way I see it, time marches on and so does the Web. regards, g. On Tue Jun 21 13:18 , 'Erica Jean' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: Hi there guys, I'm new :) My name is Erica and I'm a 21 year old graphic design student (only 2 more years to go! Yay!) I have a question though, and it's something that I've really been trying to put a lot of thought into. When building sites using the web standards, the stone-age browsers (Netscape and IE 4 are the two that I'm talking about specifically), are there really enough people out there with browsers that old that we should hack our CSS/etc to make things look okay to them? How exactly would you do that, anyway? If you're not using any design markup in your actual html document, and those browsers can't read CSS - do you make another site specifically for them? Do you create a page that asks for them to upgrade their browser? I can justify going back to IE 5.5, and even IE 5.0 to an extent... but is it really worth our time to go all the way back to the 4.0 browsers? Thanks for your opinions! -Erica Jean ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Hi there!
Ah. Alright. Thank you for the clarification, and thank you for letting me know that Netscape 4 supports stylesheets at all. I didn't realize that there was any stylesheet support for NS and IE 4. Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? ---Original Message--- From: Drake, Ted C. Date: 06/21/05 14:58:00 To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Hi there! There are people using netscape 4. They tend to be stuck in government areas that do not allow people to update their computers or those using old programs that require this browser. It's easy to satisfy their need for content and everyone else's desire for pretty pages. Simply link to a basic css document that defines colors, sizes, etc. Then import your advanced style sheets. NN4 does not recognize the import function. Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erica JeanSent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:19 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Hi there! Hi there guys, I'm new :) My name is Erica and I'm a 21 year old graphic design student (only 2 more years to go! Yay!) I have a question though, and it's something that I've really been trying to put a lot of thought into. When building sites using the web standards, the stone-age browsers (Netscape and IE 4 are the two that I'm talking about specifically), are there really enough people out there with browsers that old that we should hack our CSS/etc to make things look okay to them? How exactly would you do that, anyway? If you're not using any design markup in your actual html document, and those browsers can't read CSS - do you make another site specifically for them? Do you create a page that asks for them to upgrade their browser? I can justify going back to IE 5.5, and even IE 5.0 to an extent... but is it really worth our time to go all the way back to the 4.0 browsers? Thanks for your opinions! -Erica Jean
RE: [WSG] Hi there!
There are people using netscape 4. They tend to be stuck in government areas that do not allow people to update their computers or those using old programs that require this browser. It's easy to satisfy their need for content and everyone else's desire for pretty pages. Simply link to a basic css document that defines colors, sizes, etc. Then import your advanced style sheets. NN4 does not recognize the import function. Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erica Jean Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Hi there! Hi there guys, I'm new :) My name is Erica and I'm a 21 year old graphic design student (only 2 more years to go! Yay!) I have a question though, and it's something that I've really been trying to put a lot of thought into. When building sites using the web standards, the stone-age browsers (Netscape and IE 4 are the two that I'm talking about specifically), are there really enough people out there with browsers that old that we should hack our CSS/etc to make things look okay to them? How exactly would you do that, anyway? If you're not using any design markup in your actual html document, and those browsers can't read CSS - do you make another site specifically for them? Do you create a page that asks for them to upgrade their browser? I can justify going back to IE 5.5, and even IE 5.0 to an extent... but is it really worth our time to go all the way back to the 4.0 browsers? Thanks for your opinions! -Erica Jean
[WSG] Hi there!
Hi there guys, I'm new :) My name is Erica and I'm a 21 year old graphic design student (only 2 more years to go! Yay!) I have a question though, and it's something that I've really been trying to put a lot of thought into. When building sites using the web standards, the stone-age browsers (Netscape and IE 4 are the two that I'm talking about specifically), are there really enough people out there with browsers that old that we should hack our CSS/etc to make things look okay to them? How exactly would you do that, anyway? If you're not using any design markup in your actual html document, and those browsers can't read CSS - do you make another site specifically for them? Do you create a page that asks for them to upgrade their browser? I can justify going back to IE 5.5, and even IE 5.0 to an extent... but is it really worth our time to go all the way back to the 4.0 browsers? Thanks for your opinions! -Erica Jean
