[WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Glen Wallis
Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against
this? If so, they are not being enforced.

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From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +1300
Subject: Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back?

Most websites we build at SilverStripe have IE 6.0 as a minimum, and  
even then, we're unpatiently anticipating the time when we can drop IE  
6.

FireFox (2), Safari (3), Chrome (latest) users are more encouraged to  
keep up to the latest versions, and have more aggressive update  
mechanisms, so we just use the bracketed versions as minimum.

We have not given thought to Netscape for years.

The same applies to when we're working on the administration interface  
of our open source SilverStripe CMS (www.silverstripe.org.)

Cheers,
Sig.


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 From: Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:19:00 -0400
 Subject: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back?

 Hi all,

 I was just reading from a book that talked about some code that  
 would not
 work in Internet Explorer 3.0, but would in Internet Explorer 4.0  
 and later,
 and Netscape Navigator 3.0 and later. This brought up a question  
 that I
 could not find direct and consistent answers while searching the
 Internet...so, how far back would it be acceptable to design for,  
 when it
 comes to backwards browser compatibility? I have been told from some  
 sites,
 that Internet Explorer 5.0/later and Netscape Navigator 4.0/later,  
 as well
 as Firefox 1.5/later and Opera 6.0/later. Is this correct?

 --

*
From: James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:44:56 +
Subject: Blueprint  Grids

After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a
replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so
called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print
and non-web media and now want to start using them.

I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and
got a grasp for it.

My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4
and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion.
So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use
more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so,
how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5
columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns
for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and
leave the one?

Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by
this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost
productivity.

Thanks

-- 
James Jeffery
Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer
m: 07964722061


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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Mark Harris

Glen Wallis wrote:

Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against
this? If so, they are not being enforced.



I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone 
on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is 
prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I 
don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous 
Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do 
think you're over-reacting just a tad.


Cheers

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RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread kieren
I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising.

www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Glen Wallis
Sent: 16 March 2009 08:10
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against
this? If so, they are not being enforced.

-Original Message-
From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:w...@webstandardsgroup.org]
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2009 6:42 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +1300
Subject: Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back?

Most websites we build at SilverStripe have IE 6.0 as a minimum, and even
then, we're unpatiently anticipating the time when we can drop IE 6.

FireFox (2), Safari (3), Chrome (latest) users are more encouraged to keep
up to the latest versions, and have more aggressive update mechanisms, so we
just use the bracketed versions as minimum.

We have not given thought to Netscape for years.

The same applies to when we're working on the administration interface of
our open source SilverStripe CMS (www.silverstripe.org.)

Cheers,
Sig.


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 From: Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:19:00 -0400
 Subject: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back?

 Hi all,

 I was just reading from a book that talked about some code that would 
 not work in Internet Explorer 3.0, but would in Internet Explorer 4.0 
 and later, and Netscape Navigator 3.0 and later. This brought up a 
 question that I could not find direct and consistent answers while 
 searching the Internet...so, how far back would it be acceptable to 
 design for, when it comes to backwards browser compatibility? I have 
 been told from some sites, that Internet Explorer 5.0/later and 
 Netscape Navigator 4.0/later, as well as Firefox 1.5/later and Opera 
 6.0/later. Is this correct?

 --

*
From: James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:44:56 +
Subject: Blueprint  Grids

After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a
replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so
called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print
and non-web media and now want to start using them.

I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and
got a grasp for it.

My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4
and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion.
So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use
more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so,
how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5
columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns
for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and
leave the one?

Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by
this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost
productivity.

Thanks

--
James Jeffery
Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer
m: 07964722061


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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Andrew Boyd
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote:

 I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising.

 www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk


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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Andrew Duck
Couldn't agree more. 

Regards, 
Andrew 


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- Original Message - 
From: kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Sent: Monday, 16 March, 2009 5:14:27 PM GMT +07:00 Bangkok, Hanoi, Jakarta 
Subject: RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest 

I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising. 

www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk 


-Original Message- 
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Glen Wallis 
Sent: 16 March 2009 08:10 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Subject: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest 

Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant 
advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules against 
this? If so, they are not being enforced. 

-Original Message- 
From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:w...@webstandardsgroup.org] 
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2009 6:42 PM 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Subject: [BULK] WSG Digest 
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From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com 
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:10:09 +1300 
Subject: Re: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? 

Most websites we build at SilverStripe have IE 6.0 as a minimum, and even 
then, we're unpatiently anticipating the time when we can drop IE 6. 

FireFox (2), Safari (3), Chrome (latest) users are more encouraged to keep 
up to the latest versions, and have more aggressive update mechanisms, so we 
just use the bracketed versions as minimum. 

We have not given thought to Netscape for years. 

The same applies to when we're working on the administration interface of 
our open source SilverStripe CMS (www.silverstripe.org.) 

Cheers, 
Sig. 


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 From: Brett Patterson inspiron.patters...@gmail.com 
 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:19:00 -0400 
 Subject: Browser Backwards Compatibility -- How far back? 
 
 Hi all, 
 
 I was just reading from a book that talked about some code that would 
 not work in Internet Explorer 3.0, but would in Internet Explorer 4.0 
 and later, and Netscape Navigator 3.0 and later. This brought up a 
 question that I could not find direct and consistent answers while 
 searching the Internet...so, how far back would it be acceptable to 
 design for, when it comes to backwards browser compatibility? I have 
 been told from some sites, that Internet Explorer 5.0/later and 
 Netscape Navigator 4.0/later, as well as Firefox 1.5/later and Opera 
 6.0/later. Is this correct? 
 
