[WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. -Original Message- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:w...@webstandardsgroup.org] Sent: Monday, 16 March 2009 6:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [BULK] WSG Digest Importance: Low * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +1300 Subject: Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? Most websites we build at SilverStripe have IE 6.0 as a minimum, and even then, we're unpatiently anticipating the time when we can drop IE 6. FireFox (2), Safari (3), Chrome (latest) users are more encouraged to keep up to the latest versions, and have more aggressive update mechanisms, so we just use the bracketed versions as minimum. We have not given thought to Netscape for years. The same applies to when we're working on the administration interface of our open source SilverStripe CMS (www.silverstripe.org.) Cheers, Sig. On 15/03/2009, at 8:32 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? Hi all, I was just reading from a book that talked about some code that would not work in Internet Explorer 3.0, but would in Internet Explorer 4.0 and later, and Netscape Navigator 3.0 and later. This brought up a question that I could not find direct and consistent answers while searching the Internet...so, how far back would it be acceptable to design for, when it comes to backwards browser compatibility? I have been told from some sites, that Internet Explorer 5.0/later and Netscape Navigator 4.0/later, as well as Firefox 1.5/later and Opera 6.0/later. Is this correct? -- * From: James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:44:56 + Subject: Blueprint Grids After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print and non-web media and now want to start using them. I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and got a grasp for it. My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4 and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion. So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so, how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5 columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and leave the one? Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost productivity. Thanks -- James Jeffery Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer m: 07964722061 ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Glen Wallis wrote: Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Cheers ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising. www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Glen Wallis Sent: 16 March 2009 08:10 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. -Original Message- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:w...@webstandardsgroup.org] Sent: Monday, 16 March 2009 6:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [BULK] WSG Digest Importance: Low * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +1300 Subject: Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? Most websites we build at SilverStripe have IE 6.0 as a minimum, and even then, we're unpatiently anticipating the time when we can drop IE 6. FireFox (2), Safari (3), Chrome (latest) users are more encouraged to keep up to the latest versions, and have more aggressive update mechanisms, so we just use the bracketed versions as minimum. We have not given thought to Netscape for years. The same applies to when we're working on the administration interface of our open source SilverStripe CMS (www.silverstripe.org.) Cheers, Sig. On 15/03/2009, at 8:32 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? Hi all, I was just reading from a book that talked about some code that would not work in Internet Explorer 3.0, but would in Internet Explorer 4.0 and later, and Netscape Navigator 3.0 and later. This brought up a question that I could not find direct and consistent answers while searching the Internet...so, how far back would it be acceptable to design for, when it comes to backwards browser compatibility? I have been told from some sites, that Internet Explorer 5.0/later and Netscape Navigator 4.0/later, as well as Firefox 1.5/later and Opera 6.0/later. Is this correct? -- * From: James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:44:56 + Subject: Blueprint Grids After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print and non-web media and now want to start using them. I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and got a grasp for it. My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4 and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion. So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so, how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5 columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and leave the one? Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost productivity. Thanks -- James Jeffery Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer m: 07964722061 ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising. www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk and this response is brought to you by BarCampCanberra2™ BarCampCanberra2™ Twice the Fun, Twice the Learning, Twice the Excitement! http://barcamp.org/BarCampCanberra2 Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxaustralia.com.au -- UX Australia Conference Canberra 2009 http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss http://govux.org -- the government user experience forum http://resilientnationaustralia.org Resilient Nation Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Couldn't agree more. Regards, Andrew andrew duck executive director | asia-pacific | quiqcorp.com 155 high street | po box 6363 | christchurch 8011 new zealand p +64 3 341 7692 | f +64 3 341 7693 | m +64 212 934 985 (nz) | e andrew.d...@quiqcorp.com - Original Message - From: kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 5:14:27 PM GMT +07:00 Bangkok, Hanoi, Jakarta Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising. www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Glen Wallis Sent: 16 March 2009 08:10 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. -Original Message- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:w...