Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
Hello Chris;
At 04:28 AM 12/3/2003 +1100, you wrote:
I have
noticed that the scrollbar colouring is not a standard piece of CSS
material
For example:
Body
{
background-color: #EE;
scrollbar-base-color: #808080;
scrollbar-arrow-color: #808080;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color: #008000;
scrollbar-face-color: #808080;
scrollbar-highlight-color: #FF;
scrollbar-shadow-color: #FF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color: #808080;
}
That is claimed to be correct CSS, and it
works in Internet Explorer but when you use the W3C CSS Validator,
it comes up saying that the scrollbar-base-color etc are not
functions. I don t know why its not real CSS because it seems to work, I
am curious if it works in other browsers other that IE, I cannot test
that s why I am posting this here
It is only valid in Internet Explorer and is a proprietary use of CSS and
afaik never even be considered to be included into css, as it's not
really about how the page itself displays, but rather dabbling with the
values of the user defined browser settings.
I would not use them, as the code, as you know already can't validate,
and secondly it's for IE only.
HTH
~Veine
Veine K Vikberg
http://www.vikberg.net
Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
. . .it works in Internet Explorer. That's because scrollbar coloring is Microsoft proprietary CSS.Furthermore, it is not defined orendorsed by the W3C. (http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/scrollbars.html) Neil ChristensenWeb CoordinatorSalt Lake City School District WEBSITE: http://www.slc.k12.ut.us
RE: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
Hi Chris,
I think the first thing is that it's an annoyance to some
(read: me). Whenever I look at http://virginblue.com.au/ I groan and think
that some little kid had a field day with Frontpage. (Hopefully the author isn't
on the list. Sorry if you are.) Let the system do the chrome elements. This is a
personal opinion only, but I think it looks like an amateur trick and resides in
the same basket as auto-play midi files (those sea-shanties... YUK) and animated
flags.
More
importantly,it doesn't validate. This alone puts it out of ourcode
practice.
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://virginblue.com.au/CSS/virginblue.csswarning=1profile="">
I
recommend against it.
I
wouldn't have written just to say that, so the real message is: Is everyone else
getting everything twice or is it just me? (please answer to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Regards,
Peter
(Listdad)
From: Chris Stratford
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003
4:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG]
Scrollbar Colouring...
I have noticed that the
scrollbar colouring is not a standard piece of CSS material
For example:
Body
{
background-color:
#EE;
scrollbar-base-color:
#808080;
scrollbar-arrow-color:
#808080;
scrollbar-darkshadow-color:
#008000;
scrollbar-face-color:
#808080;
scrollbar-highlight-color:
#FF;
scrollbar-shadow-color:
#FF;
scrollbar-3dlight-color:
#808080;
}
That is claimed to be correct
CSS, and it works in Internet Explorer
but when you use the W3C CSS Validator, it comes up saying that
the scrollbar-base-color etc are not functions. I dont know why its not real
CSS because it seems to work, I am curious if it works in other browsers other
that IE, I cannot test thats why I am posting this here
Sorry again this is my
2nd email I apologise if its majorly newbified
Just wondering what the others
think
I am currently remodelling my
website, and as such I am going to make sure it adheres to HTML 4.01 and CSS
standards.
So I need some advice, whether I
should use the scroll-bar colouring technique or not.
Thanks people!
Chris
Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neester.com
Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
I think it's a shame it isn't part of the CSS specification, how about when using overflow: auto; ? The scrollbar can be in the middle of the page and will be the only element that isn't styleable.. which kinda ..ucks.. :-) To my opinion every element appearing inside the page should be styleable by CSS. Greetings, Rob Halff It is only valid in Internet Explorer and is a proprietary use of CSS and afaik never even be considered to be included into css, as it's not really about how the page itself displays, but rather dabbling with the values of the user defined browser settings. I would not use them, as the code, as you know already can't validate, and secondly it's for IE only. HTH ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
Hi Scrollbars are browser widgets, not the viewport - this is why valid CSS2 doesn't include the MS only values you mention. Scrollbars are set by the OS - they should remain consistent with the other programs a user is using to ensure a consistent experience. For instance setting a scrollbar colour on Safari users may produce some strange results as we would be departing from the default Aqua interface. Letting the user choose - i.e the skinnability of XP, Mozilla and Opera is a better router to follow. The CSS3 user interface makes some good reading (and who doesn't like reading w3c documents??) on stuff coming up - including selectors. Cheers James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Scrollbar Colouring...
Hey Chris As people have mentioned scroll bar colouring is not part of the W3C spec yadda, yadda.. My 2c, personally I don't like changing scroll bar colours and other aspects of the user's environment, but for certain clients we will do it. It doesn't have any detrimental effect in other browsers so it really comes down to the target audience and the job in question. The background for *why* this isn't in the spec goes something like this: 1) CSS is designed for controlling the presentation of a document not of the browser. The scroll bars are browser widgets (like drop boxes), title bars and menu items. They are not part of the document itself. But what about overflow:auto? Its a fine line but that's where they drew it, text inputs are part of the document, but drop boxes (select) are kinda half part of the document and half part of the browser or OS. I believe that leaving the Browser/OS environment untouched is a good thing about 99% of the time. Some users tend to get confused when you do something as simple as change the scroll bar colours - the logical link between what they are seeing and what they are able to do is suddenly lost on them. 2) Who said anything about scroll bars? Assuming that scroll bars actually exist in your users environment is kind of against the whole concept of CSS and web standards. There are numerous user agents that don't have scroll bars and I think there are likely to be more in the future. Screen readers, some text only browsers and futuristic 3D browsing applications with matrix like widgets all come to mind. Anyway... go for it if you like but you won't sneak past the validator. Could you perhaps do this in JavaScript (Lindsay?). I think JS is probably a better place for messing with the browser than CSS. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
