Re: [WSG] Mobile urls
On 15/11/2010 6:15 PM, Michael MD wrote: Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for complex script languages is the choice between a textual version and an image version: http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/image/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj/ Since mobile devices are years behind desktops and laptops in text rendering capabilities. Wow, thats insane given the high prices charged for data by some phone companies! ...but yes its probably the only way you can do it for those languages on a lot of devices. Esp. since in some countries, mobile access to internet is more common that desktop access to internet, and data charges can be prohibitive. most common approaches to language support on mobiles devices involves: * jail breaking the device and hacking support into device * using images * using legacy encodings * using pseudo-Unicode solutions (essentially an 8-bit legacy glyph based encoding superimposed over a Unicode block). Sometimes I feel I'm back in the 90s. Andrew -- Andrew Cunningham Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Mobile: 0459-806-589 Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au Alt. email: lang.supp...@gmail.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ http://www.openroad.net.au http://www.vicnet.net.au http://www.slv.vic.gov.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***attachment: andrewc.vcf
[WSG] Mobile urls
Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to handle mobile versions of content? Specifically arguments for and against how the BBC handles different formats - including mobile, simply by appending a format type to the end of a canonical url. Ie. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5 is the base url http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.mp is the mobile version http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.xml is the same data in xml format http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.rdf is the rdf representation of the data VS the generally accepted alternative to doing mobile which is to provide a different domain, such as mob. Or m. Ie. http://m.smh.com.au/ http://m.abc.net.au/ Anyone have any thoughts on pros/cons of the two methodologies? Just curious to see if anyone else has implemented the BBC method? Cheers, Sam Dwyer Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile urls
First time I have come across the first convention you outline Sam, but it is an interesting proposition. I have a feeling that it is a better way (in the long term) to treat content, rather than having a mobile specific site. However, sticking an MP extension onto a page name is arguably nothing different to having that MP as a subdomain indicator (e.g. example.com/mp/page.html instead of example.com/pagemp.html). BBC also seems to mix in stuff like this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/index.html I don't think that currently there are 'generally accepted' ways of handling mobile content. There are at least 3 ways in which I can think people will handle mobile stuff right now and they are all as common as anything else. Thanks, Jason On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Sam Dwyer dwyer@abc.net.au wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to handle mobile versions of content? Specifically arguments for and against how the BBC handles different formats – including mobile, simply by appending a format type to the end of a canonical url. Ie. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5 is the base url http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.mp is the mobile version http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.xml is the same data in xml format http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.rdf is the rdf representation of the data VS the generally accepted alternative to doing mobile which is to provide a different domain, such as mob. Or m. Ie. http://m.smh.com.au/ http://m.abc.net.au/ Anyone have any thoughts on pros/cons of the two methodologies? Just curious to see if anyone else has implemented the BBC method? Cheers, Sam Dwyer Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Mobile urls
Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for complex script languages is the choice between a textual version and an image version: http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/image/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj/ Since mobile devices are years behind desktops and laptops in text rendering capabilities. On 15/11/2010 12:22 PM, Jason Grant wrote: First time I have come across the first convention you outline Sam, but it is an interesting proposition. I have a feeling that it is a better way (in the long term) to treat content, rather than having a mobile specific site. However, sticking an MP extension onto a page name is arguably nothing different to having that MP as a subdomain indicator (e.g. example.com/mp/page.html http://example.com/mp/page.html instead of example.com/pagemp.html http://example.com/pagemp.html). BBC also seems to mix in stuff like this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/index.html I don't think that currently there are 'generally accepted' ways of handling mobile content. There are at least 3 ways in which I can think people will handle mobile stuff right now and they are all as common as anything else. Thanks, Jason On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Sam Dwyer dwyer@abc.net.au mailto:dwyer@abc.net.au wrote: Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to handle mobile versions of content? Specifically arguments for and against how the BBC handles different formats – including mobile, simply by appending a format type to the end of a canonical url. Ie. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5 is the base url http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.mp is the mobile version http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.xml is the same data in xml format http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5.rdf is the rdf representation of the data VS the generally accepted alternative to doing mobile which is to provide a different domain, such as mob. Or m. Ie. http://m.smh.com.au/ http://m.abc.net.au/ Anyone have any thoughts on pros/cons of the two methodologies? Just curious to see if anyone else has implemented the BBC method? Cheers, Sam Dwyer Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Jason Grant BSc, MSc CEO, Flexewebs Ltd. www.flexewebs.com http://www.flexewebs.com ja...@flexewebs.com mailto:ja...@flexewebs.com +44 (0)7748 591 770 Company no.: 5587469 www.flexewebs.com/semantix http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix www.twitter.com/flexewebs http://www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs http://www.linkedin.com/in/flexewebs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Andrew Cunningham Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 Mobile: 0459-806-589 Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au Alt. email: lang.supp...@gmail.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ http://www.openroad.net.au http://www.vicnet.net.au http://www.slv.vic.gov.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** attachment:
RE: [WSG] Mobile urls [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
UNOFFICIAL The UK’s new legislation site has a similar convention although differently named. The base is XML and it is rendered as required. Taking for example Section 1 the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/63-64/12/section/1 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/63-64/12/section/1?view=plain http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/63-64/12/section/1/data.xml Although not applied to this Act, some more recent Acts will also provide an RDF representation if you add /data.rdf One major difference is the raw XML version of UK legislation contains embedded metadata whereas the BBC doesn’t, although it does in RDF. Regards David David Bromage Policy and Strategic Projects Government Information Management Branch National Archives of Australia PO Box 7425 Canberra Business Centre ACT 2610 T (02) 6212 3731 F (02) 6212 3989 M 0418 394 778 david.brom...@naa.gov.au www.naa.gov.au UNOFFICIAL *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Mobile urls
Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for complex script languages is the choice between a textual version and an image version: http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/image/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj/ Since mobile devices are years behind desktops and laptops in text rendering capabilities. Wow, thats insane given the high prices charged for data by some phone companies! ...but yes its probably the only way you can do it for those languages on a lot of devices. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
