RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
I'm afraid this doesn't give me much confidence when your label for HTML5 is (X)HTML 5 One of the major points about HTML5 is that it is _not_ XML based. Second point would be what do you mean by Block(ish)? Regards, Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
On 11/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid this doesn't give me much confidence when your label for HTML5 is (X)HTML 5 One of the major points about HTML5 is that it is _not_ XML based. The HTML 5 WG have not only a non-SGML serialisation for text/html as one of their chartered deliverables, but also an XML serialisation that is intended to replace XHTML1.0/1.1. See the HTML WG charter: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/HTML-WG-charter 2. Deliverables 2.1 New publications and Milestones There is a single specification deliverable for the HTML Working Group, the HTML specification, a platform-neutral and device-independent design with the following items in scope: * A language evolved from HTML4 for describing the semantics of documents and applications on the World Wide Web. This will be a complete specification, not a delta specification. * An extensible, serialized form of such a language, using XML. * A serialized form of such a language using a defined, non-XML syntax compatible with the 'classic HTML' parsers of existing Web browsers. * Document Object Model (DOM) interfaces providing APIs for such a language. * Forms and common UI widgets such as progress bars, datagrids, menus, and other controls. * APIs for the manipulation of linked media. * Editing APIs and user-driven WYSIWYG editing features. Second point would be what do you mean by Block(ish)? Elements that behave like block level elements, I'd say. -- David liorean Andersson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: I'm afraid this doesn't give me much confidence when your label for HTML5 is (X)HTML 5 One of the major points about HTML5 is that it is _not_ XML based. Already answered by liorean. May I add that prominent members of the WHAT-WG mailing list have read and OK'd my document as well. Second point would be what do you mean by Block(ish)? Block(-ish)/Inline(-ish)/Table refers to default CSS rendering. Blockish: Real block elements, list-item Table-ish: table, table-row-group, table-header-group, table-footer-group, table-row, table-column-group, table-column, table-cell, table-caption No element defaults to: run-in, inline-block, inline-table, marker or compact. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
On 10 Aug 2007, at 09:34, Tee G. Peng wrote: I think bottom posting (is this how it's called?) is equally bad when one needs to scroll all the way down to read a few line of message. The solution to this problem is not top posting (digest users still have to scroll past the entire repeated messages), it is limiting quotes to only relevant material. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
Lars Thanks for this, it is a handy reference. Especially with XHTML mobile. -- Nick Cowie http://nickcowie.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
Frank Palinkas wrote: Hi Lars, Thanks for the hard work and time taken to do this. It's appreciated. May I make one suggestion please? The character reference (#10003;) you're using for the checkmark symbol does not render in IE6 or below. However, it does render perfectly in the latest versions of Opera, Firefox, Netscape and Safari for Windows. IE 6 and below renders it as a plain square box. If you don't mind this occurring in IE 6 and below, then please ignore my comment. If it is of importance, then maybe using a plus (+) sign (#043;) or another cross-browser recognized character reference will do. Thanks again, Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer website: http://frank.helpware.net email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member: Society for Technical Communications (S.T.C.) Guild of Accessible Web Designers (G.A.W.D.S.) Web Standards Group (W.S.G.) Supergroup Trading Ltd. Sandhurst, Gauteng, South Africa website: http://www.supergroup.co.za Work: +27 011 523 4931 Home: +27 011 455 5287 Fax:+27 011 455 3112 Mobile: +27 074 109 1908 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Thursday, 09 August, 2007 22:57 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link Andrew Freedman skrev: Any chance that you could perhaps upload the page or post the correct link? Ooops! http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml Sorry all! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** But it's not supposed to work in ie5, 6 or 7. It's a XHTML document. Internet Explorer is rubbish, does not support Web Standards and has zero support for XHTML. Hopefully IE8 will support XHTML, but don't hold your breath. Dean Edridge *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
On 10 Aug 2007, at 08:53, Dean Edridge wrote: But it's not supposed to work in ie5, 6 or 7. It's a XHTML document. But why? I can't see anything that could not be expressed in HTML in that document. Internet Explorer is rubbish Its improving. does not support Web Standards Nor does anything else, at least not completely. IE might be lagging behind, but its catching up. and has zero support for XHTML. I'd far rather see bugs fixed then new features added. Client side XHTML support would bring benefits to far fewer authors then fixing all the interesting CSS bugs would. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
David Dorward skrev: On 10 Aug 2007, at 08:53, Dean Edridge wrote: But it's not supposed to work in ie5, 6 or 7. It's a XHTML document. But why? I can't see anything that could not be expressed in HTML in that document. XSLT and perhaps SVG is coming... Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:53 AM, Dean Edridge wrote: Frank Palinkas wrote: Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer website: http://frank.helpware.net email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member: Society for Technical Communications (S.T.C.) Guild of Accessible Web Designers (G.A.W.D.S.)Web Standards Group (W.S.G.) Supergroup Trading Ltd. Sandhurst, Gauteng, South Africa website: http://www.supergroup.co.za Work: +27 011 523 4931 Home: +27 011 455 5287 Fax:+27 011 455 3112 Mobile: +27 074 109 1908 Wow! this is the longer signature I ever seen and it's quite unpleasant to need to scorll down in order to read the message. Sorry, Dean and Frank, I am not making any compliant. I am here to learn the best web practise from many of you guys and I see that some of the members condemn top posting; I think bottom posting (is this how it's called?) is equally bad when one needs to scroll all the way down to read a few line of message. I think this is one of the accessible issue perhaps not many people pay attention to. One of my client is semi-paralyze and doesn't make use of assistive software because, according to her, it's too expensive and too much learning curve. One time she made a comment to me that I should write my message in the top so that she doesn't need to scroll all the way down ( I always trim my post when I response). I was in her office recently and witnessed how she uses computer, it was unimaginable inconvenient and uncomfortable for me to watch. She has mobile problem on her hands too. I watched her literally spending some 3 or 4 minutes to scroll all the way down in order to read an email. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
