[WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1

2009-11-01 Thread Kat
Gday all, We're all agreed that tables should only be used for tabular data, and should be marked up properly for accessibility. *WCAG 1.0 and 2.0 links about table accessibility and specific markup* WCAG 1.0 Checkpoint 5.2 says For data tables that have two or more logical levels of row

Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1

2009-11-01 Thread Kat
Steve Green wrote: I am tempted to say that this is a moot point. In my experience complex data tables are inaccessible to screen reader users because they have great difficulty forming a mental model of them. Marking them up perfectly semantically doesn't help. If you use 'normal' means of

RE: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1

2009-11-01 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: 02 November 2009 01:35 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1 Steve Green wrote: I am tempted to say

Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1

2009-11-01 Thread Nathanael Boehm
Hi Kat, That really depends - without user research it's hard to know what conclusions about the data are relevant and of interest to people consuming that data; plus if the purpose is for people to draw their own conclusions (hence why you're *providing *all that data) then it doesn't make sense