Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/19/ie7beta_patch_glitch/You should think twice before installing any Microsoft Better products. On 01/02/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded IE7 Beta 2 and I have looked at a couple of my sites. I have found some problems (never mind how slow the programs is). I use some * html hacks and some display: inline block tricks to emulate tables in IE's 6 and lower. Are there resources for ways to fix these hacks that are backward compatible or is the only way the method suggested by IE team which is to use conditional comments in the *head* and use a separate stylesheet? Jay -- Jay Gilmore U)SmashingRed Web Marketing B)Jay Gilmore's SmashingRed Blog P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
2006-02-01
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could the new IE 7 beta 2 or beta 1 , can they be installed on Service pack 1 ? - coz I don't have SP2 jet :S :) 2006/2/1, Miles Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/19/ie7beta_patch_glitch/You should think twice before installing any Microsoft Better products. On 01/02/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded IE7 Beta 2 and I have looked at a couple of my sites. I have found some problems (never mind how slow the programs is). I use some * html hacks and some display: inline block tricks to emulate tables in IE's 6 and lower. Are there resources for ways to fix these hacks that are backward compatible or is the only way the method suggested by IE team which is to use conditional comments in the *head* and use a separate stylesheet? Jay -- Jay Gilmore U)SmashingRed Web Marketing B)Jay Gilmore's SmashingRed Blog P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
Thanks, but I fail to see what this has to do with the Beta 2 version. The Beta 2 version is installed on top of IE 6 and acts as it should so far. I am assuming that they have fixed any issues with Beta 1 before releasing a public beta. I have uninstalled it and all works fine in IE6 but what I want to make sure is that I can fix issues with my previous designs so that they don't remain broken in IE7 when it is in GA release. I will restate my question to be more clear: Are there any resources, index, tables or references on specific differences between IE7 box model and other browsers that will enable me to check and correct for layout issues that will exist on designs in IE 7? I don't want to have to try tweaking every single line of my stylesheets to GUESS if I have fixed it (as we all know, just because it LOOKS right in the browser doesn't mean that it IS right). There are two places I have found issues. One relates to display:table-cell and display: table. In addition I have some odd margins/padding issues with one site that doesn't exist in other sites with similar layout. All the best, Jay Jay Gilmore U)SmashingRed Web Marketing B)Jay Gilmore's SmashingRed Blog P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Miles Davies wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/19/ie7beta_patch_glitch/ You should think twice before installing any Microsoft Better products. On 01/02/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded IE7 Beta 2 and I have looked at a couple of my sites. I have found some problems (never mind how slow the programs is). I use some * html hacks and some display: inline block tricks to emulate tables in IE's 6 and lower. Are there resources for ways to fix these hacks that are backward compatible or is the only way the method suggested by IE team which is to use conditional comments in the *head* and use a separate stylesheet? Jay -- Jay Gilmore U)SmashingRed Web Marketing B)Jay Gilmore's SmashingRed Blog P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
Microsoft has newsgroups for identifying and reporting bugs. I blogged a for/against thing on IE7 preview beta 2 after having played with it for a morning, http://joahua.com/blog/2006/02/01/ie7-beta-2 , and discovered a zoom bug that doesn't play nice with CSS backgrounds. Bug is here: http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.generaltid=42be81fd-c05e-4b16-bac5-3976493b33a0cat=en_us_28cca3eb-7037-4d4f-bde1-d8efee1f1420lang=encr=ussloc=en-usm=1p=1 - please vote for it! Shameless self-promotion aside, that newsgroup looks like something to watch + be active in until it gets closer to final. We won't really know for sure what render bugs IE7 is going to have until we get there, but for now the best tactic is probably to treat it like a standards-compliant browser (because, from what I've seen of it, it's definitely getting there) and if you find problems report them. (And maybe shout about them in here so they get votes from people on list + get noticed + fixed!) A good first-step would be to ensure your conditional-comments are if lte IE 6, and see how IE7 goes then. Josh On 2/2/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, but I fail to see what this has to do with the Beta 2 version. The Beta 2 version is installed on top of IE 6 and acts as it should so far. I am assuming that they have fixed any issues with Beta 1 before releasing a public beta. I have uninstalled it and all works fine in IE6 but what I want to make sure is that I can fix issues with my previous designs so that they don't remain broken in IE7 when it is in GA release. I will restate my question to be more clear: Are there any resources, index, tables or references on specific differences between IE7 box