Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-28 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 27/11/07 (23:43) Al said:

I also caution the original questioner 
to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0

Fear not, Al, I take buzzwords like that with a large pinch of salt. In
choosing to refer to Jeremy Keith's book DOM Scripting: Web Design with
JavaScript and the Document Object Model I was influenced not by
fashionable phrases du jour but by the near-unanimous praise that it
seems to garner, both here on the list and elsewhere.

I likewise agree that absolutes can be problematic, and I am
instinctively wary of dogmatism, in any form. My objective here is to
teach myself Javascript in a way consistent with web standards and
whatever is deemed 'best practice' at this point.

Whilst I would partially agree with what Breton Slivka said (I have no
belief in the concept that knowledge can corrupt, and that somehow
innaccurate information will poison your mind) my own experience is
that it is better, if possible, to something the 'right' way (or at
least one of several 'right' ways)  than to learn something in a 'make
do' way and potentially have to unlearn a lot of less-then-perfect
techniques and practices at a later date.

I find un-learning hard to do, and I'll avoid having to do so if I can.

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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said:

As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and
examples that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if
it tells you to use things like:

document.write
inline event handlers (like onclick)
browser sniffing

This is quite a simple list but a good one to get started with! 

Sorry to return to this thread so late in the day, but I'm just at the
point of perhaps trying my hand at Javascript for the first time (never
been a programmer, aside from a bit of simplistic Actionscript) and
remembered reading this thread so I thought I'd give it another once-over.

Ross's warnings about avoiding old school techniques are well taken; the
problem I have is that I know so completely and utterly nothing about
Javascript at this stage that I can't even judge from the book that I
have whether they are advocating these techniques or not. The book in
question is the 6th edition of Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and
Ajax; I bought it a few months back in anticipation of dipping my toes
in the JS ocean, but in light of the best practice discussions in this
thread I don't want to waste my time on the 'wrong' book.

Now, I could wade through it and try to learn enough to decipher
precisely what it is advocating, but that could take a while. So I
thought, as a first port of call, I'd ask the list and see if anyone
here has any experience with this book and can advise me of whether or
not it falls foul of the crimes that Ross points out.

In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual
Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch
it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead?

(Just trying to save myself some time is all)
TIA...
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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Martin Heiden
Rick,

on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 13:50 Web Standards Group wrote:

 On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said:


document.write
inline event handlers (like onclick)
browser sniffing

 In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual
 Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch
 it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead?

If you are just starting, you should read a book for beginners that
introduces you to to language and it's structure. Learn about objects,
functions, datatypes, control structures ...

If you find one of the keywords, that Russ listed before, your
alarm bells should ring. Keep on reading, but start thinking why this
is bad. (You can always return to the list and ask...)

Once you feel familiar with the language, switch to Jeremy's book.
It's very well written, but you should have an idea how JS works. You
will find the answers to your questions in this book.

When you know about JS and DomScripting it's time to jump on the
AJAX-train, but not before you know the basics.

Good luck!

  Martin

 





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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said:

Hi Rick,

I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but
having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can
vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it
very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through
properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive DOM
scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around
for ages.

I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that it
may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too.

Hope that helps,

James

Thanks James, that's really helpful.

I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book,
truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon
etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the
Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I
know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*.

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RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Peter Goddard
I would endorse any recommendations for Jeremy Keith's book. Superb
stuff!

I would say it's a great place to start. You need to understand all the
issues he raises such as degradation (in the event of the client having
JS switched off in the browser etc. 

JK just has such a good way of explaining a good DOM scripting approach.

Sorry, I don't know the book you have.

HTH

Peter Goddard
Developer/Programmer

PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK
T: +44 (0) 191 3774742
F: +44 (0) 191 3770769
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said:

Hi Rick,

I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but
having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can
vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it
very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through
properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive
DOM
scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around
for ages.

I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that
it
may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too.

Hope that helps,

James

Thanks James, that's really helpful.

I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book,
truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon
etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the
Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I
know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*.

-- 
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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Michael Horowitz
How do you feel it compared with Heilmann's book Javascript development 
with dom scripting and ajax


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Peter Goddard wrote:

I would endorse any recommendations for Jeremy Keith's book. Superb
stuff!

I would say it's a great place to start. You need to understand all the
issues he raises such as degradation (in the event of the client having
JS switched off in the browser etc. 


JK just has such a good way of explaining a good DOM scripting approach.

Sorry, I don't know the book you have.