David Dorward wrote: On 10 Aug 2007, at 08:53, Dean Edridge wrote: But it's not supposed to work in ie5, 6 or 7. It's a XHTML document. But why? I can't see anything that could not be expressed in HTML in that document. Internet Explorer is rubbish Its improving. does not support Web Standards Nor does anything else, at least not completely. IE might be lagging behind, but its catching up. and has zero support for XHTML. I'd far rather see bugs fixed then new features added. Client side XHTML support would bring benefits to far fewer authors then fixing all the interesting CSS bugs would. David. New features added. Really? I don't think I'm asking too much to be able to use features that have been W3C recommendations for 8 years. Nor was I suggesting that bug fixing be overlooked as these new features be added. It's not for you or anyone else to decide that XHTML has little benefits and then push for the deprecation of it. Pretending that Internet Explorer has not held back the progress of the web is not in the best interest of Web Standards in general. It's 2007, surely people should be able to use XHTML and SVG by now. Dean Edridge *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
Hi Tee, Thanks! Point noted and understood. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tee G. Peng Sent: Friday, 10 August, 2007 10:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:53 AM, Dean Edridge wrote: Frank Palinkas wrote: Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer website: http://frank.helpware.net email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member: Society for Technical Communications (S.T.C.) Guild of Accessible Web Designers (G.A.W.D.S.)Web Standards Group (W.S.G.) Supergroup Trading Ltd. Sandhurst, Gauteng, South Africa website: http://www.supergroup.co.za Work: +27 011 523 4931 Home: +27 011 455 5287 Fax:+27 011 455 3112 Mobile: +27 074 109 1908 Wow! this is the longer signature I ever seen and it's quite unpleasant to need to scorll down in order to read the message. Sorry, Dean and Frank, I am not making any compliant. I am here to learn the best web practise from many of you guys and I see that some of the members condemn top posting; I think bottom posting (is this how it's called?) is equally bad when one needs to scroll all the way down to read a few line of message. I think this is one of the accessible issue perhaps not many people pay attention to. One of my client is semi-paralyze and doesn't make use of assistive software because, according to her, it's too expensive and too much learning curve. One time she made a comment to me that I should write my message in the top so that she doesn't need to scroll all the way down ( I always trim my post when I response). I was in her office recently and witnessed how she uses computer, it was unimaginable inconvenient and uncomfortable for me to watch. She has mobile problem on her hands too. I watched her literally spending some 3 or 4 minutes to scroll all the way down in order to read an email. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live
It's http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml (hyphen instead of underscore). -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live
Hello everyone on the mailing lists that I have used to produce my (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet! It is no longer called a cheat sheet, and it has gone live today. Check it out at http://keryx.se/resources/html_elements.xhtml and feel free to use it or as you please - or improve it! There are three versions: XHTML, PDF and Open Office. Use whichever you prefer. Content-type: application/xhtml+xml and CSS3 selectors are used. It may look bad in some browsers and MSIE will choke! As for accessibility: There are a lot of headers. It might not be easy to listen with a screen reader, and I have yet to solve the question about sub-section headers in my table. Lars Gunther P.S. It has been tested with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.22 The latter has a peculiar bug: The topleft corner in the table shall have no border top or left. Scroll down and the back up and a border will hang in the air...) Safari for Windows does not support the check mark #10003; but renders most things OK. Reason for XHTML: I intend to use some XSLT on this doc further ahead... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live
On 09/08/07, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is no longer called a cheat sheet, and it has gone live today. Check it out at http://keryx.se/resources/html_elements.xhtml and feel free to use it or as you please - or improve it! 404. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
Andrew Freedman skrev: Any chance that you could perhaps upload the page or post the correct link? Ooops! http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml Sorry all! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link
Hi Lars, Thanks for the hard work and time taken to do this. It's appreciated. May I make one suggestion please? The character reference (#10003;) you're using for the checkmark symbol does not render in IE6 or below. However, it does render perfectly in the latest versions of Opera, Firefox, Netscape and Safari for Windows. IE 6 and below renders it as a plain square box. If you don't mind this occurring in IE 6 and below, then please ignore my comment. If it is of importance, then maybe using a plus (+) sign (#043;) or another cross-browser recognized character reference will do. Thanks again, Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer website: http://frank.helpware.net email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member: Society for Technical Communications (S.T.C.) Guild of Accessible Web Designers (G.A.W.D.S.) Web Standards Group (W.S.G.) Supergroup Trading Ltd. Sandhurst, Gauteng, South Africa website: http://www.supergroup.co.za Work: +27 011 523 4931 Home: +27 011 455 5287 Fax: +27 011 455 3112 Mobile: +27 074 109 1908 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Thursday, 09 August, 2007 22:57 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link Andrew Freedman skrev: Any chance that you could perhaps upload the page or post the correct link? Ooops! http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements.xhtml Sorry all! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
