RE: [WSG] character codes and accessibility
Hi Luc, As regards the question what does a screen reader do? I'm afraid I've no idea. I think this is best served with the image. One image in the CSS as opposed to multiple character codes in the HTML. Yup, but a wanted to stray away from the tradional path ;-) What i was worried about is the way how screen readers would interprete it. Apart from the extraneous code, it would come in handy as font sizing let's those tiny images (in my case it's a bread crumb trail) be tiny on bigger font sizes I went through this recently with #9733; #9734; (stars). NVDA and JAWS ignored these HTML entities, so my guess is that they would ignore #x00BB; This is to reply to your question though, not to say that I agree with your ;-) HTH -- Regards, Thierry | www.tjkdesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] character codes and accessibility
Good evening list, When you use a character code, e.g. #x00BB; as a list marker (hardcoded in the li), how is that interpreted by a speech browser? Does the user hear those characters as they appear or are they converted into 'double right arrow'? Might be a stupid question but it would prevent using background images -- Regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Pussy Galore: My name is Pussy Galore. - James Bond: I must be dreaming. - Bond meets Pussy Galore - Goldfinger (film 1964) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] character codes and accessibility
Hi Luc, I might suggest that 'double right arrow' is purely presentational and not 'semantically' relevant, so it's not such a good idea to muddy up the HTML with extraneous code. If you want to avoid using a background image you could write your CSS in a 'progressive enhancement' fashion by using the :after property on the list items. Of course browsers that don't understand that will not display the arrows. As regards the question what does a screen reader do? I'm afraid I've no idea. I think this is best served with the image. One image in the CSS as opposed to multiple character codes in the HTML. Regards, John Unsworth 2009/11/15 Luc l...@dzinelabs.com: Good evening list, When you use a character code, e.g. #x00BB; as a list marker (hardcoded in the li), how is that interpreted by a speech browser? Does the user hear those characters as they appear or are they converted into 'double right arrow'? Might be a stupid question but it would prevent using background images -- Regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Pussy Galore: My name is Pussy Galore. - James Bond: I must be dreaming. - Bond meets Pussy Galore - Goldfinger (film 1964) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] character codes and accessibility
Hello John, JU I might suggest that 'double right arrow' is purely presentational and JU not 'semantically' relevant, so it's not such a good idea to muddy up JU the HTML with extraneous code. If you want to avoid using a background JU image you could write your CSS in a 'progressive enhancement' fashion JU by using the :after property on the list items. Of course browsers JU that don't understand that will not display the arrows. Yeah, i know that the :after property doesn't work on all browsers, that's why i've always used an image. JU As regards the question what does a screen reader do? I'm afraid I've no idea. JU I think this is best served with the image. One image in the CSS as JU opposed to multiple character codes in the HTML. Yup, but a wanted to stray away from the tradional path ;-) What i was worried about is the way how screen readers would interprete it. Apart from the extraneous code, it would come in handy as font sizing let's those tiny images (in my case it's a bread crumb trail) be tiny on bigger font sizes -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