HTH

Peter Goddard
Developer/Programmer

PSI Global Ltd, Bowburn, Durham DH6 5AD, UK
T: +44 (0) 191 3774742
F: +44 (0) 191 3770769
E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Sent: 27 November 2007 14:05
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

On 27/11/07 (13:17) James said:

  

Hi Rick,

I can't comment on the Visual Quickstart book as I haven't read it, but
having only just started really looking at Javascript myself, I can
vouch for Jeremy Keith's book being very good indeed. I have found it
very easy to read (each chapter takes about 20-30 minutes to go through
properly) and it has meant I have been able to implement unobtrusive


DOM
  

scripting to enhance pages and solve problems I've had hanging around
for ages.

I would suggest that even if the Visual Quickstart book is good, that


it
  

may be worth spending the time with the Keith book too.

Hope that helps,

James



Thanks James, that's really helpful.

I think I already know that I'm going to be buying Jeremy Keith's book,
truth be told (having been looking at a bunch of reviews of it on Amazon
etc since I posted to the list). Still, if anyone has an opinion on the
Visual Quickstart book as well, I'd be interested to hear it, just so I
know whether it's worth glancing at *at all*.

  



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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Breton Slivka
On Nov 28, 2007 12:14 AM, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rick,

 on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 13:50 Web Standards Group wrote:

  On 15/11/07 (11:15) Ross said:

 
 document.write
 inline event handlers (like onclick)
 browser sniffing
 
  In summary, then, does anyone recommend me hanging onto Visual
  Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.) or should I just ditch
  it and buy Jeremy Keith's Dom Scripting book instead?

 If you are just starting, you should read a book for beginners that
 introduces you to to language and it's structure. Learn about objects,
 functions, datatypes, control structures ...

 If you find one of the keywords, that Russ listed before, your
 alarm bells should ring. Keep on reading, but start thinking why this
 is bad. (You can always return to the list and ask...)

 Once you feel familiar with the language, switch to Jeremy's book.
 It's very well written, but you should have an idea how JS works. You
 will find the answers to your questions in this book.

 When you know about JS and DomScripting it's time to jump on the
 AJAX-train, but not before you know the basics.

 Good luck!

   Martin

I'm sorry if this comes across as inflammatory (if this post pisses
you off just feel free to ignore it. I have bad luck with the tone of
my emails sometimes).  But... is this really how anyone here came to
learn javascript? Really? Or is it just how you wish you learned it?
Personally, I have a very difficult time retaining knowledge unless it
proves immediately useful- and knowing only a few javascript control
structures doesn't strike me as something that you can put to use
right away.

Most of the people I know who know javascript- came to know it by
jumping right in and trying to get some specific thing done. Either
they had a project that called for it, and they found some dodgy
tutorial, and got it out the door, or they had to pick through someone
else's javascript. It's only in the context of this initial taste of
javascript that these reccomendations for or against certain
techniques make any sense. Otherwise you may as well be talking about
the finer points of martian politics.

As for this Visual Quickstart Guide: JavaScript and Ajax (6th Ed.)
in all probability, given my general previous experience with visual
quickstart guides, it's probably awful, and innaccurate, and written
by someone who is only barely competant. However, I think you should
read it anyway, especially if it gets you to the point of getting
something (anything) *actually working* very fast. You can worry about
best practice after you get the hang of getting things working. I say
this because I have no belief in the concept that knowledge can
corrupt, and that somehow innaccurate information will poison your
mind. This only happens if you're a gullible idiot, and I tend towards
giving people more credit than assuming that they are a gullible
idiot.

 Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the
reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless
nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The
Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is,
you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go
for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and
actually working in the language the quickest.


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Al Sparber

From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the
reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless
nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The
Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is,
you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution, then go
for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and
actually working in the language the quickest.


I recommend Flanagan's book highly. I also caution the original questioner 
to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0. And to a previous 
poster, there are times when even the most accomplished scripter might need 
to use document.write or an inline handler. Be wary of absolutes and, when 
convenient, check the actual work of some of these authors and you might be 
surprised - or not :-)


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http://www.projectseven.com
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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Nick Lo

From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Of course if you don't feel like reading it, then don't. You have the
reccomendations here for the books that have good information (Unless
nobody has yet reccomended David Flanagan's Javascript: The
Definative Guide). When you're ready for good information, that is,
you have a specific problem that calls for a correct solution,  
then go

for those books. Otherwise, read whatever gets you into action, and
actually working in the language the quickest.


