RE: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links
Here are a few more skip link references: http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/navigation#skiplinks Laura ___ Laura L. Carlson Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota Duluth Duluth, MN 55812-3009 http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/webdesign * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links
Hi, some reading about skip links by Joe Clark, he specifies you should make them visible. Although for a commercial site it would be hard to push this idea, http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html#h4-2020 And if you browse this interview with him on digital web to the heading labelled Technique. http://www.digital-web.com/interviews/interview_2003-10.shtml I have seen some sites with a link to an accessibility page in the footer bar, like along side the legality link. But I can't remember where sorry. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan R. Grossman Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2004 5:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links I tend to use top navigation with 2 or 3 column content (and the left content div usually containing specifc info with further links) for most of the layouts of my pages, since this is what so many clients want. Generally speaking (with various exceptions and diferences) reader display of most of these show: How does the list feel about putting in generalized (not hidden) skip links as an initial div before the header of all page except the home page to allow readers to skip to the content div? One design issue is that the header is no longer at 0, which doesn't bother me - but I don't know how others feel about that either. Or would it be better to build the skip link as part of the top/logo div using "hidden"? Guess I chould add the caveat that I do a lot of "charity" (I hate that word) work for small non-profits often disability related Also, either techniqu aside, are peope also adding in a link to an accesibility information page? Are people setting up pages now to explain what tab indexes have been used throughout the site (consitantly of course), etc? I have one set up for the latest donation site, but I don't know if that's going to far? One last thing - what is the feeling on adding accesskey info on title or alt tags? Or in long description tags for those it works for? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on these. Susan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links
Hi Susan There's been a lot of talk here about skip links, recently I tried to use some of the information in a live beta of the new Sydney PHP Group site (http://sydney.ug.php.net). Basically I went for skip links that would be useful to all visitors I have tho' been looking at aural stylesheets... http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/aural.html#speaking-props ...and am wondering whether this could be incorporated with the general idea of hiding skip links for visual users but making them readable to non-visual users: (e.g using visibility : hidden, as display :none causes the box to not be generated.) According to the above link, "speak" defaults to normal. The other idea I had was to set the #skip to display : none in screen stylesheets and then set it to be rendered in an aural stylesheet. I'm not sure if this will work, straight off the top of my head. How well supported are aural stylesheets? There are some things that might occur with search engine listings: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=skip+to+content (altho who is going to search for "skip to content"?) Cheers James Susan R. Grossman wrote: I tend to use top navigation with 2 or 3 column content (and the left content div usually containing specifc info with further links) for most of the layouts of my pages, since this is what so many clients want. Generally speaking (with various exceptions and diferences) reader display of most of these show: How does the list feel about putting in generalized (not hidden) skip links as an initial div before the header of all page except the home page to allow readers to skip to the content div? One design issue is that the header is no longer at 0, which doesn't bother me - but I don't know how others feel about that either. Or would it be better to build the skip link as part of the top/logo div using "hidden"? Guess I chould add the caveat that I do a lot of "charity" (I hate that word) work for small non-profits often disability related Also, either techniqu aside, are peope also adding in a link to an accesibility information page? Are people setting up pages now to explain what tab indexes have been used throughout the site (consitantly of course), etc? I have one set up for the latest donation site, but I don't know if that's going to far? One last thing - what is the feeling on adding accesskey info on title or alt tags? Or in long description tags for those it works for? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on these. Susan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links
I tend to use top navigation with 2 or 3 column content (and the left content div usually containing specifc info with further links) for most of the layouts of my pages, since this is what so many clients want. Generally speaking (with various exceptions and diferences) reader display of most of these show: How does the list feel about putting in generalized (not hidden) skip links as an initial div before the header of all page except the home page to allow readers to skip to the content div? One design issue is that the header is no longer at 0, which doesn't bother me - but I don't know how others feel about that either. Or would it be better to build the skip link as part of the top/logo div using "hidden"? Guess I chould add the caveat that I do a lot of "charity" (I hate that word) work for small non-profits often disability related Also, either techniqu aside, are peope also adding in a link to an accesibility information page? Are people setting up pages now to explain what tab indexes have been used throughout the site (consitantly of course), etc? I have one set up for the latest donation site, but I don't know if that's going to far? One last thing - what is the feeling on adding accesskey info on title or alt tags? Or in long description tags for those it works for? Thanks in advance for any thoughts on these. Susan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
