Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
Before you add accesskeys, check out http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9 ... basically the errata captures best practice methodology as it evolved in the years after WCAG 1.0 was released. Accesskeys are problematic between it says not to use them... but ... what about mobile sites? (where you might want to use keypad shortcuts for ease of use with a very tiny mobile phone screen) WCAG 1.0 was released in 1999 - ie. before people seriously started using the web on mobiles - and the errata address WCAG 1.0. Realistically it's about web pages for computers, not mobile-specific web pages. For mobile sites, I'd look at Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 ( http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/), released just a few weeks back. Based off a *very* quick look, it does appear to recommend/allow accesskeys, although given that this directly conflicts with the Samurai-updated guidelines for general web pages, I'd only use accesskeys for *dedicated* mobile sites. If one site is doing both general web and mobile web duty, personally I'd suggest that conflicts should be resolved in favour of general web guidelines. At this stage, that's still doing the greatest good for the greatest number. But I'd also expect that this point will be debated more as the lines between mobile/general web blur further. cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
Before you add accesskeys, check out http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9 ... basically the errata captures best practice methodology as it evolved in the years after WCAG 1.0 was released. Accesskeys are problematic between it says not to use them... but ... what about mobile sites? (where you might want to use keypad shortcuts for ease of use with a very tiny mobile phone screen) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:25 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ I would say that unless you have a very specific need within a web app where you need to capture more usage options than just the standard mouse keyboard, don't use accesskeys. Don't use tabindex either. I hate running into cookie-cutter weblogs and such that don't need these things but use them anyway, making the expected use-case scenarios very confusing. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Buchanan Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:21 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys Before you add accesskeys, check out http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9 ... basically the errata captures best practice methodology as it evolved in the years after WCAG 1.0 was released. Accesskeys are problematic between it says not to use them... but ... what about mobile sites? (where you might want to use keypad shortcuts for ease of use with a very tiny mobile phone screen) WCAG 1.0 was released in 1999 - ie. before people seriously started using the web on mobiles - and the errata address WCAG 1.0. Realistically it's about web pages for computers, not mobile-specific web pages. For mobile sites, I'd look at Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0 (http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/), released just a few weeks back. Based off a *very* quick look, it does appear to recommend/allow accesskeys, although given that this directly conflicts with the Samurai-updated guidelines for general web pages, I'd only use accesskeys for *dedicated* mobile sites. If one site is doing both general web and mobile web duty, personally I'd suggest that conflicts should be resolved in favour of general web guidelines. At this stage, that's still doing the greatest good for the greatest number. But I'd also expect that this point will be debated more as the lines between mobile/general web blur further. May be a better approach would be to use a script that lets the user turn accesskeys on. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
May be a better approach would be to use a script that lets the user turn accesskeys on. If you are talking about any kind of client side scripting, such as javascript that is a big no-no ... as very few phones are likely to support it! yes the iPhone can do javascript and to a limited extent Opera Lite (as in running on their server rather than on the phone iteself)... but is there much else? ... those would probably currently account for only a very tiny fraction of real-world mobile traffic. ... and can I trust EVERY phone browser to completely ignore scripting that it doesn't support? ...without the resources to test on a wide variety of phones I take the route of caution - though I can see myself probably having to install WURFL eventually (a database of known phone models and their capabilities - browser sniffing taken to the extreme!) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael MD Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:03 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys May be a better approach would be to use a script that lets the user turn accesskeys on. If you are talking about any kind of client side scripting, such as javascript that is a big no-no ... as very few phones are likely to support it! No, it'd be server-side (as the solution I posted earlier). -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Gonzalo González Mora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dwain, You might find this article interesting: http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-too-much-accessibility-accesskeys/ Make sure you read the comments, theres' some really good info there. thanks gonzalo, i'll give it a read. cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/user_defined_accesskeys.asp thanks thierry, i know this will be a good one. cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. Before you add accesskeys, check out http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9 ... basically the errata captures best practice methodology as it evolved in the years after WCAG 1.0 was released. Accesskeys are problematic between browsers and other software so in general I think the concensus is to concentrate on making the site accessible and usable without custom keyboard controls. eg. rather than an accesskey for your site's search box, use your skip menu to provide a jump link at the start of the document (and not everyone will agree with me even on that point ;)). It's kind of similar to the whole issue of tabindex - don't use it, instead make sure the natural tab order is logical. Same general principle. cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before you add accesskeys, check out http://www.wcagsamurai.org/errata/errata.html#GL9 hoo hah, that's some pretty heavy stuff. what an eye opener. i guess i've done about all i can do except for a skip nav to content link. i've used all the accessibility tools at my disposal and i seem to be in compliance. i guess you can't cover all of the accessibility bases for everybody, but you can be as accessible as you can be. thanks for the great read. cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] best practices for using access keys
i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ cheers, dwain -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Hi Dwain, You might find this article interesting: http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/articles/too-much-accessibility/too-too-much-accessibility-accesskeys/Make sure you read the comments, theres' some really good info there. Gonzalo González Mora *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] best practices for using access keys
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:25 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] best practices for using access keys i've read the following two articles and i would entertain some feedback on using access keys. i'm slowly bringing my web site up to better accessibility standards and i have a few more things to do like add a skip nav link and access keys. any other articles and resources would be appreciated for both subjects. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/accesskeys/ http://www.sitepoint.com/article/accesskeys/ http://tjkdesign.com/articles/user_defined_accesskeys.asp -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