@webstandardsgroup.org] Sent: Monday, 16 March 2009 6:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [BULK] WSG Digest Importance: Low * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +1300 Subject: Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? Most websites we build at SilverStripe have IE 6.0 as a minimum, and even then, we're unpatiently anticipating the time when we can drop IE 6. FireFox (2), Safari (3), Chrome (latest) users are more encouraged to keep up to the latest versions, and have more aggressive update mechanisms, so we just use the bracketed versions as minimum. We have not given thought to Netscape for years. The same applies to when we're working on the administration interface of our open source SilverStripe CMS (www.silverstripe.org.) Cheers, Sig. On 15/03/2009, at 8:32 PM, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:19:00 -0400 Subject: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? Hi all, I was just reading from a book that talked about some code that would not work in Internet Explorer 3.0, but would in Internet Explorer 4.0 and later, and Netscape Navigator 3.0 and later. This brought up a question that I could not find direct and consistent answers while searching the Internet...so, how far back would it be acceptable to design for, when it comes to backwards browser compatibility? I have been told from some sites, that Internet Explorer 5.0/later and Netscape Navigator 4.0/later, as well as Firefox 1.5/later and Opera 6.0/later. Is this correct? -- * From: James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:44:56 + Subject: Blueprint Grids After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print and non-web media and now want to start using them. I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and got a grasp for it. My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4 and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion. So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so, how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5 columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and leave the one? Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost productivity. Thanks -- James Jeffery Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer m: 07964722061 ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh
RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Boyd Sent: 16 March 2009 10:28 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote: I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising. www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk and this response is brought to you by BarCampCanberra2T BarCampCanberra2T Twice the Fun, Twice the Learning, Twice the Excitement! http://barcamp.org/BarCampCanberra2 Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxaustralia.com.au -- UX Australia Conference Canberra 2009 http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss http://govux.org -- the government user experience forum http://resilientnationaustralia.org Resilient Nation Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Ya, then there's posts like: == From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +1300 Subject: SilverStripe 2.3.0 released. The open source SilverStripe CMS and MVC framework (PHP5) has now had a v2.3.0 release: It brings a significant set of new features, described at: http://www.silverstripe.org/silverstripe -2-3-0-released-1000s-of-improvements/ Cheers, Sigurd Magnusson. == and the millions of silverstripe events being posted. They themselves aren't so bad but it's pretty obvious that either the rules aren't being followed, or they're being pushed. This is a standards mailing list, not a hey check out open source project X mailing list. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote: Glen Wallis wrote: Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Cheers ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Agreed, I thought this was the WSG, I didn't sign up for CMS ads and updates thanks. Bruce bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Peter Dolkens To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest Ya, then there's posts like: == From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +1300 Subject: SilverStripe 2.3.0 released. The open source SilverStripe CMS and MVC framework (PHP5) has now had a v2.3.0 release: It brings a significant set of new features, described at: http://www.silverstripe.org/silverstripe-2-3-0-released-1000s-of-improvements/ Cheers, Sigurd Magnusson. == and the millions of silverstripe events being posted. They themselves aren't so bad but it's pretty obvious that either the rules aren't being followed, or they're being pushed. This is a standards mailing list, not a hey check out open source project X mailing list. On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote: Glen Wallis wrote: Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Cheers ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Agreed...it's good to know about new products. It takes one second to delete the product. I'll be everyone wastes significantly more time than that every day... Rick -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mark Harris Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest Glen Wallis wrote: Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Cheers ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.278 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/15/09 14:07:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
Whatever the arguments may be pro or con the original post, once again the petty whining about it has wasted considerably more of my time, and tried my patience infinitely more than that original post. Um, doesn't this group have moderators? Moderators who have repeatedly shown themselves to be models of tact and good judgement? If you don't like a post - delete it and get on with your life. Thank you. Andrew Maben www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. P.S. Personally I feel the fact that someone is making an open source standards-compliant CMS is to be applauded. Very obviously YMMV. On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Agreed...it's good to know about new products. It takes one second to delete the product. I'll be everyone wastes significantly more time than that every day... Rick -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mark Harris Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest Glen Wallis wrote: Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against this? If so, they are not being enforced. I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad. Cheers ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.278 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/15/09 14:07:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED! Enough! This discussion has gone on far too long. Please get back to discussing relevant topics! As the guidelines state: Do not post problems or complaints to the list. Instead, email Peter and Russ off-list (memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org) Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***