Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Thank you for all the feed back on LCD Monitors vs traditional monitors. I will look at all the suggestions. Nancy Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could be the color calibration on the LCD or 'traditional' CRT. Check out some tools like:http://www.colorvision.com/ (PANTONE Spyder - hardware based)http://www.easyrgb.com/calibrate.php Also if you own Photoshop it does have an adjustement tool that provides some color calibrationfor your system. I've heard some great things about the external 'spider' calibration tools fromthe designers at work.--- Nancy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson - Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
[WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
RE: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Nancy, How are you calibration both? (generating ICC profiles). I have 7 monitors here at work a mix-match of LCD and CRT I have to calibrate the LCDs sometimes as much as once a week. Unless youre using Eizo or Lacie professional graphic LCDs, most LCDs dont have the color gamut of CRTs its just that simple. However, as long as you use the same calibration for all monitors, you should get close enough results for accurate results. I used to use the Pantone Spyder2, but recently switched to the x-rite monaco with excellent results. Hope this helps. Collin Davis Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products 903.454.0904 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.strombergarchitectural.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:18 AM To: webstandards group Subject: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Could be the color calibration on the LCD or 'traditional' CRT. Check out some tools like: http://www.colorvision.com/ (PANTONE Spyder - hardware based) http://www.easyrgb.com/calibrate.php Also if you own Photoshop it does have an adjustement tool that provides some color calibration for your system. I've heard some great things about the external 'spider' calibration tools from the designers at work. --- Nancy Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson - Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/navbar/sethp/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs%20 I haven't seen any articles on the subject, but I know that I won't use an LCD screen when I'm picking colors for a site or an image. Every LCD screen I have ever worked on has a distinct blue cast to it and cause the colors to come out wrong. Of course picking colors is very subjective anyway. Even between two CRT screens I see a major shift in the colors. I assume that if I am seeing that much of a shift between two fairly closely calibrated screens in the same office, there is now way I can count on anyone viewing my site seeing the exact same colors I see. Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Hi, LCD screens are prone to fading in both brightness and saturation over time. From the WAI accessibility guidelines: 2.2 Ensure that foreground and background colour combinations provide sufficient contrast. There is also a perceivable difference between Mac and PC (LCD or CRT) due to different gamma settings. So avoid subtle colour effects, they don't always work. mike 2k:)2 Mike Foskett Web Standards, Accessibility Testing Consultant Multimedia Publishing and Production British Educational Communications and Technology Agency (Becta) Milburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry CV4 7JJ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 02476 416994 Ext 3342 [Tuesday - Thursday] Fax: 02476 411410 www.becta.org.uk -Original Message- From: Carl Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 March 2005 15:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/navbar/sethp/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs%20 I haven't seen any articles on the subject, but I know that I won't use an LCD screen when I'm picking colors for a site or an image. Every LCD screen I have ever worked on has a distinct blue cast to it and cause the colors to come out wrong. Of course picking colors is very subjective anyway. Even between two CRT screens I see a major shift in the colors. I assume that if I am seeing that much of a shift between two fairly closely calibrated screens in the same office, there is now way I can count on anyone viewing my site seeing the exact same colors I see. Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Just to make it explicit (as I guess you probably meant it implicitly): Mike Foskett So avoid subtle colour effects ...if they're used to distinguish pieces of information. If it's purely for subtle visual effect (e.g. a minimal gradient in the background) you can still use those subtle colour differences, as long as you're aware that certain users on LCD screens or other platforms (heck, even same platform with badly calibrated monitors) may not see the effect (but they'll still get the information). Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
I found using both works best... Get a video card the supports dual display and run both at the same time, you can then switch in-between the two monitors and view any colour differences Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com | http://www.getawayafrica.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson Sent: 22 March 2005 04:18 PM To: webstandards group Subject: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors Dear Webstandards, Are there any articles or standards out there that talk about how to pick colors for both LCD and traditional monitors? I have a website that is an intense blue that looks great in a tradiational monitor but looks terrible in an LCD monitor. Nancy Johnson Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.rd.yahoo.com/my/navbar/sethp/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 2005/03/21 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
I recently attended a workshop on this very issue. 1. I now calibrate all my monitors (PC and Mac, LCD and CRT) at least once a month using Eye-One Display. 2. I have also changed my Macs to gamma 2.2 (rather than the obsolete 1.8) in line with PCs. These are the two main changes, and have made a big difference. I can now obtain roughly the same output on all monitors. It is important to note that most monitors (especially LCDs) age very quickly. The older the monitor the harder it is to keep it calibrated. Some people recommend changing LCDs every three years - but that can get very expensive! Sarah -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:56:56 +1100, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] 1. I now calibrate all my monitors (PC and Mac, LCD and CRT) at least once a month using Eye-One Display. 2. I have also changed my Macs to gamma 2.2 (rather than the obsolete 1.8) in line with PCs. These are the two main changes, and have made a big difference. I can now obtain roughly the same output on all monitors. Cool. Did the workshop you attended offer any suggestions on how everyone else in the world can obtain the same output on their monitors as you have on yours? Sarah Regards, David -- de gustibus non est disputandum http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
David Laakso wrote: Cool. Did the workshop you attended offer any suggestions on how everyone else in the world can obtain the same output on their monitors as you have on yours? This site best viewed with correctly calibrated monitors ... click here to order your calibration kit today Seriously though, David's point is spot on. As with many other aspects such as resolution, bit depth, installed plugins, etc colour calibration is yet another variable which designers have to take into account and (ideally) make flexible adjustments for. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors
Hi David Cool. Did the workshop you attended offer any suggestions on how everyone else in the world can obtain the same output on their monitors as you have on yours? The two methods I listed (below) will go a long way towards addressing this. The Eye-One Display is very easy to use (check out this link: http://www.gretagmacbeth.com/index/products/products_color-mgmt-spec/products_cm-for-creatives/ products_eye-one-display.htm), and the second point is a simple adjustment in system prefs. 1. I now calibrate all my monitors (PC and Mac, LCD and CRT) at least once a month using Eye-One Display. 2. I have also changed my Macs to gamma 2.2 (rather than the obsolete 1.8) in line with PCs. These are the two main changes, and have made a big difference. I can now obtain roughly the same output on all monitors. Sarah :) -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
