Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stephen Stagg wrote: And how, pray tell, would a screen reader know - based on a series of presentational rules - what the meaning of a made-up tag soup is? The same way that they would with normal HTML, by reading the XML, and the stylesheet and guessing, if an element has the

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 10 Feb 2006, at 19:14, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Stephen Stagg wrote: And how, pray tell, would a screen reader know - based on a series of presentational rules - what the meaning of a made-up tag soup is? The same way that they would with normal HTML, by reading the XML, and the

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stephen Stagg wrote: Screen readers look at the structure of the document, which is clearly defined as it's standardised in the HTML specification. And they PRESENT it to someone with visual impairment, The presentational properties should be set in the presentational layer So by your

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: generic XML + CSS would be meaningless without some third technology that defines semantics (a DTD, XBL, etc) Neither a DTD nor XBL define document semantics at all. A DTD only defines the document syntax and structure. XBL is only a binding language for attaching

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-09 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stephen Stagg wrote: I understand that this is already possible in most modern browsers but it will never be used or properly implemented unless HTML is dropped as a language. Worried about screen-readers? I don't see why, the screen-readers would have to parse the CSS to find clues about

Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
Sorry, it's late in England. I'm gonna go to bed now :)How could you know what style to apply to meaningless content?That's what the style-sheet is for.  We are relying more and more on the display: element of CSS, why not define a well-thought out and extensible set of display types to replace