Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
 but the point of IT is to make life easier. So it is the responsibility of
 the OOON setter to make heir OOON not mailstorm their lists and add more
 email to the already massive amount mail servers have to deal with.

 No to mention, this discussion would then be filtered out, so you wouldn't
 have been able to participate in this discussion.

 I believe in stopping the waste at source (conservation) over trying to fix
 it further down the line (recycling) as it is less work and a lighter load
 that way.

That is all true, however… there will always be someone who
forgets/does not know how to
set up ooon properly - and no policies will save from that, so the
only effective way to
get rid of this kind of messages is to configure the mailing list
software to take care of it.

Of all the lists I am subscribed to WSG is the only one where these
messages get through.
I guess there are valid reasons why this is this way, but if it is
fixable on ML side
that would be a welcome change indeed.

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RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread Patrick Lauke
wondering what part of THREAD CLOSED people don't understand...


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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread Henrik Madsen


Funniest thing I've read all day!

Sorry.

Thread closed.



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wondering what part of THREAD CLOSED people don't understand...


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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!

2008-11-06 Thread russ - maxdesign
THREAD CLOSED

If there are any more posts to this thread I will have to come to your
houses, one at a time...

Comments? Do so offlist.

Please, do not continue this pointless discussion.
Thanks
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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!

2008-11-06 Thread 8bits Media

Russ,

Will you be bringing a cake?

Nick.

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RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread michael.brockington
That would (probably) be part of the wonders of 'Threaded' view in
Outlook: the 'Thread Closed' message is always filed in a different
place from the thread that you are reading!

Mike 

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 wondering what part of THREAD CLOSED people don't understand...

I have always had trouble understanding messages that I do not see.


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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
 wondering what part of THREAD CLOSED people don't understand...

I have always had trouble understanding messages that I do not see.


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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!

2008-11-06 Thread Andrew Boyd

And I'll bring the beer! :)

Sent from my iPhone.



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Russ,

Will you be bringing a cake?

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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!

2008-11-06 Thread Brett Patterson
And I'll bring the empty belly.

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 And I'll bring the beer! :)

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RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread David Fuller :: magickweb
Brett

 

While I agree they can be annoying, they are quite a useful thing for normal
circumstances.

 

They are generally set up by the person who owns the email address
(sometimes by their network admin etc).

 

Basically say if you were going away for 2 weeks, but didn't want people
thinking you were ignoring them (handy for work etc) you would set up the
auto responder with that message.

 

That's about it..

 

Hope that helps.

 

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Are these away on leave notices from people who manage the
webstandardsgroup.org site? Or individual people? It is kinda getting
annoying?
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2008-11-05 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Brett Patterson
Oh. I have always just set mine up to not send out for specific e-mail
addresses. Sorry, did not mean to exasperate the issue. I did not know it
was one.

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RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:20 PM
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Brett

While I agree they can be annoying, they are quite a useful thing for normal
circumstances.

They are generally set up by the person who owns the email address
(sometimes by their network admin etc).

Basically say if you were going away for 2 weeks, but didn't want people
thinking you were ignoring them (handy for work etc) you would set up the
auto responder with that message.





Yeah, we have the same problem with people who request a read receipt and
those who choose to reply yes.

;-)



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RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Christie Mason
Yep, but they're just a little less annoying than read receipts.

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RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-05 Thread Chris Vickery
If you're using outlook just set up a rule. Something like...

Where the subject line contains out of the office or autoreply then move it 
to (trash or junk mail or a subfolder)

Works most of the time.

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Just auto replies from list members away on leave (who have set their 'out of 
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It is annoying, but in saying that I'm probably guilty of it at times ;)


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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Brett Patterson
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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2008-11-05 Thread russ - maxdesign
ENOUGH!

THREAD CLOSED

1. the issue is something we are aware of. The entire mail system will soon
be changing so this issue will no longer be present. Please be patient.

2. We have just had 13 people complain about it, on list, which has created
more noise than the last month of real away on leave emails.

3. Any issues/suggestions you have, we would love to hear them - but not on
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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Joe Ortenzi
can we ask all Out of Office notification users to set their notices  
to only do this once per address per week (so repeated emails do not  
generate a mailstorm) rather than for each email received or perhaps  
get the mailing list itself to try and filter out the out of office  
replies. I agree it is disconcerting.


