Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread Joe Ortenzi
then you need to be aware at build time that when javascript off, and nested navigation is therefore expanded in order to provide equal access to features for people without dependence to javascript, the design needs to allow for this. having the nav overlap content is pretty unnecessary

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread James Jeffery
Check my examples i posted and my recent posts, they show what i mean. I think in the case of this design it can work fine without the dropdown menu. On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: then you need to be aware at build time that when javascript off, and

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread Darren West
Joe said: then you need to be aware at build time that when javascript off, and nested navigation is therefore expanded in order to provide equal access to features for people without dependence to javascript, the design needs to allow for this. Yes, the equality should be inherent. At

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread Darren West
Of James Jeffery Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the best approach for cross-browser (but not A grade) dropdowns

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread James Jeffery
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the best approach for cross-browser (but not A grade) dropdowns. The website i am working on is a youth centre's

[WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread James Jeffery
Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the best approach for cross-browser (but not A grade) dropdowns. The website i am working on is a youth centre's. The target audience is the community, which can be young or very old. The very old may be

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread James Jeffery
No i havn't herd of prog. enhancement. See you do learn something new everyday. Thanks. On 6/6/08, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Have you heard of progressive enhancement? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Enhancement I would link all the 'nav' items to root

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Darren West
James, Have you heard of progressive enhancement? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Enhancement I would link all the 'nav' items to root pages that include the sub links so if JS is unavailable a usable experience is provided for all, then if JS is available, enhance the experience by

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Rachel Radford
Sent: Fri 06/06/2008 10:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the best approach for cross-browser (but not A grade) dropdowns. The website i am working

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Ortenzi
step). Rach :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Jeffery Sent: Fri 06/06/2008 10:48 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Darren West
Joe said: Therefore if javascript is off, any descended subnav should display in it's expanded state. I agree with this pattern for some scenerios, for example with tabbed panels, but (depending on the design) surely with drop down navigation it would cause usability issues with the expanded

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this.   I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread James Jeffery
CSS'ers On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread James Jeffery
] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the best approach for cross-browser (but not A grade) dropdowns. The website i am working on is a youth centre's. The target audience is the community, which can

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread James Jeffery
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript Maybe i am being a little bit picky with this. I have a suckerfish dropdown, as i feel it is the best approach for cross-browser (but not A grade) dropdowns. The website i am working on is a youth centre's. The target

RE: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript With the pure CSS version, and using Javascript to take care of IE 5, you can ensure