Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
On 15 Mar 2005, at 18:10, Sigurd Magnusson wrote: I keep seeing asterisks in the W3C spec but cannot see a glossary anywhere. As an example, with the img element in xhtml 1.1, the attributes 'src' and 'alt' are both marked with an asterisk. Why? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/ abstract_modules.html#s_imagemodule It means it is a required attribute. http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstraction.html#sec_4.1. (sorry this response is late) Dean ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
In answer to your question, Sigurd - the asterisk indicates that that attribute is required for that elements (as opposed to optional). For example, if you use the you MUST include a SRC and an ALT attribute for it to be valid. Cheers :o) Richard - Original Message - From: "Sigurd Magnusson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec I keep seeing asterisks in the W3C spec but cannot see a glossary anywhere. As an example, with the img element in xhtml 1.1, the attributes 'src' and 'alt' are both marked with an asterisk. Why? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_imagemodul e (I realise img is marked to be deprecated in xhtml2, but I feel adoption for that will require new browsers to come out and gain market share, as the object tag has a huge set of problems) Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt vs title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of links, etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and obviously I can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an overall conclusion? Siggy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
The link works if you make sure that the "ml#alt" part is added to the link (it seems to break right after ".ht") dawn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gloria AntonelliSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec I tried Laura's link and it was not found. Do you have an updated link for her site? Then there is always Laura's mega resource:http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.html#alt Gloria AntonelliSigurd Magnusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow. Some serious bedtime reading. Cheers.Siggy- Original Message - From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Web Standards Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:35 PMSubject: Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec> Here are some:>> Joe Clark's serialised book (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc)> http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html>> Writing good ALT text (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc)> http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=28>> The alt and title attributes (covers alt and title but not longdesc, from> memory)> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/the_alt_and_title_attributes/>> Then there is always Laura's mega resource:> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.ht> ml#alt>> HTH> Russ>>>> Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt >> vs>> title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of >> links,>> etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and >> obviously I>> can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre>> writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an >> overall>> conclusion?>> **> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/>> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help> **>> **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list & getting help** Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
I tried Laura's link and it was not found. Do you have an updated link for her site? Then there is always Laura's mega resource:http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.html#alt Gloria AntonelliSigurd Magnusson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow. Some serious bedtime reading. Cheers.Siggy- Original Message - From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Web Standards Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:35 PMSubject: Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec> Here are some:>> Joe Clark's serialised book (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc)> http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html>> Writing good ALT text (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc)> http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=28>> The alt and title attributes (covers alt and title but not longdesc, from> memory)> http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/the_alt_and_title_attributes/>> Then there is always Laura's mega resource:> http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.ht> ml#alt>> HTH> Russ>>>> Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt >> vs>> title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of >> links,>> etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and >> obviously I>> can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre>> writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an >> overall>> conclusion?>> **> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/>> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help> **>> **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list & getting help** Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
Wow. Some serious bedtime reading. Cheers. Siggy - Original Message - From: "russ - maxdesign" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Web Standards Group" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec Here are some: Joe Clark's serialised book (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc) http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Writing good ALT text (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc) http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=28 The alt and title attributes (covers alt and title but not longdesc, from memory) http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/the_alt_and_title_attributes/ Then there is always Laura's mega resource: http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.ht ml#alt HTH Russ Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt vs title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of links, etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and obviously I can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an overall conclusion? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
Here are some: Joe Clark's serialised book (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc) http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Writing good ALT text (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc) http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=28 The alt and title attributes (covers alt and title but not longdesc, from memory) http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/the_alt_and_title_attributes/ Then there is always Laura's mega resource: http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.ht ml#alt HTH Russ > Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt vs > title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of links, > etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and obviously I > can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre > writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an overall > conclusion? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
I keep seeing asterisks in the W3C spec but cannot see a glossary anywhere. As an example, with the img element in xhtml 1.1, the attributes 'src' and 'alt' are both marked with an asterisk. Why? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_imagemodule (I realise img is marked to be deprecated in xhtml2, but I feel adoption for that will require new browsers to come out and gain market share, as the object tag has a huge set of problems) Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt vs title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of links, etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and obviously I can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an overall conclusion? Siggy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
