Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Justin French
Leo, On 01/04/2004, at 1:49 PM, Leo J. O'Campo wrote: To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have JavaScript enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is about providing access to the content for the widest possible number of users, regardless of how they're accessin

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Justin To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have JavaScript enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is about providing access to the content for the widest possible number of users, regardless of how they're accessing it. Hmm.. well Justin your missing my point. I

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Justin French
On 01/04/2004, at 11:24 AM, Leo J. O'Campo wrote: Unless there is a reason I am not thinking of, I'd think people who want accessibility would keep javascript enabled. To say that anyone concerned with accessibility should have JavaScript enabled **utterly misses the point**. Accessibility is a

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Patrick First PLEASE do not display my email address to the open list. Thank you. *cough* accessibility *cough* Unless there is a reason I am not thinking of, I'd think people who want accessibility would keep javascript enabled. Also don't forget that in some instances the specific setup/ca

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread P.H.Lauke
> From: Leo J. O'Campo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] > A good point... but if someone elects to turn off javascript they do it > at their own disadvantage. *cough* accessibility *cough* Also don't forget that in some instances the specific setup/capabilities of machines is not up to the indiv

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
P A good point... but if someone elects to turn off javascript they do it at their own disadvantage. Leo On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:19 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote: And seeing most people use IE, you might as well use javascript. Whether or not people use IE has nothing to do with whether or no

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
P Your right... I blew that one in the details. Leo On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:14 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote: but that doesn't solve the original problem as far as I understood it. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See h

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Nick I stand corrected... As I am a Mac user, where things are made to standards, I often forget that MSIE doesn't no how to render standards. ;-) ...just kidding. But we as a developer web standards community should proactively boycott MSIE. Leo On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 09:07 PM, N

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread Vaska . WSG
Thanks all, I guess the many explanations explain just why I've never done it with pure CSS before. I'll go back to my javascript and have a coke and a smile. ;) On 31 Mar 2004, at 07:28, scott parsons wrote: Well it depends upon the exact behaviour desired, and the browsers you want to sup

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread scott parsons
Well it depends upon the exact behaviour desired, and the browsers you want to support, but something like this can be done with the :focus, :target or for win/ie the broken model of :active I wouldn't necessarily suggest that any of these methods are perfect, and would reccommend javascript b

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
> And seeing most people use IE, you might as well use javascript. Whether or not people use IE has nothing to do with whether or not they have javascript enabled or not. Available, yes...but not necessarily enabled. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster Universit

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
02:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things) Patrick It can be done in CSS by toggling the display visibility with the a:hover an

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread Nick Cowie
Leo wrote: > It can be done in CSS by toggling the display visibility with the > a:hover and positioning. Except is does not work in that browser. (you know the one I mean Internet Exploder ) There are a number of tricks you can do with hover and CSS for people using CSS2 compliant browsers ha

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Patrick It can be done in CSS by toggling the display visibility with the a:hover and positioning. Leo On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 04:41 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote: What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the p

Re: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread Bill McAvinney
What you describe can only be achieved with javascript Š However, you can "show/hide" text (and in some browsers images) using hover as shown here: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html and here: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html This isn't what you asked for,

[WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the page needs to keep track of which link has been pressed, for instance...something that CSS is not meant for... Patrick Patrick H. Lau