Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Scott, I think helping your client to install a proper web browser would also eliminate other website problems also. IE5 have terrible CSS support and you will need to make table design again to make a website look ok in IE5... dont even go there.!!! using a IE5 is really ancient nad

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Matt Fellows
As much as I agree to what your are saying regarding IE5, it is still ignoring the fact that people are using it, albeit a small proportion. If your client absolutely _needs_ it, then you will have to code for it. I think this has already been mentioned but perhaps if you could get a hold of some

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
In a way it's like designing websites for disabled people, it's probably 0.01% of the visitors, but we should provide ways for them to move around the website and make it more accessible, so it 0.5% uses IE5 then we should provide a website that is at least working properly (I wouldn't be

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread David Hucklesby
On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:04:44 +0300, Michael Persson wrote: Dear Scott, I think helping your client to install a proper web browser would also eliminate other website problems also. IE5 have terrible CSS support and you will need to make table design again to make a website look ok in

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-11 Thread Scott Elcomb
On 5/8/08, chris | chrisbuttery.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm relatively new to this group this is my first post. So here goes. Same here. (Hi all!) The client sent me a screen shot of the site taken from their browser ( IE5...which i don't have ) that basically displayed a

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-09 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 8 May 2008, at 22:50, Michael Horowitz wrote: I don't think it is worth the time an effort to support old browsers like IE 5. Agreed. I go back as far as IE6 because last time I checked my site logs just over 44% of IE users were using that version (with just over 55% using v7). IE5

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Adam Martin
Our contract that is signed by the client informs them of what versions we program for. We also ask what browser the vlient is using - i.e 5 is very very old and we never support it. On Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:54 +1000, chris | chrisbuttery.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Jason Ray
As a web designer, you should test your website in both current and older browser versions (within reason!) - and get your friends to look at it on their systems as well. This will help you see if there are colour inconsistencies as well as coding ones. Unless you are designing for an intranet and

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread 8bits Media
Hi Chris, In some cases customers are locked into to using a particular browser because of the Standard Operating Environment within their company. If this isn't the case, you should try and convince your customer to upgrade to a newer browser. Other than that, if you have access to a

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Paul Birnstihl
Hi everyone, My first post also... Have a look at http://browsershots.org/ It's not perfect as it generates only static pics but there are a lot of browsers covered... chris | chrisbuttery.com wrote: Hi All, I'm relatively new to this group this is my first post. So here goes. My

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
On 08-May-08, at 11:16 AM, chris | chrisbuttery.com wrote: Do you have older browsers handy to test them with? Yes, and now you can too [1]! Multiple IEs allows you to run copies of various versions of IE, going all the way back to IE3. I have noticed that conditional comments do _not_

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Fuji kusaka
Hi Chris The best thing to do is to download Multiple Ie and install it on your machine. Quite small actually but really good to test. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE Fuji On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:46 AM, chris | chrisbuttery.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I'm relatively new to

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Chris, The only way is to develop the website for the most use browsers, IE6, and also respect the new softwares like FF and Safari browsers. IE5 dont support a lot of CSS at all and its not wort trying to fic the problem. You are not god but tell the client to get a deascent browser in

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Ben Buchanan
My question to you guys is how do you develop test your websites to ensure they are interpreted correctly by older more popular browsers ? Do you have older browsers handy to test them with? Personally I wouldn't support IE5 for a full design, it's just too old - for many reasons they should

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread chris | chrisbuttery.com
Hi All, Thanks so much for all the feedback. This is fantastic. I really appreciate it. Thanks again Chris Ben Buchanan wrote: My question to you guys is how do you develop test your websites to ensure they are interpreted correctly by older more popular browsers ? Do you have older

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Léo Siqueira
Hello Chris, also u cant use this too: http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage. It IETester and this program have 4 versions of IE (5.5, 6, 7 and 8 beta 1). I use the Multiple IE too, but a have some unexpected problems when i try to view some site in IE 5.5 version !!! Enjoy !!!

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Alan Cocks
I haven't used the Tredosoft version of multiple IEs,but I did use an earlier incarnation of the same approach in 2005, withIE4, IE5.0 and 5.5 among the browsers I tested. The results were notencouraging. This approach is much more lightweight than having to first downloadmultiple virtual

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
IE5 ? Each time I hear about IE5 I want to laugh, honestly, IE6 is old, and most companies that actually create revenue in our modern times use Vista and IE7, who would worry/use IE5? My friend who I just finished designing website for is using IE6 but his computer is like 2-3 years old, what kind

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Ted Drake
libraries, government organizations, military, and other large organizations have locked down computers that don't allow installation of fire fox. They also have purpose built web applications that only run in IE6 that are critical for their day to day jobs. That is a major reason for the

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Krystian - Sunlust wrote: IE5 ? Each time I hear about IE5 I want to laugh, honestly, IE6 is old, and most companies that actually create revenue in our modern times use Vista and IE7, who would worry/use IE5? My friend who I just finished designing website for is using IE6 but his computer is

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-08 Thread Michael Horowitz
I don't think it is worth the time an effort to support old browsers like IE 5. There aren't enough users who are surfing the web using such old equipment to be worth the development time and expense. There is always another browser to test. I think we need to focus on the major ways people