[WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Chris Lamberson
I suppose I have always very much disliked server-side includes, for no reason I can immediately think up, they just seem like bad form. But if I really think about it, it doesn't matter what goes on as long as it gets to the client in a standards-compliant, semantically correct form. A business

RE: [WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Paul Bennett
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Server-side includes? I suppose I have always very much disliked server-side includes, for no reason I can immediately think up, they just seem like bad form. But if I really think about it, it doesn't matter what goes on as long as it gets

Re: [WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Terrence Wood
Chris Lamberson said: it doesn't matter what goes on as long as it gets to the client in a standards-compliant, semantically correct form. Correct. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Server-side includes?

2005-12-18 Thread Andy Kirkwood, Motive
Hi Paul, My question is: are server-side includes good, bad, or neither in the eyes of standards and semantics? Neither. There's no connection between the use of SSI and semantics or standards. SSI enables elements of a page to be modularised (note that there are specific SSI commands for

[WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread QM Consulting Ltd
Are there any standards issues around using server side includes?For example a simple include of another file e.g. -- #include file="test.html" -- Does it matter that this is making use of code within comments (without wishing to start the debate about IE conditional code in comments

Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
QM Consulting Ltd wrote: Are there any standards issues around using server side includes? For example a simple include of another file e.g. -- #include file=test.html -- Does it matter that this is making use of code within comments (without wishing to start the debate about IE conditional

Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread standards
Richard, I use SSI's for my navigation, and I've never had any problems with validation, or structure. Kind regards, Mario Are there any standards issues around using server side includes? For example a simple include of another file e.g. -- #include file=test.html -- Does it matter

Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Samuel Richardson
It's not seen by the browser at all, unless SSI's are turned off or they are not being processed by the web server. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, I use SSI's for my navigation, and I've never had any problems with validation, or structure. Kind regards, Mario Are there any

RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Bennett
, November 09, 2005 1:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes Richard, I use SSI's for my navigation, and I've never had any problems with validation, or structure. Kind regards, Mario Are there any standards issues around using server side

RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread standards
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes Richard, I use SSI's for my navigation, and I've never had any problems with validation, or structure

RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Peter Williams
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't entirely agree that the SSI is irrelevant to standards. I use XHTML Strict, and if my markup in the SSI file contains a deprecated property then it won't validate. I don't think anyone is arguing that the content of the include is irrelevant, the original

RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Bennett
I use XHTML Strict, and if my markup in the SSI file contains a deprecated property then it won't validate. This is an issue with the *code in the include* NOT with server side includes. This list is about standards-compliant code - SSI has no bearing on whether a site is or isn't standards

RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Paul Menard
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes Richard, I use SSI's for my navigation, and I've never had any problems with validation, or structure. Kind regards, Mario

Re: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Paul Menard wrote: You might actually be a little confused. This is a comment !-- Something in here -- Note the '!'. In the code for a SSI, there is not '!'. In other words. This is not a comment. -- #include file=test.html -- Good grief -- where did you get that idea? Your example

RE: [WSG] Server Side Includes

2005-11-08 Thread standards
I wasn't arguing either. I was simply pointing out that the code still needs to be valid, well-formed and semantically correct. I teach a class at the local college and you'd be amazed at the number of students taking web-based courses with mimimal computer experience therefore I wouldn't