 -- 

* 
From: James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com 
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:44:56 + 
Subject: Blueprint  Grids 

After reading 'Transcending CSS' I have learnt that grids are not a 
replacement for table based layouts (as has been drummed into me by so 
called evangelists on IRC). I understand the importance of grids in print 
and non-web media and now want to start using them. 

I've started using Blueprint. I quickily scrolled through the CSS file and 
got a grasp for it. 

My problem is this. In the book I am seeing examples where they are using 4 
and 5 columns. I have developed a layout, which uses the divine proportion. 
So far I have the container, and 2 divs. Now, within these grids do I use 
more columns to go with the layout and structure of the design? And if so, 
how can I overlap? For example, in the main-content area I might have 5 
columns, now lets say using Blueprint and my own CSS I want to use 4 columns 
for the content and 1 for meta date per article. How do I use all 4 and 
leave the one? 

Sounds like a silly, vaugue, question ... I know. But I'm a little taken by 
this and am eager to learn because I feel this is going to greatly boost 
productivity. 

Thanks 

-- 
James Jeffery 
Web Developer and iPhone Applications Developer 
m: 07964722061 


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RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Simon
 

 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Boyd
Sent: 16 March 2009 10:28
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:14 PM, kie...@humdingerdesigns.co.uk wrote:

I agree with this bloke - it's starting to look like blatant advertising.

www.humdingerdesigns.co.uk

 


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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Peter Dolkens
Ya, then there's posts like:

==
From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +1300
Subject: SilverStripe 2.3.0 released.

The open source SilverStripe CMS and MVC framework (PHP5) has now had
a v2.3.0 release:

It brings a significant set of new features, described at:
http://www.silverstripe.org/silverstripe
-2-3-0-released-1000s-of-improvements/

Cheers,

Sigurd Magnusson.
==

and the millions of silverstripe events being posted. They themselves aren't
so bad
but it's pretty obvious that either the rules aren't being followed, or
they're being pushed.

This is a standards mailing list, not a hey check out open source project
X mailing list.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote:

 Glen Wallis wrote:

 Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
 advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules
 against
 this? If so, they are not being enforced.


 I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on
 this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented
 from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think
 Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver,
 Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're
 over-reacting just a tad.

 Cheers

 ~mark



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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Bruce
Agreed, I thought this was the WSG, I didn't sign up for CMS ads and updates 
thanks.

Bruce
bkdesign solutions

  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter Dolkens 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest


  Ya, then there's posts like:

  ==
  From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com
  Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +1300
  Subject: SilverStripe 2.3.0 released.

  The open source SilverStripe CMS and MVC framework (PHP5) has now had
  a v2.3.0 release:

  It brings a significant set of new features, described at:
  http://www.silverstripe.org/silverstripe-2-3-0-released-1000s-of-improvements/

  Cheers,

  Sigurd Magnusson.
  ==

  and the millions of silverstripe events being posted. They themselves aren't 
so bad
  but it's pretty obvious that either the rules aren't being followed, or 
they're being pushed.

  This is a standards mailing list, not a hey check out open source project X 
mailing list.


  On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote:

Glen Wallis wrote:

  Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
  advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules 
against
  this? If so, they are not being enforced.




I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on 
this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from 
speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's 
posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal 
or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad.

Cheers

~mark



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RE: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Rick Faircloth
 I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone
 on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is
 prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I
 don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous
 Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do
 think you're over-reacting just a tad.

Agreed...it's good to know about new products.  It takes
one second to delete the product.  I'll be everyone wastes
significantly more time than that every day...

Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
 On Behalf Of Mark Harris
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:52 AM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest
 
 Glen Wallis wrote:
  Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and
 blatant
  advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules
 against
  this? If so, they are not being enforced.
 
 
 I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone
 on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is
 prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I
 don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the numerous
 Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do
 think you're over-reacting just a tad.
 
 Cheers
 
 ~mark
 
 
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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Andrew Maben
Whatever the arguments may be pro or con the original post, once  
again the petty whining about it has wasted considerably more of my  
time, and tried my patience infinitely more than that original post.


Um, doesn't this group have moderators? Moderators who have  
repeatedly shown themselves to be models of tact and good judgement?


If you don't like a post - delete it and get on with your life. Thank  
you.


Andrew Maben

www.andrewmaben.net
and...@andrewmaben.com

In a well designed user interface, the user should not need  
instructions.


P.S. Personally I feel the fact that someone is making an open source  
standards-compliant CMS is to be applauded. Very obviously YMMV.



On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If  
everyone

on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is
prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of  
content. I
don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the  
numerous

Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do
think you're over-reacting just a tad.


Agreed...it's good to know about new products.  It takes
one second to delete the product.  I'll be everyone wastes
significantly more time than that every day...

Rick


-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org  
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]

On Behalf Of Mark Harris
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:52 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

Glen Wallis wrote:

Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and

blatant

advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules

against

this? If so, they are not being enforced.



I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If  
everyone

on this list with a commercial or open source product or service is
prevented from speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of  
content. I
don't think Sigurd's posts are over the top, any more than the  
numerous

Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do
think you're over-reacting just a tad.

Cheers

~mark


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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest - ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2009-03-16 Thread Russ Weakley
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED!

Enough! This discussion has gone on far too long.
Please get back to discussing relevant topics!

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