Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Gene Falck
Hi Bert, You wrote: Or what about simple normal every-day headings? We can go up to 6 levels deep with them... I guess it all depends on the application. I think you nailed it--in a sense, **any** linear sequence is a "list" whether or not clarity can be helped by using markup to call out a

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread John Allsopp
Bert, Patrick and all. The issue of semantics, presentation and accessibility for legislation is a really good example of the genuine social importance of what people like members of WSG do. The law is central to our society. We probably all know the maxim "ignorance of the law is no defenc

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Joshua Street
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 10:10 +0100, Patrick Lauke wrote: > I think that this (particularly the "legal document" case) is a > scenario in which we have to recognise that there *is* no widely supported > semantic equivalent. I'd agree with this statement, however, in terms of structuring your content

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread John Allsopp
Bert, Or what about simple normal every-day headings? We can go up to 6 levels deep with them... I guess it all depends on the application. I think using headings is a very good suggestion. In legislation, the numbered entries we are talking about are indeed headings for sections, sub s

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
> Bert Doorn > I don't have access to jaws or the like, but what about > semantics? Is it an unordered list made to look like an ordered > list, or an ordered list using the wrong element? I seem to remember, from my days with JAWS 4, that it would be read out as "List with 3 itemsbullet;

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
Paul Novitski wrote: What about using ULs in this case? (That's how I originally marked up my example; should have left it like that!) How would a screen-reader read this: 1 - Aardvark 2 - Banshee 3 - Cicada I don't have acc

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Paul Novitski
At 12:54 AM 6/15/2005, Bert Doorn wrote: G'day Paul Novitski wrote: I would argue that this is perfectly good markup & styling: 1 - Aardvark 2 - Banshee 3 - Cicada and then: ol li { list-style-type

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Paul Novitski wrote: I would argue that this is perfectly good markup & styling: 1 - Aardvark 2 - Banshee 3 - Cicada and then: ol li { list-style-type: none; } Question... How

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-15 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:05 PM 6/14/2005, Richard Czeiger wrote: Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example... 1. a) 1 - a: I would argue that this is perfectly g

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 15 Jun 2005, at 11:11 am, Derek Featherstone wrote: As has already been said, simply choosing the right DOCTYPE for the job may not be enough, though, given that we still don't really know to what degree punctuation matters. I've been busy putting a law text on a web page (alongside some

RE: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:56 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: > I completely agree, and have been involved in translating legislation > into a web format. It's a shame that the start attribute has been > deprecated in XHTML (last I looked). Well, there is always HTML 4.01 for these cases (legislation, s

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Terrence Wood
On 15 Jun 2005, at 12:19 PM, John Allsopp wrote: numbering is a very important part of the content of some documents (particularly legislation) and so should be in the content of the HTML I completely agree, and have been involved in translating legislation into a web format. It's a shame that

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread heretic
> Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered > lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list > item). For example... As someone has already mentioned, http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#counters will eventually be the way to do t

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread John Horner
I need this ability to replicate government legislation and apparently it has to be an EXACT duplicate. As far as I can tell, this isn't in the spec. Has anyone found a solution? Some fancy CSS hack or DOM scripting that will get around this? If that "EXACT" is truly non-negotiable, as in, it

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Richard Czeiger
Thanks, Patrick. John reminded me of the counters. I'd forgotten about them because of their total lack of support... C'est la guerre :o) Richard - Original Message - From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:30

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Richard Czeiger wrote: Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists As far as I can tell, you should be able to define that with the styles provided for automatic numbering and lists in CSS 2.1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#counters (specifically,

Re: [WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread John Allsopp
Richard, Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example... 1. a) 1 - a: I need this ability to replicate government legislation and apparently

[WSG] CSS List Separator

2005-06-14 Thread Richard Czeiger
Hi all,   Wondering how we can get CSS to specifity the spearator used in ordered lists (ie: the thing between the list item number and the value of the list item). For example...   1.     a)         1 -             a:   I need this ability to replicate government legislation and apparently