Re: [WSG] Reset CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Joseph Taylor
The reset.css (in the form you mention) first came about from css 
developers who set the same defaults again and again as they made 
sites.  They obviously realized they repeated themselves and eventually 
created a separate stylesheet to handle that.  I did this myself (I 
chose the name global.css).


I'd end up with a css structure like:

/CSS/
-
- reset.css (set universal defaults)
- screen.css (set screen defaults)
- mypage.css (page specific styles)
- print.css (set print defaults)
- handheld.css (small screen defaults)

As far as using frameworks, its a great idea that has far to go still so 
use sparingly.  I prefer the http://960.gs framework.  Low on bloat.  
Again use sparingly.


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Miles Menegon wrote:

Hello all,
 
Wondering what your thoughts are on whether to use  a 'reset' 
framework for CSS.  I've noticed that quite a few people on the list 
use it to try to overcome default browser behaviour / user-defined 
browser preferences.
 
I understand the benefit of trying to level the playing field in terms 
of cross-browser rendering, but shouldn't we be giving users at least 
some control over how they like to view the web?  And by using a 
'reset' framework, aren't we just compensating for poor standards 
compliance on behalf of IE?  How does a reset framework compare with 
an IE-only stylesheet, for instance?
 
Thoughts...
 
M
 


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RE: [WSG] Reset CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
 Wondering what your thoughts are on whether to use  a 'reset'
framework for CSS
 
I wouldn't label it a framework since it's effectively just a single,
simple style sheet. For me it's benefits are

*   one initial place to reset margins, paddings (saves me from
doing this over and over again for individual elements)
*   re-usability across projects as a component in my framework
*   using a tried-and-tested piece of code (since I rely on Eric
Meyer's version)

I don't see the user control aspect that much. Users usually control
view port and font sizes, some might have custom style sheets and those
can manipulate styles as they see fit.
 
I think a reset style sheet compensates for different browser defaults
rather than for poor standards compliance. Look at Safari and Opera,
two very compliant browsers, and compare their defaults on margin and
padding. It's like trying to build a house on wooden poles which you've
sourced from all over the world, the first thing you'd do is make sure
they're all the same length by adding and cutting as necessary.
 
IE-only style sheets have their rightful place. I had projects where I
even had an IE6-only stylesheet because I needed so many fixes for that
browser (see the recent png thread). IE-only files are yet one more
component in my framework.
 
Cheers,
 
Jens 

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