[WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
There was a note on Macintouch about this page: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/renew/renew_833.html Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10 shows a blank page, but viewing page source is quite interesting - anyone care to comment? Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
safari 3 on 10.4.11 is ok though... matches what I see in firefox On Nov 20, 2007, at 13:27, Andrew Maben wrote: There was a note on Macintouch about this page: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/renew/renew_833.html Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10 shows a blank page, but viewing page source is quite interesting - anyone care to comment? Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
My point was not that there are environments in which it works, but the fact that a government page is totally inaccessible in Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10. The comments I'd hoped to provoke would refer to the coding practices resulting in the interesting page source vis a vis web standards... Andrew On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Crocker Ryan (rc) wrote: Looks good in IE 6 IE 7 also. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Ortenzi Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page safari 3 on 10.4.11 is ok though... matches what I see in firefox *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
Looks good in Safari 3.0,3 (β) under 10.4.10 (Tiger). Kimberly On 11/20/07, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a note on Macintouch about this page: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/renew/renew_833.html Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10 shows a blank page, but viewing page source is quite interesting - anyone care to comment? Andrew http://www.andrewmaben. http://www.andrewmaben.com/net [EMAIL PROTECTED] *In a well designed user interface, the user should not need ** instructions.* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.orghttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm /mail/guidelines.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.orghttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm /join/unsubscribe.cfm http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED].org[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Kimberly Batteau http://www.kimberlybatteau.com/ Ever striving for perfetcion. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
Looks good in IE 6 IE 7 also. Ryan Crocker Training Support Specialist Volvo Penta of the Americas, Inc. Chesapeake, VA, USA Phone: 1-757-436-2800 x7733 Fax: 1-757-436-5182 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Ortenzi Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page safari 3 on 10.4.11 is ok though... matches what I see in firefox On Nov 20, 2007, at 13:27, Andrew Maben wrote: There was a note on Macintouch about this page: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/renew/renew_833.html Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10 shows a blank page, but viewing page source is quite interesting - anyone care to comment? Andrew http://www.andrewmaben. http://www.andrewmaben.com/ net [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
personally, I expect US and UK government sites to fail validation ;-) On Nov 20, 2007, at 15:46, Andrew Maben wrote: My point was not that there are environments in which it works, but the fact that a government page is totally inaccessible in Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10. The comments I'd hoped to provoke would refer to the coding practices resulting in the interesting page source vis a vis web standards... Andrew On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Crocker Ryan (rc) wrote: Looks good in IE 6 IE 7 also. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Ortenzi Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page safari 3 on 10.4.11 is ok though... matches what I see in firefox *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
Well the Danish foreign ministry http://www.um.dk/en passes html validation. The guys that build it obviously wanted it to validate (look at the comments) but that didn't make it accessible or more usable. Joseph Ortenzi skrev: personally, I expect US and UK government sites to fail validation ;-) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
hmm... base href=http://www.um.dk/CMS.Web/Templates/Front%20Pages/ FrontPage.aspx/ empty spans, empty p tags, table structure where not necessary... half-hearted I'd say. On Nov 20, 2007, at 17:33, Kim Kruse wrote: Well the Danish foreign ministry http://www.um.dk/en passes html validation. The guys that build it obviously wanted it to validate (look at the comments) but that didn't make it accessible or more usable. Joseph Ortenzi skrev: personally, I expect US and UK government sites to fail validation ;-) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:33:44 am Crocker Ryan (rc) wrote: Looks good in IE 6 IE 7 also. Hi I think it's a case of works in IE, then good enough. Hello 1999! : Designed forbr id=XSpLit247/Internet Explorer 6.0 Something weird about passport renewal pages, I don't know if they are all developed by the same mob - the Australian one (http://www.passports.gov.au) asks for a email address but asks to make sure that it is typed in uppercase only for readability. Maybe they've found a programming langyage that doesn't support strtoupper() ? The source looks like it has been crafted by some odd CMS code generator, or maybe someone in marketing decided to do some copy and pasting. Cheers James Ryan Crocker Training Support Specialist Volvo Penta of the Americas, Inc. Chesapeake, VA, USA Phone: 1-757-436-2800 x7733 Fax: 1-757-436-5182 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
http://www.passports.gov.au 1. Flyout menu? Check 2. Really bad site search? Check. 3. Ugly design? Check. 4. Shocking usability? Check. Must be a government site ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***