I recommend Flanagan's book highly. I also caution the original  
questioner to be wary of buzzwords like Dom Scripting and Web 2.0.  
And to a previous poster, there are times when even the most  
accomplished scripter might need to use document.write or an inline  
handler. Be wary of absolutes and, when convenient, check the  
actual work of some of these authors and you might be surprised -  
or not :-)


For some javascript video entertainment: Douglas Crockford (Yahoo!  
javascript blokie) has some videos on his site...


Video: JavaScript
Video: The Theory of the Dom
Video: Advanced JavaScript
Video: Browser Wars
Video: Quality
Video: JavaScript: The Good Parts
Video: The State of Ajax

http://javascript.crockford.com/

...in the first one (IIRC) he recommends that O'Reilly book as the  
only one worth considering. However I'm not sure how old that video  
is compared to some of the books mentioned in this thread.


Nick


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-27 Thread Penny Haslop
Word to Dave. This book is awesome. I've slowly been trying to increase my
knowledge of programming, rather than scripting, and I don't think you could
do better than Simply Javascript.

All the best!

-- 
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pennyhaslop.com



On Nov 14, 2007 8:31 AM, Dave Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm in a similar position and recently bought the Simply JavaScript book
 from SitePoint... it's easy to understand and all the books I've seen of
 theirs in the past have been up to date and use the latest standards so I
 presume I'm learning the correct way as apposed to following out of date and
 bad practice tutorials online.


 http://www.sitepoint.com/books/javascript1/?SID=8a6e5ef267535b16d9b4f5c5b54a008d

 Hope that helps.

 Dave
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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-19 Thread Mordechai Peller

Ross Bruniges wrote:

As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples 
that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to 
use things like:
  

I generally agree, however:

document.write
  

If it's only discussed, but not recommended, it's OK.

inline event handlers (like onclick)
  
OK only on an introductory level, but should recommend and explain the 
better ways.

browser sniffing
  
This is OK only as an advanced topic as it's useful only in unusual 
situations. As a standard practice it shouldn't be used.



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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-15 Thread James Jeffery
 http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too.

Thats the one i purchased yesterday. Very good read!

On Nov 14, 2007 10:02 PM, Olly Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Nov 14, 2007 9:44 PM, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rob Mason wrote:
 
   I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript.
 
  I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand:
  http://www.quirksmode.org/book/

 http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too.


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-15 Thread Ross Bruniges
Where true!

As a general rule of thumb if you are looking for online tutorials and examples 
that are teaching good modern JavaScript go find another one if it tells you to 
use things like:

document.write
inline event handlers (like onclick)
browser sniffing

This is quite a simple list but a good one to get started with! 

Ross Bruniges

- Original Message 
From: Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2007 10:34:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

On 14 Nov 2007, at 22:56, Lars Michael Sørensen wrote:

 I recommend http://www.tizag.com/javascriptT/ - they have a lot of
 other tutorials as well. Very easy to follow, all the way through.

I would recommend avoiding that tutorial - it teaches some techniques  
which should never be used by anybody with an interest in making  
usable and accessible sites. Generally speaking it will get you to  
the level we were at when Netscape Navigator 3 was the target  
browser, which was over ten years ago. There are much better  
techniques available for modern scripting.

I would recommend (in no particular order - look through them in a  
shop and pick an author whose style you like): DOM Scripting by  
Jeremy Keith, ppk on JavaScript by Peter-Paul Koch, David  
Flanagan's JavaScript: The Definitive Guide and Chris Heilmann's  
Beginning JavaScript with DOM Scripting and Ajax.

Also, Chris H has an online course at http://onlinetools.org/ 
articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ which will help you unlearn the bad  
things learnt from the tiza.com tutorial ;-).

Regards,

Nick.
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http://webstandards.org/action/dstf/
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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-15 Thread Lars Michael Sørensen
thanks for the info. Now I can start all over... :-/

/lmss
2007/11/15, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 14 Nov 2007, at 22:56, Lars Michael Sørensen wrote:

  I recommend http://www.tizag.com/javascriptT/ - they have a lot of
  other tutorials as well. Very easy to follow, all the way through.

 I would recommend avoiding that tutorial - it teaches some techniques
 which should never be used by anybody with an interest in making
 usable and accessible sites. Generally speaking it will get you to
 the level we were at when Netscape Navigator 3 was the target
 browser, which was over ten years ago. There are much better
 techniques available for modern scripting.

 I would recommend (in no particular order - look through them in a
 shop and pick an author whose style you like): DOM Scripting by
 Jeremy Keith, ppk on JavaScript by Peter-Paul Koch, David
 Flanagan's JavaScript: The Definitive Guide and Chris Heilmann's
 Beginning JavaScript with DOM Scripting and Ajax.

