Re: [WSG] Peoplesoft and standards
Hi Jesse: I think it depends on which Peoplesoft application you're asking about and what version it is. If you want to write to me offlist, I can put you in touch with a colleague at State Farm that does a lot of their web site accessibility testing of Peoplesoft and all the other apps that they run. Where I work at my day job, we did some preliminary testing a couple of years ago (Financials and HR - I'm sorry I don't recall the version numbers), and it didn't go well. ~ Kathleen Anderson Spider Web Woman Designs web: http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/ blog: http://msmvps.com/spiderwebwoman/category/321.aspx - Original Message - From: J Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: [WSG] Peoplesoft and standards Hi, I am not too sure where else to ask about this. I have recently been part of discussions about the Peoplesoft application that we and many Universities use (not my fault) and its adherence to accessibility recommendations, and web standards. Peoplesoft claims to adhere to section 508.. Is this true? Looking at the default framed, JS dependant, table ridden code I don't believe it. Does anyone have any experience with Peoplesoft applications? Thanks, Jesse -- Jesse Rodgers Manager, Web Communications Communications Public Affairs - University of Waterloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 519.888.4567 ext. 3874 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Peoplesoft and standards
Hi there, I am not too sure where else to ask about this. I have recently been part of discussions about the Peoplesoft application that we and many Universities use (not my fault) and its adherence to accessibility recommendations, and web standards. Peoplesoft claims to adhere to section 508.. Is this true? Looking at the default framed, JS dependant, table ridden code I don't believe it. Does anyone have any experience with Peoplesoft applications? We have PeopleSoft portal/financial systems deployed at work and my experience matches yours - they claim section 508 compliance but the *reality* is that they do not produce accessible or standards-compliant output. I can only assume the 508 thing was an automated check since no human would ever give it a pass. The key problem as far as I can tell is that most of the interface is *hard coded*, so clients can't actually fix the problems even if they are committed and willing to spend the resources. To make it worse, most organisations quickly realise that any modifications made will have to be redone every time PS issues a new patch or version increment. The result - orgs will lock down and refuse to make any modifications which are not absolutely required for the system to function. In short, I don't know how PS justifies their claims to accessibility; but they don't meet anything which could be described as good practice. The best thing PS clients can do is ensure that PS are aware that they are not meeting requirements in terms of standards/accessibility. This should be one factor included in decisions about whether to pay for upgrades. Big companies only care when they might lost money. All strictly IMHO, not an official stance of my employer ;) -- --- http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Peoplesoft and standards
Hi, I am not too sure where else to ask about this. I have recently been part of discussions about the Peoplesoft application that we and many Universities use (not my fault) and its adherence to accessibility recommendations, and web standards. Peoplesoft claims to adhere to section 508.. Is this true? Looking at the default framed, JS dependant, table ridden code I don't believe it. Does anyone have any experience with Peoplesoft applications? Thanks, Jesse -- Jesse Rodgers Manager, Web Communications Communications Public Affairs - University of Waterloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 519.888.4567 ext. 3874 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Peoplesoft and standards
Hey, I have never personally used any Peoplesoft applications, but I can say this: A personal friend of mine is a Peoplesoft interface designer devloping web apps and uses dreamweaver as his only application in the development process (with accessibility features not on). I recently discussed some XHTML/CSS stuff and he was interested in using CSS, but said he had no experience of it. He seemed a bit apprehensive about learning to handcode. So I am doubtful that their web apps truly conform to 508 specs. Looking at the default framed, JS dependant, table ridden code I don't believe it. Maybe they pass the automated validator...I wouldn't be surprised if it were just another thing they added to the list of reasons for why you should buy their product. On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:48:15 -0500, J Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am not too sure where else to ask about this. I have recently been part of discussions about the Peoplesoft application that we and many Universities use (not my fault) and its adherence to accessibility recommendations, and web standards. Peoplesoft claims to adhere to section 508.. Is this true? Looking at the default framed, JS dependant, table ridden code I don't believe it. Does anyone have any experience with Peoplesoft applications? Thanks, Jesse -- Jesse Rodgers Manager, Web Communications Communications Public Affairs - University of Waterloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 519.888.4567 ext. 3874 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Get Firefox! Visit - Jalenack.com - My blog! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
