[WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Stevio
Interesting thoughts from Vincent Flanders: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html Go to number 3: Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS What do you think? Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Marco van Hylckama Vlieg
Funny. I agree with this article. I even wrote something quite similar a while ago: http://www.i-marco.nl/weblog/archive/2005/04/07/why_xhtml Web standards are great for perfectionists like us. I love them and I'll continue to use them and teach other people how to use them but honestly, they

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Jan Brasna
Go to number 3: Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS What do you think? That he might be particularly right. All of this is not self-salutary, there are many other points that lead to a successful website. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz |

RE: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Peter Firminger
quote There is nothing wrong with any of the above except they're being touted by...guess who?...people who offer web design services specializing in...guess what?...Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS. These are simply tools. Remember, nobody gets excited about the tools used to build a

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Lee Jorgensen
Yep, he probably is right about that , but he's wrong about something else . My home page uses web standards and it's no monument to great design. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webpagesthatsuck.com%2F... Jan Brasna wrote: Go to number 3: Mystical belief in the power of

RE: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Mike Pepper
Original Message From: Stevio Sent: 20 April 2005 14:49 Interesting thoughts from Vincent Flanders: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html Go to number 3: Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS What do you think?

RE: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Peter Firminger
Further more (this rubbish by or about people justifying their inability to do a job right really annoys me). A person developing a website is expected to produce a product that serves HTML or XHTML and through that some other files (images, stylesheets etc.) to a browser. Lets just go with the

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Elly Thompson
quote Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS. These are simply tools. Remember, nobody gets excited about the tools used to build a house (Please tell me what brand of hammers you used!). People get excited about how the house looks and performs. /quote Surely they're not so much tools as

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread designer
There is a vital ingredient in web design which is never mentioned by guys like this : IMAGE. There are many web sites which sell nothing but image - no products, no marketing: just image. Such a site is: http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/Flash.html It suffers from many of the

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:41:34 +0100, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a vital ingredient in web design which is never mentioned by guys like this : IMAGE. There are many web sites which sell nothing but image - no products, no marketing: just image. Such a site is:

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Jan Brasna
I saw the IMAGE Yeah... Image or branding flash site looks IMHO different than this. This looks really quickly put together with no intention and idea. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list

RE: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Mike Pepper
Original Message by Bob McClelland There is a vital ingredient in web design which is never mentioned by guys like this : IMAGE. There are many web sites which sell nothing but image - no products, no marketing: just image. Such a site is:

RE: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Paul Bennett
Yep, he probably is right about that , but he's wrong about something else . My home page uses web standards and it's no monument to great design. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webpagesthatsuck.com%2F... Hah! But theres only *88* errors, so its not that bad ;)

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread Anthony Yeung
An interesting peiceOn 4/20/05, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, he probably is right about that , but he's wrong about something else. My home page uses web standards and it's no monument to great design. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webpagesthatsuck.com%2F...

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread John Horner
There is a vital ingredient in web design which is never mentioned by guys like this : IMAGE. There are many web sites which sell nothing but image The Web Pages That Suck guy sort of covers that, further down the page. He says (in his section on Mystery Meat) that it's OK for certain sites:

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread James Ellis
Hi If you use a rubber hammer, you'll never be able to bang the nails in to build the house in the first place. Of course. having a discussion here doesn't help -- it's preaching to the converted. Stick it in his blog somewhere, he alludes to it but I couldn't find. Stick it somewhere so Google

Re: [WSG] Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS

2005-04-20 Thread heretic
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html What do you think? Well... the piece would would have made sense if his point was you still need to do this, but you need to filter the way you tell the client. Instead, the implication here is that we should stop