[WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links

2004-03-27 Thread Susan R. Grossman
I tend to use top navigation with 2 or 3 column content (and the left
content div usually containing specifc info with further links)  for
most of the layouts of my pages, since this is what so many clients
want.

Generally speaking (with various exceptions and diferences)  reader
display of most of these show:

top div with logo or graphic
horizontal nav div that will show as a vetical list
left column div with additional spotlight info and links (often dups of
info within navs or content but with by-lines
right or center div (depending on 2 or 3 column layout) with page
content
far right div column if 3 column layout
footer div

How does the list feel about putting in generalized (not hidden) skip
links as an initial div before the header of all page except the home
page to allow readers to skip to the content div?  One design issue is
that the header is no longer at 0, which doesn't bother me - but I don't
know how others feel about that either.  Or would it be better to build
the skip link as part of the top/logo div using hidden?

Guess I chould add the caveat that I do a lot of charity (I hate that
word) work for small non-profits often disability related

Also,  either techniqu aside,  are peope also adding in a link to an
accesibility information page?  Are people setting up pages now to
explain what tab indexes have been used throughout the site (consitantly
of course), etc?   I have one set up for the latest donation site, but I
don't know if that's going to far?

One last thing - what is the feeling on adding accesskey info on title
or alt tags?  Or in long description tags for those it works for?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on these.

Susan

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Re: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links

2004-03-27 Thread James Ellis
Hi Susan

There's been a lot of talk here about skip links, recently I tried to 
use some of the information in a live beta of the new Sydney PHP Group 
site (http://sydney.ug.php.net).
Basically I went for skip links that would be useful to all visitors

I have tho' been looking at aural stylesheets...
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/aural.html#speaking-props
...and am wondering whether this could be incorporated with the general 
idea of hiding skip links for visual users but making them readable to 
non-visual users:
(e.g using visibility : hidden, as display  :none causes the box to not 
be generated.) According to the above link, speak defaults to normal.

The other idea I had was to set the #skip to display : none in screen 
stylesheets and then set it to be rendered in an aural stylesheet. I'm 
not sure if this will work, straight off the top of my head. How well 
supported are aural stylesheets?

There are some things that might occur with search engine listings:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclientie=utf-8oe=utf-8q=skip+to+content
(altho who is going to search for skip to content?)
Cheers
James
Susan R. Grossman wrote:

I tend to use top navigation with 2 or 3 column content (and the left
content div usually containing specifc info with further links)  for
most of the layouts of my pages, since this is what so many clients
want.
Generally speaking (with various exceptions and diferences)  reader
display of most of these show:
top div with logo or graphic
horizontal nav div that will show as a vetical list
left column div with additional spotlight info and links (often dups of
info within navs or content but with by-lines
right or center div (depending on 2 or 3 column layout) with page
content
far right div column if 3 column layout
footer div
How does the list feel about putting in generalized (not hidden) skip
links as an initial div before the header of all page except the home
page to allow readers to skip to the content div?  One design issue is
that the header is no longer at 0, which doesn't bother me - but I don't
know how others feel about that either.  Or would it be better to build
the skip link as part of the top/logo div using hidden?
Guess I chould add the caveat that I do a lot of charity (I hate that
word) work for small non-profits often disability related
Also,  either techniqu aside,  are peope also adding in a link to an
accesibility information page?  Are people setting up pages now to
explain what tab indexes have been used throughout the site (consitantly
of course), etc?   I have one set up for the latest donation site, but I
don't know if that's going to far?
One last thing - what is the feeling on adding accesskey info on title
or alt tags?  Or in long description tags for those it works for?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts on these.

Susan

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