Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
On Feb 8, 2006, at 4:11 pm, heretic wrote: Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser extent) that much more shocking ;-) hehehehh ahhh dear, we're the mac users of the browser world aren't we ;) [grabs his fireproof suit] speaking of macs, i wonder if the new mac version of opera will change the stuff that angered joe clark? [http://blog.fawny.org/2005/02/01/opera/] i don't have a mac to try it out. Hmm, if they could clone the interface of Omniweb (they already cloned a couple of features) or Camino, it would become a very nice browser. - granted, they did make some serious progress with Opera 9 (tp1 and tp2) Part of Joe Clark's issues are fixed. But the UI design still feels like poor. The 'looks' are still out of place and Windoze like. That said, to stay on topic, with the latest release, they've made good progress in fixing their rendering bugs. A whole bunch of margin-collapse bugs are fixed, quite a few issues with relative positioning as well. And speed is back, on Mac at least (tp 1 felt more like one of those big heavy duty horses used in the fields rather than Georg's race horse. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
Hi Everyone, I just noticed Opera have opened the Opera Labs page and they now have Opera 9 Preview 2 available for testing. The site has minimal content at the moment (after all it just opened) but there is a short speil on Opera supported web standards and the direction they are heading in: http://labs.opera.com/webstandards/ I think this years browser releases will be very interesting to say the least :) cheers, Justin. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
I just noticed Opera have opened the Opera Labs page and they now have Opera 9 Preview 2 available for testing. The site has minimal content at the moment (after all it just opened) but there is a short speil on Opera supported web standards and the direction they are heading in: http://labs.opera.com/webstandards/ The beta has some really good new features and some changes that a lot of people should be happy to see (eg. matching Firefox nomenclature of tabs/windows). Hopefully the AJAX fraternity will have fun with the widgets. That said, I've noticed that despite Opera's commitment to standards, the standards community really only gets excited about Firefox/Safari (depending on your platform). Beats me why. h -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
heretic wrote: That said, I've noticed that despite Opera's commitment to standards, the standards community really only gets excited about Firefox/Safari (depending on your platform). Beats me why. Me too. :-) Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) (sorry, just couldn't resist) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
On 2/8/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heretic wrote: ... Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser extent) that much more shocking ;-) More seriously, I still use Firefox as my primary browser chiefly because of its great web dev tools. Whenever not working, however, I love to use Opera. Josh ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
On 2/8/06, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heretic wrote: ... Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser extent) that much more shocking ;-) Teens liked Firefox more because Opera had ads. Remember that the firefox demographic is full of people who use Adblock. Sure, Opera doesn't have ads any more, but Firefox already won that battle. It's still the same appeal as Linux and etc. To be honest I use all 3, but it's the extensions in Firefox that put it over the top. As for this year in browser releases, it looks like there is a lot of competition. I think we are finally seeing interesting stuff in new browser versions that we've all been waiting for. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2
Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser extent) that much more shocking ;-) hehehehh ahhh dear, we're the mac users of the browser world aren't we ;) [grabs his fireproof suit] speaking of macs, i wonder if the new mac version of opera will change the stuff that angered joe clark? [http://blog.fawny.org/2005/02/01/opera/] i don't have a mac to try it out. More seriously, I still use Firefox as my primary browser chiefly because of its great web dev tools. Whenever not working, however, I love to use Opera. I have to admit the firefox developer toolbar really is good (despite some really irritating limitations). but the rest of the time, opera all the way. I haven't yet heard whether the new version of Opera is a bit kinder to javascript - the guys at work complained that v7-8 had some particular quirks that really got them off side. They haven't been overly specific but claimed that some were actually bugs, not strict interpretations of standards. h -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