Joe

On 06/11/2008, at 8:20 AM, David Fuller :: magickweb wrote:


Brett

While I agree they can be annoying, they are quite a useful thing  
for normal circumstances.


They are generally set up by the person who owns the email address  
(sometimes by their network admin etc).


Basically say if you were going away for 2 weeks, but didn’t want  
people thinking you were ignoring them (handy for work etc) you  
would set up the auto responder with that message.


That’s about it..

Hope that helps.

David Fuller
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Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 7:06 AM
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Subject: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

Are these away on leave notices from people who manage the  
webstandardsgroup.org site? Or individual people? It is kinda  
getting annoying?

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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Joe Ortenzi
this would be a useful and important addition to the mailing  
guidelines I would have to say, yes.


Joe

On 06/11/2008, at 8:47 AM, Brett Patterson wrote:

Oh. I have always just set mine up to not send out for specific e- 
mail addresses. Sorry, did not mean to exasperate the issue. I did  
not know it was one.


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Paul Bennett  
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Just auto replies from list members away on leave (who have set  
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It is annoying, but in saying that I'm probably guilty of it at  
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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Of course OOOR notices are important but it is a trivial matter to set  
a list of addresses or domains this notice does not affect OR to send  
the OOOR to each email address only once in a week, so the sender  
knows you're out but does not have to receive your notice everyday.


Joe

On 06/11/2008, at 8:47 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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Behalf Of David Fuller :: magickweb
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:20 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

Brett

While I agree they can be annoying, they are quite a useful thing  
for normal

circumstances.

They are generally set up by the person who owns the email address
(sometimes by their network admin etc).

Basically say if you were going away for 2 weeks, but didn't want  
people
thinking you were ignoring them (handy for work etc) you would set  
up the

auto responder with that message.





Yeah, we have the same problem with people who request a read  
receipt and

those who choose to reply yes.

;-)



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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-05 Thread Joe Ortenzi
but the point of IT is to make life easier. So it is the  
responsibility of the OOON setter to make heir OOON not mailstorm  
their lists and add more email to the already massive amount mail  
servers have to deal with.


No to mention, this discussion would then be filtered out, so you  
wouldn't have been able to participate in this discussion.


I believe in stopping the waste at source (conservation) over trying  
to fix it further down the line (recycling) as it is less work and a  
lighter load that way.


joe


On 06/11/2008, at 8:55 AM, Chris Vickery wrote:


If you're using outlook just set up a rule. Something like...

Where the subject line contains out of the office or autoreply  
then move it to (trash or junk mail or a subfolder)


Works most of the time.

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Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 8:32 AM
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

Just auto replies from list members away on leave (who have set  
their 'out of office' setting to 'on')


It is annoying, but in saying that I'm probably guilty of it at  
times ;)



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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Dave Lane
Looking at list message headers, I see that it mentions Precedence:
list as do most widely used list managers like the open source
Majordomo and Mailman systems.  Other lists use Precedence: bulk.
According to RFC 3834, the Precedence header field is strictly not
recommended, but says that autoresponders (e.g.
out-of-office-notification (ooon) systems) may choose not to respond.

Smart ooon systems (like the open source vacation autoresponder
available on any Linux/UNIX server) don't send ooons to lists or other
bulk mail senders that identify themselves as such using the Precedence
header field, as it's more or less universally undesirable to do so
(just like the use of return receipts for list posts).

Unfortunately, it's clear that many subscribers on this list don't use
ooon services that recognise the list designation - perhaps they can
raise their games (especially given that the software required is
completely free for them to use).

Apparently even Microsoft Exchange is smart enough to avoid sending ooon
to messages flagged with the Precedence: bulk or list.  A brief survey
of Google indicates that Lotus Domino mail may not be, however...  not
sure about other widely used mail systems.

Regards,

Dave

Joe Ortenzi wrote:
 this would be a useful and important addition to the mailing guidelines
 I would have to say, yes.
 
 Joe
 
 On 06/11/2008, at 8:47 AM, Brett Patterson wrote:
 
 Oh. I have always just set mine up to not send out for specific e-mail
 addresses. Sorry, did not mean to exasperate the issue. I did not know
 it was one.

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just auto replies from list members away on leave (who have set
 their 'out of office' setting to 'on')

 It is annoying, but in saying that I'm probably guilty of it at
 times ;)


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