Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew Cunningham



John Horner wrote:

I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that
the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
often it's assumed that we're freelance too.


I'd argue that not only the articles, but some of the tools and CMS are 
more aimed at the corporate sector, and in some cases are poorly suited 
to the government sector.


And within the government sector there may be additional or different 
emphasis on various aspects of web design. One that comes to mind is teh 
Australian Federal Governments take on accessibility, and its relation 
to access and equity policies and its implications for developing 
content on government websites aimed at CALD communities.


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RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew Boyd
Hi,

I am currently Canberra-based and tend to more government than corporate work - 
I think that this is just the nature of the local market. I've worked in 
corporate environments in the past, but nowadays mostly government.

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Yes I'm sure too that would be the norm.

Jermayn Parker wrote:
I am personally both!!
I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between 
corporate and government/ school etc



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Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread Barney Carroll

Public, and I work with a small team of specialists.

As far as I see it, the public sector is fairly serious and strong 
transferable competencies are demanded from you. As such you tend to get 
less nonsense communication with clients, you're constantly developing a 
more honest expertise, and you've got more of a record in the area.


Freelance commercial work looks more exciting and higher-paid, but a lot 
less reliable in terms of regularity and client attitudes. At least in 
the near future I can't imagine relying on commercial work as my chief 
income.



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RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread James Leslie
I work for a commercial agency making microsites and have done
freelancing in the private sector too. I haven't to date worked in the
Public sector and don't anticipate doing so. I think the private sector
probably allows more creative freedom (taking into account company
branding) and less red-tape/bureaucracy.




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Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 12/9/07 (06:17) John said:

So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
sector?

I'm a one-man design studio (can't quite stand the 'boutique' label ;-)
and as such I work for whoever brings their business my way, provided
they are not a walking ethical outrage.
So that makes me a commercial operation, albeit that my biggest web
client is a public sector entity here in the UK.

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RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread Mohamed Jama
I work for commercial agency that handles both government and public
work

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On 12/9/07 (06:17) John said:

So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
sector?

I'm a one-man design studio (can't quite stand the 'boutique' label ;-)
and as such I work for whoever brings their business my way, provided
they are not a walking ethical outrage.
So that makes me a commercial operation, albeit that my biggest web
client is a public sector entity here in the UK.

-- 
Rick Lecoat



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Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-12 Thread ben van 't ende [netcreators]
Hi,

I work for a commercial agency that has government and public clients.

gRTz

ben

John Horner wrote:
 I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that
 the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
 often it's assumed that we're freelance too.
 
 As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target
 audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to sell
 a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is parents
 with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of everyone.
 
 Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about software,
 just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial
 software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and drivers
 and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any
 thought of profit, simply because they're needed.
 
 So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
 and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
 sector?
 
 
 
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[WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread John Horner
I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that
the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
often it's assumed that we're freelance too.

As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target
audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to sell
a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is parents
with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of everyone.

Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about software,
just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial
software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and drivers
and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any
thought of profit, simply because they're needed.

So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
sector?



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Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Jermayn Parker
I am personally both!!
I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between
corporate and government/ school etc



On 9/12/07, John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that
 the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
 often it's assumed that we're freelance too.

 As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target
 audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to sell
 a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is parents
 with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of everyone.

 Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about software,
 just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial
 software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and drivers
 and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any
 thought of profit, simply because they're needed.

 So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
 and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
 sector?




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RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Webb, KerryA
John asked:
 
 
 So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
 and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
 sector?
 

More importantly, how would you classify yourself g

Kerry
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Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Jixor - Stephen I

Yes I'm sure too that would be the norm.

Jermayn Parker wrote:

I am personally both!!
I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' 
between corporate and government/ school etc




On 9/12/07, * John Horner* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to
assume that
the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
often it's assumed that we're freelance too.

As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target
audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to
sell
a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is
parents
with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of
everyone.

Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about
software,
just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial
software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and
drivers
and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any
thought of profit, simply because they're needed.

So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
sector?




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Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread JonMarc Wright
 So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sectorand
how many are in
 the non-profit / public / government / education sector?

Interesting question.

I for one am in both sectors.  I am a technology consultant and I have
various clients that have me employed handling their web operations, or
aspects therein.
At the same time, however, I also handle web and other technology elements
for a couple of different non-profit organizations and an educational
establishment, for which I volunteer my time.

I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few people are like that, split somewhere
down the middle.  After all, one has to pay the bills, but every little
thing we put our hearts and minds into for the web doesn't need to be run
out for pennies.


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RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

2007-09-11 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi John,

Thought I'd send this off-list to you:

Commercial Sector: I build web-based tech documentation for the development
division of an international logistics/supply chain company - Supergroup
Trading Ltd in South Africa (can't wait to get outta here).

Non-profit Sector: I produce gratis Fast Track tutorials geared toward the
tech writing/help authoring/web design communities. 

Hope that helps?

Kind regards,

Frank M. Palinkas
Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help
W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert
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Subject: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?

I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that
the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and
often it's assumed that we're freelance too.

As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target
audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to sell
a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is parents
with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of everyone.

Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about software,
just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial
software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and drivers
and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any
thought of profit, simply because they're needed.

So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector
and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education
sector?



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