 Also, Chris H has an online course at http://onlinetools.org/
 articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ which will help you unlearn the bad
 things learnt from the tiza.com tutorial ;-).

 Regards,

 Nick.
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 Member, WaSP DOM Scripting TF
 http://webstandards.org/action/dstf/
 http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/

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RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-14 Thread James Leslie
Hi guys,

Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle
with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales
and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking
for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or
offline will do. 

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

Rob
 ---
 
Hi Rob,
 
I'm just starting to get into JavaScript having spent the last couple of
years also working primarily with HTML/CSS and accessibility. I'm
finding Jeremy Keith's DOM Scripting very easy to read and understand,
so would recommend it.
 
James 


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-14 Thread Chris Knowles
Rob Mason wrote:

 I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. 

I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand:
http://www.quirksmode.org/book/


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-14 Thread Olly Hodgson
On Nov 14, 2007 9:44 PM, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rob Mason wrote:

  I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript.

 I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand:
 http://www.quirksmode.org/book/

http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too.


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-14 Thread Lars Michael Sørensen
I recommend http://www.tizag.com/javascriptT/ - they have a lot of
other tutorials as well. Very easy to follow, all the way through.

/lmss

2007/11/14, Olly Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Nov 14, 2007 9:44 PM, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rob Mason wrote:
 
   I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript.
 
  I highly rate this book - easy to read and understand:
  http://www.quirksmode.org/book/

 http://domscripting.com/book/ is very good too.


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 http://thinkdrastic.net/


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[WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Rob Mason
Hi guys,

Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with
JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and
marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a
really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will
do.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

Rob

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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Bruce
One thought.

Being Web Standards Group, look for Unobtrusive JavaScript. Google helps :)

Bruce
bkdesign solutions
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  From: Rob Mason 
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  Subject: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript


  Hi guys,

  Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with 
JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and 
marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really 
basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. 

  Any thoughts?

  Thanks in advance

  Rob

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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Breton Slivka
Javascript is a big subject, and generally can't be summarized or
simplified sensibly unless there's some particular aspect of it that
you're especially interested in. Are you looking for something like a
quick overview of the language itself, or perhaps some tutorial for
getting a particular task done?

Perhaps a better question to ask is, why do you need JavaScript? The
answer to that will inform what kind of tutorial to look for.

-Breton



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 Hi guys,

 Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with
 JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and
 marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a
 really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will
 do.

 Any thoughts?

 Thanks in advance

 Rob

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RE: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Robin Gorry
Hi Rob,

 

I know how you feel, but once you get to grips with a few simple examples
you will find it's not as scary as you think, it's like anything else the
more you practice the better and more familiar you will become.

I recommend buying Jeremy Keith's book called Dom
http://www.amazon.com/DOM-Scripting-Design-JavaScript-Document/dp/159059533
5/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3623566-8462356?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194983274sr=8-1
Scripting as a start.

 

Good Luck

 

 

Robin 

 

Hi guys,

Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with
JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and
marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a
really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will
do. 

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

Rob

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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Kevin Lennon

Rob Mason wrote:

Hi guys,

Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but 
struggle with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business 
type (sales and marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. 
I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. 
Either on or offline will do.


Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

Rob

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www.spongeproject.co.uk http://www.spongeproject.co.uk
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You may want to check out the book called  Javascript for the world wide 
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http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-World-Wide-Web-Negrino/dp/0321423348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194984888sr=8-1


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Dave Woods
I'm in a similar position and recently bought the Simply JavaScript book
from SitePoint... it's easy to understand and all the books I've seen of
theirs in the past have been up to date and use the latest standards so I
presume I'm learning the correct way as apposed to following out of date and
bad practice tutorials online.

http://www.sitepoint.com/books/javascript1/?SID=8a6e5ef267535b16d9b4f5c5b54a008d

Hope that helps.

Dave
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  Rob Mason wrote:

 Hi guys,

 Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle
 with JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and
 marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a
 really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will
 do.

 Any thoughts?

 Thanks in advance

 Rob

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  You may want to check out the book called  Javascript for the world wide
 web  visual quickstart guide.
 http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-World-Wide-Web-Negrino/dp/0321423348/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1194984888sr=8-1

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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

Rob Mason wrote:
I am looking for a really basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. 
Either on or offline will do.


A little of both...

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/javascript/important

http://beginningjavascript.com/

regards
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