Re: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
Hi All, I appreciate all the comments and feel a lot more empowered to actively manage this aspect. I honestly didnt think about training (assumed an on-the-fly approach) but was aware of the difference between testers (sighted / non). As it is a large area to cover I am open to any and all angles relating to this subject and welcome all input. I will no doubt be asking more questions in the future as this progresses. Thanks again, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
>> in our attempts to improve our accessibility we want to get a version >> of JAWS. > It's not easy to master all of the JAWS commands so try the 40 minute > demo first. Hi Ben, It's great that you are wanting to do accessibility testing, I assume in addition to following standards[1]. There is a fairly steep learning curve for full-fledged screen readers, and an infrequent tester cannot get a sense of what it's really like to use a screen reader without observing a regular screen reader user. Thus, I personally[2] find it's easiest and better to find regular screen reader users (that is, someone who is blind) for your main development and testing, and then use a simple free/cheap voicing browser or screen reader only for in house testing of specific things as you develop. For more on this, see: * http://www.uiaccess.com/accessucd/involve.html Regards, ~Shawn [1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag.php [2] Note this email is not representing my employer, even though I'm on this list with my employer email address. - Shawn Lawton Henry about: www.uiAccess.com/profile.html phone: +1-617-395-7664 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Hi Ben, Shawn is quite right, and I find that testers and developers use screen readers totally differently from the way that 'real' users use them because they don't know any different. We provide screen reader training for testers and developers, which teaches them not only how the software is used, but how screen reader users create a mental model of web pages and the strategies they use for navigating within them. Without that knowledge there is little value in doing the testing yourself. Steve Green Director Labscape Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.labscape.co.uk - *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:13 AM, David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thierry Koblentz wrote: >> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws.asp >> >> I don't know about the demo version on that page, but they used to offer a >> full version that would work for 30 minutes at a time (you needed to reboot >> the computer after 30 minutes if you wanted to use it again). >> > With, I believe, a license that explicitly forbids using it for the > purposes of testing websites for screen reader compatibility. It's true, or at least it was when I looked at the license about a year ago. We switched to using Window-Eyes for testing for just this reason. -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
in our attempts to improve our accessibility we want to get a version of JAWS. It's not easy to master all of the JAWS commands so try the 40 minute demo first. Hi Ben, It's great that you are wanting to do accessibility testing, I assume in addition to following standards[1]. There is a fairly steep learning curve for full-fledged screen readers, and an infrequent tester cannot get a sense of what it's really like to use a screen reader without observing a regular screen reader user. Thus, I personally[2] find it's easiest and better to find regular screen reader users (that is, someone who is blind) for your main development and testing, and then use a simple free/cheap voicing browser or screen reader only for in house testing of specific things as you develop. For more on this, see: * http://www.uiaccess.com/accessucd/involve.html Regards, ~Shawn [1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/wcag.php [2] Note this email is not representing my employer, even though I'm on this list with my employer email address. - Shawn Lawton Henry about: www.uiAccess.com/profile.html phone: +1-617-395-7664 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
Thierry Koblentz wrote: > http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws.asp > > I don't know about the demo version on that page, but they used to offer a > full version that would work for 30 minutes at a time (you needed to reboot > the computer after 30 minutes if you wanted to use it again). > With, I believe, a license that explicitly forbids using it for the purposes of testing websites for screen reader compatibility. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
in our attempts to improve our accessibility we want to get a version of JAWS. My prime question being, is there a developer version that will adequately do the job with out having to buy the full version? Further to that, are there any suggestions as to where we can purchase it? There is no developer version that I know of, you will need to purchase a full license. http://www.webaim.org/blog/jaws-license-not-developer-friendly It's not easy to master all of the JAWS commands so try the 40 minute demo first. Here is a good starter: http://webaim.org/articles/jaws/ More introduction training: http://www.eatt.org/en/training.php *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
> in our attempts to improve our accessibility we want to get a version of JAWS. > > My prime question being, is there a developer version that will adequately do the job with out having to buy the full version? > Further to that, are there any suggestions as to where we can purchase it? http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws.asp I don't know about the demo version on that page, but they used to offer a full version that would work for 30 minutes at a time (you needed to reboot the computer after 30 minutes if you wanted to use it again). -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version
Hi all, in our attempts to improve our accessibility we want to get a version of JAWS. My prime question being, is there a developer version that will adequately do the job with out having to buy the full version? Further to that, are there any suggestions as to where we can purchase it? Thanks in advance, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
