Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

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I'm guessing you don't actually administer a corporate size
spam-filtering 'solution' do you?  


I have spamassassin on the server, and thunderbird as client - and I 
rarely see spam make it through those and into my inbox. Does that count?


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RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-16 Thread michael.brockington
I'm guessing you don't actually administer a corporate size
spam-filtering 'solution' do you?  

(The word solution should really be in quadruple quotes, 'cos it ain't
one.)


Mike


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Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
 Although spam is a big red flag for many.

Which should ideally be solved at the email server + email 
client end, in my view.

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RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-16 Thread James Leslie
I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a
href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a

I don't know what you would gain by this Any bots harvesting email
addresses will just pick up on the address in the href.

Unfortunately, I think the only accessible way to do this is to have the
traditional form of email address being used and getting server side
protection from spam. If you don't care about accessibility (though you
wouldn't be on this list!), then use JavaScript to cut down on spam, but
I am sure that bots will be able to read generated source pretty soon if
they can't already.

James





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[WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Persson


Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM??

Michael


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What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread David Dorward


On 15 May 2008, at 15:35, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:


What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?



Probably:

(1) Clearly flag it as an email address
(2) Link it
(3) Provide the address in easily copy/paste-able format for webmail  
users


So:

pEmail Jon at a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a./ 
p


or possibly

pa href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Email Jon at [EMAIL PROTECTED]/a./ 
p


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Bruce
Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a webpage 
in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it.


Bruce
bkdesign

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Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM??

Michael


Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:

What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled
out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ?
A lot oh hustle but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible.

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RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
I would think that having the email available in the sense of usability
is optimal. Although spam is a big red flag for many. What are some
scripts to hide a readable/printable email address?

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Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a
webpage in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it.

Bruce
bkdesign

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 Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and
SPAM??

 Michael


 Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
 What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread David Dorward


On 15 May 2008, at 16:13, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:


How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled
out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ?
A lot oh hustle


Transcribing an email address is more effect then a lot of people are  
willing to make. It's a good way to lose useful feedback.



but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible.



OCR and voice recognition software exists, if the both author can be  
bothered to use it.


It isn't accessible to users who can't handle the image or sound (e.g.  
braille users without speakers).



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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie?

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread David Dorward


On 15 May 2008, at 16:32, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:


Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie?



A what? Do you mean attribute?

There isn't much point in concealing the text of the email address in  
an image if you are going to include it as clear text in an alt  
attribute!


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
Yes. Alt attribute.

Damn, I thought that I came up with the best solutions ever for
emails, you just shot me down ;-(

Thanks for letting me know mate.

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RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.-
a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a

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Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie?

Regards,



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RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
I meant title attribute ;)

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I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a
href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a


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RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
How about JavaScript? I found this code at
http://rickconner.net/spamweb/avoiding.html:
div align=center
p
script type=text/javascript
!--
// protected email script by Joe Maller
// JavaScripts available at http://www.joemaller.com
// this script is free to use and distribute
// but please credit me and/or link to my site

// data modified for demonstration purposes by Richard C. Conner

emailE=('frank16@' + 'nobody.zzz')
document.write('A href=mailto:' + emailE + '' + emailE + '/a')
//--
/script
/p
noscript
emEmail address protected by
JavaScript.br
Please enable JavaScript
to contact me./em
/noscript
/div

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On 15 May 2008, at 16:13, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:

 How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled 
 out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ?
 A lot oh hustle

Transcribing an email address is more effect then a lot of people are
willing to make. It's a good way to lose useful feedback.

 but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible.


OCR and voice recognition software exists, if the both author can be
bothered to use it.

It isn't accessible to users who can't handle the image or sound (e.g.  
braille users without speakers).


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:

I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.-
a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a


so what if i want to copy/paste the email from the page to another 
document or something?


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:

Although spam is a big red flag for many.


Which should ideally be solved at the email server + email client end, 
in my view.


P
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:35:16 -0400, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
 What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?


After putting a plain email address on my web site I got a lot of spam.
So I changed my contact address and put it on the page as 
mail(at)example(dot)com. Then I used a small script to convert
that to a conventional mailto:; link.

No spam from that address in over a year, so it seems to fool 'bots
for now. I'd be interested to hear from the accessibility folks, though.

Cordially,
David
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