Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-27 Thread Al Sparber
From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/22/07, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried outlook 2007 Lately? the way it reads/displays html has been THE issue ever since it was released. No. I'd assumed it displayed the same as OE6 or

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-23 Thread Keryx Web
To everybody who has answered me in this thread: 1. I do realize that it is impossible to use perfect markup today, mainly because of the ghastly Outlook 2007. (A product I am boycotting BTW - but tell the to the mobile phone manufacturers. It syncs with Outlook is the ubiquitous sales

[WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Keryx Web
When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates for the mail app. Here is my question: Are these made

RE: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Mohamed Jama
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: 22 October 2007 15:27 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Jason Pruim
On Oct 22, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Keryx Web wrote: When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread 8bits Media
It would seem odd if Apple went down the same path as Microsoft, especially since using Word to render HTML/CSS in Outlook 2007 was so well received by the web development community! I'm sure they won't want to be accused of following Microsoft. Also, I have a feeling they wouldn't have

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Keryx Web wrote: When Outlook 2007 came out it incurred upon itself the righteous wrath of all standardistas thanks to the stupid decision to use Word as its HTML/CSS rendering engine. In a few days Mac OS X Leopard will be out with much touted templates for the mail app. Here is my

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
Would you want the mail templates to use standards and seperation of concerns? Last time I looked, it was well nigh impossible to get an email that was standards based AND rendered properly in virtually *any* email client. Im sure they could have made the templates standards based, in which case,

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Breton Slivka wrote: Would you want the mail templates to use standards and seperation of concerns? Last time I looked, it was well nigh impossible to get an email that was standards based AND rendered properly in virtually *any* email client. Im sure they could have made the templates

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable in *any* mail client. This implies that they do not have seperation of concerns, because there's no standard of support for that.

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
Apologies- I didn't mean my original post as a direct response to patrick, merely a response to the thread. On 10/23/07, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Breton Slivka wrote: and my point was: Apple isn't advertising the templates as being only viewable in Apple mail, it's advertising them as being viewable in *any* mail client. This implies that they do not have seperation of concerns, because there's no standard of support for that. Sorry,

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Al Sparber
From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, had to go back and re-read the thread starter. In rushing through my mail, I thought the question was more along the lines of will it support our carefully crafted HTML/CSS emails, but I see now that it specifically concerned the shipped

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Al Sparber wrote: The problem with Outlook, I believe, is more to do with what it generates, rather than what it can read/display. Haven't had a chance to play with the final product, but from what I remember it is indeed a fundamental problem with its display capabilities. From

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Breton Slivka
I'm not entirely sure. The HTML/plain text announcements we send out are standards-based with one exception - we embed the CSS in the body section. These mails display perfectly in Outlook, OE, Windows Mail, Apple Mail, and Thunderbird. The problem with Outlook, I believe, is more to do with

Re: [WSG] Leopard mail and standards

2007-10-22 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/22/07, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried outlook 2007 Lately? the way it reads/displays html has been THE issue ever since it was released. No. I'd assumed it displayed the same as OE6 or Windows Mail (Vista). A.. it