model and other browsers that will enable me to check and correct for layout issues that will exist on designs in IE 7? I don't want to have to try tweaking every single line of my stylesheets to GUESS if I have fixed it (as we all know, just because it LOOKS right in the browser doesn't mean that it IS right). There are two places I have found issues. One relates to display:table-cell and display: table. In addition I have some odd margins/padding issues with one site that doesn't exist in other sites with similar layout. All the best, Jay Jay Gilmore U)SmashingRed Web Marketing B)Jay Gilmore's SmashingRed Blog P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Miles Davies wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/19/ie7beta_patch_glitch/ You should think twice before installing any Microsoft Better products. On 01/02/06, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded IE7 Beta 2 and I have looked at a couple of my sites. I have found some problems (never mind how slow the programs is). I use some * html hacks and some display: inline block tricks to emulate tables in IE's 6 and lower. Are there resources for ways to fix these hacks that are backward compatible or is the only way the method suggested by IE team which is to use conditional comments in the *head* and use a separate stylesheet? Jay ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 dumping ground for IE7 bugs -- —pd—
Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
Thats a big call Ted. Ill be happy to see that back of IE6 as much as anyone but I think it will be well into next year before IE7 overtakes IE6, even if they do roll it into XP SP3. Your right tho... We need to start planning for it. On 02/02/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will put my neck out on a limb right now and say that the majority of your traffic by the end of October will have the ability to use :hover pseudo classes, first-child, alpha-transparency png graphics, attribute selectors, etc. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
Todd Baker wrote: Thats a big call Ted. Ill be happy to see that back of IE6 as much as anyone but I think it will be well into next year before IE7 overtakes IE6, even if they do roll it into XP SP3. Your right tho... We need to start planning for it. On 02/02/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will put my neck out on a limb right now and say that the majority of your traffic by the end of October will have the ability to use :hover pseudo classes, first-child, alpha-transparency png graphics, attribute selectors, etc. I am just trying to plan ahead. I don't want to be building sites that have issues that I have to go back and fix when the GA release comes out. I have three sites with issues and want to correct them but also fear that it is to early to rely on the rendering in the current beta 2. I just don't want to be stuck with 10 projects on the go only to find that NOW I have to address these issues. -Jay ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE7 Now what?
You should seriously consider how you are doing your CSS right now and how you should begin planning for the not so distant future of IE6 being the minority browser. Microsoft wants to ditch IE6. IE7 will be part of a service pack upgrade to xp and as part of the fabled vista platform. Just because Microsoft *wants* to ditch IE6 doesn't mean it happen just like that. Based on that logic: considering how old IE6 is right now, you'd think that would mean nobody would be using IE5. Right? Wrong. I know thecounter isn't scientific, but it's a big sample; and they're still reporting 3% IE5.x. http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm shows up to 8% for some samples, which highlights the slow-moving software of large organisations (including .gov). In any case, that's a lot of people still sitting on *really* old software. Pushing IE7 out as part of a service pack doesn't guarantee anything either; consider all the users out there who don't have broadband yet - many of them don't install service packs. A lot of people just don't update their machines at all, for whatever reason. I will put my neck out on a limb right now and say that the majority of your traffic by the end of October will have the ability to use :hover pseudo classes, first-child, alpha-transparency png graphics, attribute selectors, etc. You are far more optimistic than I am. I'd guess a high take-up rate; but after the IE userbase gets to about 50/50 IE6/IE7 I think it will slow down a lot. We certainly won't be able to ignore IE6 in October. ...but, obviously, I really hope I'm wrong and you are right :) Further, they just announced their xmlhttp requests to match the other browsers. We will see better pages and markup very soon. If they've really fixed the CSS bugs they claim to have fixed, life will be much better. CSS layouts won't be subject to such a time blowout due to IE bugfixing, which will make it more likely that large firms will switch over from old school table designs. Consider this an open door. Remember the discussions about what true professional web developer is? Working towards an IE7 population is a true professional. Building pages with IE6 hacks is a 2005 professional. Personally I think it's worth showing some caution and waiting for the final release of IE7 before we start trying to design for it. A lot can change between beta and final release. Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
